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| Jeanna | Jul 28 2009, 06:23 PM Post #526 |
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I said SIT IN THAT CHAIR
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Right there with ya, babe. (I've been thinking about S3 BG in regards to this for some time now.) |
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| cagey | Jul 28 2009, 07:32 PM Post #527 |
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G3 Curtain and Duvet!
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I could go for that argument, sure, if you insist on being all glass half full on me.
Interesting that - especially in light of your comment about Olivia saying she feels alone and Phillip saying she is part of the community. Their relationship is such an open secret in the community but seems so much more hidden away by the two of them.
Gonna stick my neck out here to say that I read in that coming out a profound sadness and resignation. They fell in love; it was the best thing that ever happened to her. But when Ava says, "go get her", Olivia responds that Natalia doesn't want to be found. So, I am not sure there was a need for tension/anxiety over telling Ava, because what she is telling her may be completely something now past tense. Not uber-confident, just beyond being able to worry anyway. Which may be what you are driving at ek? To kiss or not to kiss? Indoors or out? Outdoors would be lovely and it would blow my mind if it happened. I can see mad public hugging but the kissing, if it happens, is going to be inside. I would think the panic at the end of S3 would have been much much higher - after all Helen and Nikki knew what kind of relationship they were destined to have. I feel like I've been so jerked around by the soap process of endless speculation and fantasy projection onto what remain a couple of women who do not know clearly what they want to be as a couple that I won't be offended if it does not end with a specifically subtextually sexual smooch. |
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| Jeanna | Jul 28 2009, 07:59 PM Post #528 |
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I said SIT IN THAT CHAIR
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Cagey, I have to thank you for this one. I read it to my friend Barbara this morning on the phone and it started us off all giggles into a great conversation and discussion. <G> Yeh, I think 'Jeffrey' in his guise as soap actor boy must've spent a few wks. in the Keys. <G> (I'd cast him as a gay Satan with the beard.) |
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| solitasolano | Jul 28 2009, 08:01 PM Post #529 |
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Inferior radio mike. Compresses the vocal from the get go. The normal miking for the show is a directional mike on a boom. This method picks ambient sound along with the voices giving it “life” which is what you are missing with radios. A single sound recording goes with the 3 cameras setup; 3 visuals, one piece of sound. With a single boom mike there is no mixing and the voice quality will be the same providing an actor doesn’t go “off mic”. With radios, as in the dugout, the mike quality and volume can be different. The separate mikes are “mixed” on location, usually separate channels for each mic and the a “mix” or combine channel of all the inputs. I seriously doubt the picture editors have time to go any further than the combine. As for post production sound work, forget it, they don’t do any. Example; the scene at the door, “do you want to come in?’ “what do we do next?”. When Olivia steps forward to grab Natalia’s hands her shoe scrapes on the rug. And when she backs up into the room, there are 3 more foot scrapes. Arrggg. Drives me crazy, totally breaks the mood. Those foot scrapes are so easy to take out and replace. I know. I’m a sound editor. That’s what I do day in and day out, I could fix that in my sleep. No post sound is happening. But on to more important things…the show. I thought the Olivia/Philip scene was a tad obtuse. I didn’t feel they were making a connection as they were each trying to make a different point. For days now the “alone” theme has been following Olivia around. This was just more of it. Of course, I loved the Ava/Olivia scene. I agree about the first time coming out, but what struck me more, was this was the first time Olivia is vocalizing “We” to frame the relationship. She mirrors this again latter at the Gus memorial, first saying “I‘ll make her happy” and then amending that to “We’ll make each other happy.” This feels like a shift to me in how Olivia experiences their relationship. I think the layers of information Olivia says to her daughter and Ava still not getting is very true to life. The dominant hetero world is not an equal opportunity reveal, although it should be. I love how Olivia only starts to cry after Ava says she’s happy for her…Olivia allows herself to momentarily feel the pain of her situation, but not too much for her real role at this time is to be strong and there for Ava. In this sense CC played it perfectly, right down to the matter of fact, “No I’m not ” [alright but I’m being