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| molsongrrrl | Jun 14 2009, 07:06 AM Post #61 |
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The interview in particular that was so painful to me was the tellofilms one. Lawd. The reporter in me wanted to smack that girl so hard. CC did say a couple of things during the course of that conversation (cause it wasn't an interview) about her working style that literally begged for a follow up question or exploration and of course it was all just left hanging out there. She mentioned that she used to be very concerned about being on point with learning scripts and now she doesn't do that anymore. And the other thing she said about her acting style being "random." Both of these comments just left me wanting more. Now I'm pretty sure I know what she meant by both things, but I would have loved her take on it all. Sigh.
After the thing about the natural lighting - I promise you I could see her eyes rolling and I was listening to it on a computer! Hee. Actually, she sounded like she had no idea what to do with that statement and pretty much sounded bemused (sort of like Olivia does in every random scene she has with Ashlee. Ashlee is ZOMG! and Olivia is ... bemused.)
I love the production model now, because come on that gazebo scene is gorgeous and nothing you can do on a set would come close. But yeah, a lot of that stuff from the beginning of Otalia is just painful to watch. The learning curve was pretty tough! |
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| marymartin | Jun 14 2009, 01:37 PM Post #62 |
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The ghost of Larkhall!
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^^^ Yeah the Tellofilm mess was miserable to watch. I can't believe that with that kind of access and an hour of film, less than 5 minutes of anything substantive came out of it. Jessica's was a little better but not much. |
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| Jeanna | Jun 14 2009, 01:42 PM Post #63 |
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I said SIT IN THAT CHAIR
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Totally. That scene--in the falling snow--instantly iconic (like the "near kiss" used in the opening montage several times now.) One of the most blissfully romantic moments I've ever seen on film. |
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| cagey | Jun 15 2009, 02:17 AM Post #64 |
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OK first - gazebo? most beautiful done scene in the whole show. I'm another one who would pay money to see CC in theatre. Soaps are at least one place where it is possible for an actor to stay in the role and grow old. But I have to question whether there will be any soaps left on network tv in ten years. Hell, will there be any programming at all left on network tv in ten years? While trying to get a handle on this entire soap experience, I read some peculiar things. One is that: Viewers of soaps have something in common with viewers of reality shows: they both ask why does this character do this? Are any of you into the vast assortment of reality shows? Just guessing here but almost all of us had the soap watching experience at some point, usually in our youth or childhood, when we got hooked into serial narrative drama. Checking here, to say, I think we almost all know what I mean about the *addiction* in the sense of always wanting to know what happens next and how these characters, which are very much related to classic mythic characters in terms of our relation to them, continue as individuals. So I lean more to the thought that we watch soaps for the storytelling, the engagement with a character, and the gathering around the firecircle experience which is the soap in our minds. I really enjoy that a character like Olivia or Natalia exists beyond what is scripted but develops out of our collective conversations. Wasting my day today I watched the GL 70th anniversary show, available on YT. First: how better the actors are when they all have a script they can rehearse with. Second, I think we get the paternal, but also something sort of intriguing about the sense of a story not just being about the happy places but also the sad places. Of course, why this message had to be driven home to people in the late 1950s /1960s speaks more about what was going in the broader popular/political culture than just on a soap. Thirdly, in keeping with the general sense of melancholy about the demise of the show, how much of a wonderful ensemble feel the cast has. Is the internet/YT way the serial narrative drama will go? Sometimes I think it could almost go back to radio, There is a human need to tell these sorts of stories, It's one of those moments where the new technology is changing the delivery system so much we don't know what will work. It's also a moment when all those actors, producers and writers who used to live off of network tv are gonna scramble, and maybe come up with something new and intriguing. Meanwhile, Otalia Lives! |
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| Jeanna | Jun 15 2009, 02:46 AM Post #65 |
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I said SIT IN THAT CHAIR
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I once interviewed for a job at ABC. This was years ago. Late 70s, early 80s. And even then Mr. Programming Guy told me that it was an industry 'secret' that the networks were under a "mandate" to eliminate film altogether and go totally to tape. Well...what he meant is also do away with actors, etc. as well, and their demands, and their salaries, and their contracts...and program cheap so-called 'reality' tv. And I thought he was quite mad, and thought audiences would never settle for that. A nightmare. Ray Bradbury's vision of future tv (and other media) in "Fahrenheit 451" has come to pass. Another tidbit from the old soapwatchers' crew today... Since CC did her very best to try and get Telenext to move Otalia, written by JLH to their (and P&G's) other soap, As The World Turns and was...turned down, by her own employers, willingly letting this actress and this storyline go... I am told that CBS is most likely interfering and blocking this from happening (as well as any other network's acquisition of the entire show) because ATWT will be the next soap to go, it's renewed for one year (during which we could have had Otalia play out, tho in a different locale) and CBS is determined to cut it from the schedule after that and would not, oh heavens no, want the added boost in ratings that bringing on the Otalia story, or other GL characters would mostly likely produce. Machiavellian? Hey, it's Black Rock, 'Leslie Moonbeam,' and the Big Brother Eye we're talking about. I agree Cagey, there will be no more soaps in ten years. There are soap actors who are saying the same. We actually really honestly truly could have had more of this story...and they denied it to us as well as to their actors. And that is what hurts my heart as much as I tried to remain semi-detached from it all. |
