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| abzug | Aug 19 2009, 07:44 PM Post #751 |
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This isn't clear at all, since I don't even know what Question 1 is at this point? You'll have to quote from previous posts. |
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| ekny | Aug 19 2009, 07:45 PM Post #752 |
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Good point, they will sleaze out of it just like that. Well, let's go back to being Angry Lesbians then, since it's not such a stretch. |
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| ekny | Aug 19 2009, 07:49 PM Post #753 |
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* Why did you decide to have men play such a central role in the love story between Olivia and Natalia?" The issue is paternalism. Let's present it already framed, as such to them. Gift-wrapped. Since that's what they did to us. The problem with framing it as above, in your original suggestion, is then we get the Humanist answer: Men are People Too: it's a show about Love. We need to anticipate that to say: we GET that it's a show about love. But this was supposed to be a story about two women. So what went wrong? Iow: We Understand *your* need to be inclusive. But you inclusived this couple right out of its own storyline. |
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| abzug | Aug 19 2009, 07:56 PM Post #754 |
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So, this here is what I should ask? Or add in more character names like: Why did you decide to have men like Frank and Rafe play such a central role in the love story between Olivia and Natalia? or The Olivia-Natalia storyline is a love story between two women. Why did you decide to have men like Frank and Rafe play such a central role in the storyline? |
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| cagey | Aug 19 2009, 08:11 PM Post #755 |
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The feeling is mutual. I'm sure I'll go batshit after I see the ep. If the presentation is not just about wrapping up the soap but also about the history of GL and it's role in American culture and society. So, the question of how the Otalia family-to-be compares with other families in Springfield is still relevant. Both characters have no blood ties to any of the pillar famililes so they would be establishing a new family line. You could completely historic and also make a huge presumption and ask how creating a new female headed family without blood ties to the existing Springfield pillar families relates to the GL history of addressing front burner social issues. Call Otalia a new pillar family and see if they agree or disagree. It would be jaw-dropping if they said Natalia's baby is the tie that keeps them Cooper. Link them right back to the Bauers (if you've got time, check out the 72nd(?) anniversary show on YT where they do the history of GL) - it was very daring when the Bauers - working class immigrant family became the center of the GL story. |
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| Jeanna | Aug 19 2009, 08:26 PM Post #756 |
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I said SIT IN THAT CHAIR
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Oh...I shudder at the thought that they might say, yeh, but the Baby is a Cooper. And then I would point out that both Olivia's and Natalia's children, Emma and Rafe, bear their mothers' last names. At least the Near Kiss moment was back in the heart of the creds today. |
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| ekny | Aug 19 2009, 08:29 PM Post #757 |
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This is like that thing where they throw you the life-preserver but it brains you on the head & you fall unconscious and drown before you save yourself. RIght? Excuse me while I wipe the tears of mirth from mine eyes. Oh my. Talk about fool me twice. |
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| solitasolano | Aug 19 2009, 08:30 PM Post #758 |
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Abzug, ask the panel tonight if they have ever gone for 3 months without kissing or allowing themselves physical intimacy with their partners? Pitchforks arriving on the scene I'm imaging...Please report back..I will read every word. While I perfer to be an otalia YT clip purist, this song is playing in my brain and is a tad bit how I feel about both our ladies as they stand now...if you know spanish there's a bonus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UfP0BadkkY Now off to catch up. |
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| Jeanna | Aug 19 2009, 08:30 PM Post #759 |
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I said SIT IN THAT CHAIR
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QUOTE (jeanna) At least the Near Kiss moment was back in the heart of the creds today.
It was like...lest you forget... |
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| abzug | Aug 19 2009, 08:32 PM Post #760 |
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You know what the problem is? How many men have to tell these two that they are in love with each other and should be together before they'll actually get to do it? So far they've got Jeffrey, Philip and now (sort of) Josh. We're waiting on Frank, Rafe and Alan to come around. On the other hand, all of the women who know have been positive (Blake, Doris), but that hasn't seemed to have any positive bearing on these two. Well, maybe I'll give Doris a little credit for her antics at the wedding, and her moral support for Olivia over the last few months. But Blake? Useless. But wtf is this all about? It shouldn't matter what men like Rafe and Frank have to say, and the story is making it all about what Frank and Rafe say and want. For like half an ep we got to consider what Natalia wants as the primary focus, and then that focus completely dissipated. We've known what Olivia wants for a long time, but her wanting it seemed to have zero correlation with her actually getting it. Which is perhaps the most bizarre thing in this storyline, because historically if Olivia wanted to be with someone romantically, she got to be with them (albeit usually not long-term). The only exception there was Gus. So, yeah, as we've been saying ALL F-ING DAY: why have Olivia and Natalia's desire for each other been so unimportant in this story? Why? Are they just trying to show the pressure gay people and gay relationships are under, without societal support? That lesbian desire (whoops, used the L word!) is constantly battling against the patriarchy for its very survival? |
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| ekny | Aug 19 2009, 08:35 PM Post #761 |
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I know that. I'm wildly amused. Really, so cynical. (Them--not me.) Like we're gonna buy THAT. Yah right. Puhleeze. Talk about fool me twice. They can blow me. AFTER they buy that bridge off my friends. Just for the sake of transparency (I have no reason to think she'll even see any of this at this point, until after the event--although those little um, portable thingies... maybe so?), this was my final suggestion to Abzug for a Question: Guiding Light's goal in the Otalia love story seems to be an inclusive one: it is in keeping with the show's tradition of groundbreaking storylines and the show's central message about love. However in practice this couple has spent the majority of its time not behaving as any other normal couple on the show, but rather appeasing the concerns of other characters: in effect, they are no longer at the center of their own storyline. Can you comment? ...something like that. --ekny |
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| abzug | Aug 19 2009, 08:45 PM Post #762 |
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Oh, man, I would LOVE doing that. Or, I would love watching some totally bold, awesome lesbian do that. I tend to care too much what people think of me to pull something like this off. I wish I was this person. Damn. I think I'm going to go for the patriarchy question. I don't think I can manage to pull in stuff about GL's place in our society and culture without laughing at the absurdity of it all, given my general feelings about soaps and their middle-american-ness. |
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| solitasolano | Aug 19 2009, 08:46 PM Post #763 |
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Yeah but Olivia got his "heart" and his girl, only thing is, as we know and are waving our pitchforks in the air about, is that Olivia hasn't gotten the "there's more" expression of her lesbian desire. I've been to a bunch of presentations at the Television Academy her in LA. From my experience they are basically lovefests. I think angry lesbians gathered outside the doors or running up and down aisles would be a sight to behold. Good luck. |
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| abzug | Aug 19 2009, 08:50 PM Post #764 |
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Oh, I like! Printing now.... |
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| cagey | Aug 19 2009, 09:00 PM Post #765 |
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Quick suggestion - try to spin this as positively as possible. This couple has spent much of it's time defining their relationship in terms of how outsiders perceive them rather than exploring what being a couple means to them. Is that different from how other couples over the years on GL have related? Mostly cause those "care to comment" (or my fave, isn't it true that...")questions mostly end up being statements that the panelists can't really elaborate upon. |
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