strong for you right now during your time of losing your father] type thing. (Totally add my ‘here here’ to CC’s tear shedding analogous to Eskimo words for snow – thanks abzug). I agree with you cagey, perfect pitch Mother in pain. During the talking to Gus scene, I was struck how his significance has changed since last year. Oh sure, Olivia is alive because she has his heart, but as time passes he become more significant as the person who bought the two women together. As for the Rafe encounter, Olivia just seemed exasperated with with dealing with Rafe. He’s not worth the time today. Having recently re-watched May and June episodes (what fun on ANY night) the whole Rafe thing plays so big in this s/l. There’s one scene in particular (around Rafe’s birthday) where Olivia says to Natalia that she isn’t going to lose her son and they will work it out, they have to because if their relationship cause Nat to lose her son, the relationship won’t survive. If the show wasn’t canceled the writers could do a lot with this subplot, but with 6 weeks left (oh shit) who knows what we’ll get. Brings me to the end of Season 3 Bad Girls anticipation/commiseration. At this point for me, I more upset that the s/l win end because the show is going away than how it will end. Just stack that up to no more clips to watch on a Friday night once I exhaust all the rest. LOL. A kiss at this point can't be anything but anti-climatic. Fretting over Frank's baby, yawn. I just want Olivia to be happy. p.s. OT but not. During the last commercial break for yesterday's show, the ads in the LA area had an ad for Olive Garden restaurant with Ava in it!!!!! Talk about messing with my brain. p.s.s. Don’t get all excited about the thumb rings please. Reva was wearing one too. p.s.s.s Rather write posts than work. Is that so very wrong??? |
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| Jeanna | Jul 28 2009, 08:54 PM Post #530 |
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I said SIT IN THAT CHAIR
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Didn't know you were a sound editor. That's so cool. I love hearing about that stuff. The Olive Garden commercial is national, I see it almost every day during GL. |
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| solitasolano | Jul 28 2009, 09:48 PM Post #531 |
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Slumming around you know where again. In honor of a non Olivia GL day and valid complaints about where this s/l should have gone/should be by now. Misplaced carnal knowlege. Love the "I don't think she even likes sex" retort, Jeffry's comeback, and then finally, Olivia's look. Enjoy. Sorry, the link works now. Check it out.
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| ekny | Jul 28 2009, 11:16 PM Post #532 |
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Thanks Solitasolano! I hoped you'd answer but didn't want to direct the question if you didn't feel like answering it. Yeah, I know they're not doing post-production but couldn't figure out why the sound is sometimes *quite* so crap.I had a gf once who spent 14 hours one day just editing a door-slam. I have no idea how you folks manage to keep any hair on your head at all. I like fussy technical stuff more than the next girl but a door-slam... just not a lot of room for innovation there.
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| solitasolano | Jul 28 2009, 11:56 PM Post #533 |
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I always say "you've heard one door close you've heard them all." LOL. Those FX editors can have all the doors and explosions they want. I specialize in production sound aka dialog. I like the spoken word; you know, the story; you know, the emotion; the breathing; the air vibrating between the actors. Cracks me up that you could figure out what Olivia said back in the bar with Josh..."just feels". All I knew was that there was movement over the words which muddled them. I've be looking for a production al for those couple of words, or even down to a syllable if necessary, to replace the no good ones with ones you could understand. The trick is to make the performance distinguishable from the original except now you can hear it. When I get a good actor/actress to listen to all day it's a thrill. Speaking of breathing, and more in honor of Olivialess GL day, love these quivering breaths at 5:20. "...might have almost (quiver) kissed me (breathy exhale)" Doubt anybody is directing CC there...that would be her 100%.
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| cagey | Jul 29 2009, 02:50 AM Post #534 |
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G3 Curtain and Duvet!
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Gosh solitasolano go picking the inference laden clips! Frank saying their little encounter wasn't "planned" - if we had just been paying attention back then, the baby would not have been a surprise. As a professional you must also have enjoyed those several scenes with the aircraft overhead. ![]() Thanks for the link to the interview with Maureen Garrett over in Spoilers, abzug This description of their working environment largely explains all the outdoor shooting.