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| molsongrrrl | Jun 15 2009, 03:19 AM Post #66 |
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I don't at all. I watch one reality show "Project Runway" - that's it. The rest are pretty much crap.
I started watching soaps because my mom did. It was generally something she did at lunch time or when she would be ironing or something like that and so we got into them. And then of course as I got older - we all watched the same shows and talked about them! At college, it was the easiest way to meet people in new classes just ask if anyone had seen DOOL the day before or if someone else brought it up - join in!
It was always the characters who kept me into this show or that. I remember All My Children back in the day and it tackled so many social issues - Agnes Nixon was an amazing writer. The whole Phillip/Tara romance which involved the Vietnam war. Erica taking the pill behind her husband's back. Erica having an abortion! A husband who abused his wife. I mean they really did a lot of stuff like that. And so many original, quirky characters - unlike so many today. Billy Clyde Tuggle on AMC, Cass Winthrop on AW, Felicia Gallant on AW - soap fan girl that I used to be ... I could go on and on. But soaps started getting away from telling stories and from being character driven to plot driven. And I lost interest. Until recently getting into Otalia in the last 4 months or so ... I hadn't watched a soap regularly for about 2 years - which is pretty amazing for me. Hell I used to record at least 3-4 a day! It's sad to see the genre dying because I used to love it so much. When Another World was cancelled, I cried. It was my favorite soap ever and even though I had other soaps I liked cancelled - that was the worst. This time, my sadness is much more about a storyline than the show itself. I really cannot believe there was no way to save Otalia, but if CBS is truly behind most of it - that's really sad and I have to say again FUCBS! |
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| traveller | Jun 15 2009, 05:52 PM Post #67 |
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Oh lord now you have me fantasizing .... (Power Suits ... Oh My!) Helen Stewart UK ........................................................................... Helen Stewart USA ![]()
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| abzug | Jun 16 2009, 01:28 AM Post #68 |
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In love with a prisoner
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Gee, it's starting to feel like we all have a type on this board. :-) |
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| Jeanna | Jun 16 2009, 01:40 AM Post #69 |
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I said SIT IN THAT CHAIR
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| cagey | Jun 16 2009, 02:43 AM Post #70 |
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How many hours of research went into that Traveller? Combing through the files, matching up pic after pic. Very dedicated to the cause, and much appreciated graphic evidence that we do, abzug, seem to have a favored type on the board ![]()
That seems to be the case for so many long time viewers. For me, it was more of a teenage summer thing, so it was easy to give up after a few years. Being thrust back into the whirlpool I am struck by how *social* an activity watching a soap is. Daily attendance is not the point so much as continued interaction with other viewers. The need for that sort of contact - oh gee if I wanted to get all political about the isolation of middle class women in the home Then vs Now and maybe that is why the soap format is fading I could, but I don't really want to. Right now I am more interested in how the, I think, inherent need to tell stories is going to show up in the new media. I've also been toying with how much, structurally, Bad Girls takes from the soap format. The prolonged three year story arc of N&H meant the writers did not have to neatly tie up the plot within the structure of an hour long episode - things could dangle and dare I say, get angsty, over several eps. Speeded up, certainly, in H&N were on an American soap, Nikki probably would have to go through at least 10 years until she got out. ![]() A couple of things that continue to twitch me: The constant infantalizing of Natalia. Again today with Rafe saying now that he is home, he can take care of her, she doesn't need Olivia. Do you think Rafe and possibly Frank assume that Things are Much More Advanced with Olivia and Natalia than they already are? The way he talked about Olivia it was as if he had already gone there in his mind - sex crazed Olivia ravishing his poor sweet mother. Natalia, for all she loves god, is pretty sure he punishes her for actively seeking happiness. The pouring out of the champagne (the last happy moment with Olivia) and the folding up the tablecloth were very telling. And finally, if Bill and Lizzie get married in 3 weeks that totally blows my control case for Otalia. |
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| molsongrrrl | Jun 16 2009, 03:06 AM Post #71 |
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![]() I think I do have a type!
