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Otalia - Guiding Light
Topic Started: Mar 29 2009, 06:54 PM (21,253 Views)
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From my faux academic reading on soaps, I understand that communication between audience and writer/producer has always been an element of the soap opera experience. In the early days it was letter writing, then in the 1970s the soap fan magazines came in and now the internet. Those in control apparently do pay attention to what the fans feel and have been known to adjust or drop storylines accordingly. What is interesting about these exchanges is that the fans feel entitled to complain or applaud what's going on in the soap because of the other aspect of interactivity, which is discussion between other fans.

The soap theory is that watching the show is only the first step in the creation of the alternative universe that is Springfield. Equally important is discussing the show with other people who have seen it. That interaction fleshes out the motives, emotions, history and possible future choices of the characters. It also allows the soap fan to overlook pregnant actors playing not pregnant characters, passing semi's drowning out the dialogue and plcks beer - because the longer term emotional impact that stays with you for decades after you watch the damn thing, has evolved out of those discussions.

That "alternative universe" aspect is why I decided I have to sit through the whole show - even if I am folding laundry during most of the other story lines. The stories don't exist in isolation from each other and hearing Reva go on about trying to live without Jeffrey has resonance to me for what Olivia must be feeling because even if Olivia is not on screen this week, she is, in my soap world, still pottering around Springfield somewhere missing Natalia.
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I don't expect (and would rather not hear, in fact) any replies to this cause what can anyone say w/o agreeing & spoiling me or disagreeing (and spoiling me)?! :D But if we really have an entirely CC-less week--which is almost inconceivable to me, has it EVER happened?--then it seems clear N. should be back next week & it should be a busy week, indeed.

That's my story & I'm stickin to it.
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A week without Olivia/CC....doesn't that just make you want her all the more? :lol:


ETA: Wow, watch the whole episode. I've only seen the last scene before. I've NEVER seen a episode which was 36 straight (so to speak) minutes of Olivia!! Are there any others?
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As far as I'm concerned, Nat should be back THIS week, and all the gossip sources are just keeping it really really quiet.

I agree, a week without CC hasn't happened since, wait, actually, it did, when Olivia went to San Fran to help Ava with her move. But then we had Nat. I don't believe there's been a no-Liv-no-Nat week in at least a year.
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Did someone say something about Natalia coming back?

Deja vu.....
Frank is psychic. :silly

ETA: @58 seconds...the time stamp works at work but not now at home...sorry.
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Man, I can't believe all the stuff that's been uploaded recently, I thought I'd seen most of last year but there was a spate of new stuff from last summer I'd never laid eyes on. Made this week a whole lot more interesting. :D
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Dates and or links and or YouTube user name please!
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ekny
 
I can't believe all the stuff that's been uploaded recently
Me neither! Plus all the new HD loads. OMG have to watch everything all over again....Tough life.

BTW I'm have trouble finding Otalia clips between 10/03/08 and 10/21/08. I know they exist, it's the Natalia recuses O from the photo shoots....someone help me with my fix. :) Thanks in advance.


ETA: abzug search gidgegrl6 for lots of stuff from last year...that's who I was screening today but she has that October hole...

Also ck out critic2000, she (?) had 2009 stuff in good quality and QtaliaHD is current and reposted 2009 clips in HD, associated with Otaliafan and BPD.

annieQC74 has good stuff from last year and compilations of LOTS of Olivia Spencer stuff now throughout the last 10 years. Trouble is that she titles clips by content or theme without a date...you have to read the date in the page descriptions. Problematic for me but not impossible...lots of good old Ms Spencer goodies.

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BTW I'm have trouble finding Otalia clips between 10/03/08 and 10/21/08. I know they exist, it's the Natalia recuses O from the photo shoots....someone help me with my fix.  Thanks in advance.

I hope this is what you are looking for :) Not the greatest quality but hey ... we take what we can get of Otalia !

Nat Saves The Day - 10/06/08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOMFiCECOeY&feature=related
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Merci, traveller. Don't know why I couldn't find that. :) And yes, I have been getting spoiled by the good quality stuff that's getting posted these days.



Oh yeah the :what I relief I thought something was wrong" and "this isn't even your room", "it's my hotel"...good one liners.
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Otalianut has a ton of stuff from last summer.
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Thanks guys. I knew some of these, but not others. Electrica83 also has posted HD clips of a lot of the Otalia scenes, but isn't complete yet, as far as I can tell. Of course, this rewatching thing is all theoretical, since I've been working 12-14 hours a day lately, and have no energy for anything. I'm just hoping the clips will all still be there on Sep 18 when I want to go back and watch from the beginning.
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I think Willowtarafan1 has a couple clips I had not seen before.
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Question for discussion/input: Has Natalia done anything for Olivia in a caretaking/problemsolving way since the week of the wedding?

I started trying to think of an instance, and I couldn't. In contrast to the fall, when every episode Olivia was calling Natalia and saying she needed her, and Natalia was dropping everything to help Olivia. But this spring and summer, it's been entirely the other way, with Olivia doing things to help Natalia, but nothing reciprocal (sp?).

It occurred to me that this may be the source of our unease with the relationship as it currently stands, more than Natalia's hesitance when it comes to physical or verbal declarations. By which I mean, it's not that Natalia hasn't made any moves romantically-speaking, it's that she hasn't been a giver in the relationship AT ALL since the spring.

Well, she did take care of Emma when Olivia went out of town right after the spa. Am I forgetting something else?

This might mean that when Nat returns, she won't just need to make a grand gesture and do an I-love-Olivia dance, but she will also need to demonstrate some Olivia-caretaking, big time. Because that's what Olivia has been lacking the last four weeks, and she's felt it pierce her incredibly deeply.
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Very good observation, abzug. I would add two instances besides the taking care of Emma week where Natalia helps out, but these are not in the same degree of intensity that we got since last fall through Nat's engagement: Natalia shows up at camp family day to help plant flowers; and she includes herself both in support and because there was an "us" in telling Emma about their relationship. Beyond that I had noticed that right away after the non wedding that it is Natalia who is the first to "need something" from Olivia. Immediately after Rafe has to go back to the halfway house...Natalia asks Olivia to come into the church with her. So in a way, the tables were turned after the love confession with Natalia being the needy one. She was needy for self and not the sort of thing Olivia could problem solve or help with besides stay out of Natalia's and Rafe's way. The resulted in a string of rejections and disappointments for Olivia during May episodes, and the endless waiting mode of June. (We as audience were forced into this mode also.)

My unease with the relationship is not because Natalia is no longer helping or caregiving, but rather that she hasn't appeared to make any movement or gestures to move forward in the relationship. May and June have mostly been about Natalia's needs. The need to settle her son and have him adjust to being out of prison; the need to be alright with god; the need to decide things for herself ie. quitting working for Olivia and such.

Hum, hadn't thought in terms of Natalia returning to nuturing to repair and revive Otalia. That would be a good thing indeed.

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