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| Jeanna | Jul 29 2009, 03:39 PM Post #535 |
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I said SIT IN THAT CHAIR
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In these Olivialess days, while we wait...and while we ponder past clips, I thought I'd throw in with Ms. Spencer's take on Springfield: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LBaGuWZAoI&feature=related |
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| solitasolano | Jul 29 2009, 04:41 PM Post #536 |
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Jeanna, that was a riot. Thanks. Great way to start the day. Although I do find the cut of that red top a little distracting. Favorite quote from the comments there, "Chrystal Chappell is my new crack! " |
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| ekny | Jul 29 2009, 06:26 PM Post #537 |
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I just intended to come by and thank everyone for being so... sane. I'm hearing things like "Endgame". What is this, Armageddon? This place feel like the only area of calm in a loud crowded room right now. Re that damn theoretical kiss: if it's just one--there's really no reason, at this point. It's bound to be a disappointment so I'd rather not be subjected to it. There, I said it. Two or three, maybe they have a shot, cumulatively, & that'd be cool. But one would just be an insult. Effing daytime tv. I'm afraid we here are a little brighter than the scriptwriters at this point. And to the ah, distaff side, when a bunch of women who are smart & media-literate have been reduced to fussing over a single damn kiss, I have to think this show has succeeded in reducing us to its level a bit too well: no kiss in the history of mass media can possibly live up to this kind of pressure/expectation. The writers seem to have squandered 3 months with meaningless back-and-forth, & have, perhaps, reached the limits of their wee imaginations. They should've had this couple kiss in April & moved along with the story--Nat could have had the equivalent of a morning-after freakout back then. Lots of women do. But No. So here we are. Uh... what was the question? Everyone seems to have a slightly different take on the coming-out scene with Ava, Cagey. I don't think we'll be able to read this (seminal) moment with any greater accuracy, perhaps, until we see what shakes out.I think it's also worth keeping in mind that actors have got to be aware that this is the sort of scene--whatever the original context--that will get excerpted over & over in different discussions of how gays are represented in the media, etc etc. So my guess is CC also chose to play it low-key because it lends it dignity, period.
Kinda-sorta but in a different key: Liv just doesn't give a jack about what names people call her. She's used to it ; she doesn't care about any of that in a big way, I really don't think. She's dealt, or she will deal, but right now, it is not high on her list. Which only has one name on it. I didn't feel like it was 'profoundly' sad tho.... It's a Sad day in a Sad week. Ava is there for a Sad reason. Olivia is Sad for other reasons. That's how she summarizes the previous year: as one of loss. Opposed to what she's found. So obviously the implication is that she's also, maybe, lost this love just as she found it. But I didn't see anything sad about the delivery. Just composed. She holds Ava's hand throughout the scene, metaphorically, because Ava-from-SF has to stand in for the East-Buttcrack contingent of the audience. So we walk them through it. Ava: I think that's wonderful. And I'm really happy for you. ... This is the point at which Olivia starts to cry: when she's allowed to. She's been crying nonstop for a month. Now she has an actual family member, her first-born daughter, telling her it's ok. Ava's happy for her: Olivia can be happy for herself. Except, of course--mwuahaha--she can't because Nat's off doing whatever. But anyway--this is one of the times when people cry: when they have permission. Or out of excess. They cry when they're so happy they're sort of leaking at the gills. And they cry when they know it's safe. So there was that kind of dynamic here, for me. O's still taking care of Ava, still mothering her, but Ava's accepted O & what this declaration means wholeheartedly. So *with* that fresh in mind O. can go to Gus's grave and ask for something different. It's a painfully simple request. Tell me why again I'm watching this...? Oh. Right. Cause I'm CC's bitch. We're all CC's bitch, it would seem.
:ph43r: Man, she does make the nastiest clothes look shreddable. -- Olivia Spencer doesn’t bowl strikes, she just blows a kiss at the head pin and the other nine faint. |
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| abzug | Jul 29 2009, 06:59 PM Post #538 |
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Where did you get this? I love it. So so true. |
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| solitasolano | Jul 29 2009, 07:05 PM Post #539 |
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Right on, ITA about "the kiss". I referred to it as anti-climatic in my above post. I speculate there's one sure to come, and how could one ever measure up to the many which could have/should have been. Kiss is not my endgame. Just want my crack to be happy. I noticed that Olivia didn't cry until after Ava's "I'm happy for you" also. CC's timing was perfect in that respect. She's trying to be strong and supportive for her daughter at this time of loss and that momentary crack of true feeling leaks through before Olivia regains her strength and support composure. ekny, did you make up that bowling quip? If so, I am not worthy and might never be able to post again. It is too perfect! :lol: |
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| ekny | Jul 29 2009, 07:45 PM Post #540 |
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It was one of a clump of them that appeared on Twop in April or early May, before I stopped reading because it was too spoilery & got crazier every day, with people getting--yannow. Anyway, I posted a handful of them early in this thread, if you remember? but not that one. Which I held back for a special, rainy day. ![]() eta: solita--what, bastardizing ginsberg & the business with the shredding wasn't enough for 1 week? laws you girls is demanding. |
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Yeah, I know they're not doing post-production but couldn't figure out why the sound is sometimes *quite* so crap.
I like fussy technical stuff more than the next girl but a door-slam... just not a lot of room for innovation there.



8:46 AM Jul 11