Yeah this bugs me so much. I swear that whole part of Rafe's rant could have come right out of one of the scripts for Frank!
Oh yeah I do. Based on Rafe's comment about Olivia's reputation alone I think we can draw that conclusion. Frank assumes it too, for this very reason. He knows Olivia or thinks he does. |
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| traveller | Jun 16 2009, 03:30 AM Post #72 |
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See I am not the only one
Not long at all cagey. |
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| cagey | Jun 16 2009, 03:53 AM Post #73 |
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More in depth research! When Olivia did that fingers on the mouth thing, the Helen fingers on the mouth thing immediately came to mind. It is a classic move, innit? Poor Liv - her reputation is so going to mess with all her good intentions. She looked ready to take the ducking stool over her carnal intentions when Rafe first asked what the "heck" they were doing. Like a good Catholic school boy who isn't supposed to swear in front of his mother. That he got to "hell" by the last exchange was a good sign of separating. There have certainly been signs before that Rafe is not particularly into the Jesus thing. Thanks Molson, one of the things that disturbs me about Natalia is how everyone wants to take care of her, when she so clearly has taken care of herself for many years. I can't decide if it's a "oh you've sacrificed so much please put your feet on the sofa and let me get you a beer" sort of way or if it is more a "you are a sweet thing who needs takin' care of" way. I truly wish it to be the former, cause Olivia also makes these sorts of statements. I think Frank was completely the latter. |
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| molsongrrrl | Jun 16 2009, 04:12 AM Post #74 |
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I tend to think when Olivia says stuff about taking care of Natalia - its more about just wanting to make her happy and do stuff for her in general. She has always seen potential in Natalia and pushed her at work etc. So I don't think she ever views her as some little girl who needs protecting. She knows Natalia is very capable. Hells bells she raised a kid by herself! Frank, on the other hand, always acts like Natalia is a child. He was always saying stuff about protecting her etc etc. And that force feeding thing at the engagement party? Urggghhh. |
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| Jeanna | Jun 16 2009, 02:16 PM Post #75 |
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For me too. And they are wearing pretty much the same expression besides. I even made a banner of those exact screenshots that Molson pulled, but only used it briefly. As for soap viewing...I admit to watching "Dark Shadows" as a kid for some campy fun, but every time I'd see other soaps in passing I couldn't watch them for very long because of the stylized type of acting required. I was interested in theater and I majored in that in college, and while I've always respected the format as a place for young actors to get started and older actors to keep working and a day job for those in NY who worked on and off Broadway in the evening, I could never fully respect the genre as far as writing and performance style were concerned. I'd roll my eyes. It was a pleasant surprise to see what Emmy winning soap actress Ellen Wheeler was producing with GL these past few years. A much more realistic, naturalistic, often better written soap (at least in some of the storylines, though there's still typical soap melodrama afoot), and, overall, more like the brit soaps I've seen bits and pieces of. |
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