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SPOILERS Otalia - Guiding Light; Discussion and Speculation
Topic Started: Jun 28 2009, 03:13 AM (6,499 Views)
abzug
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Here's what I've got:

Monday 6/29
Natalia begins to feel sick;
Mallet discovers the truth;
Reva becomes suspicious of Josh

Tuesday 6/30
The news about Phillip shocks Lillian;
James drives drunk;
Olivia shares her feelings for Natalia with Phillip.

Wednesday 7/1
Natalia gets a big surprise;
Alan comes between James and Phillip;
Reva plans to skip the Bauer barbecue.

Thursday 7/2
Lillian thinks Phillip should share the news with his family;
Olivia is excited to tell everyone about her and Natalia's relationship.

Friday 7/3
Natalia takes Father Ray's advice;
Shayne is confronted;
Reva and Hawk spend time together

And in case we weren't sure what Natalia's surprise was, from http://michaelfairmansoaps.com/news/newsIt...cms_news_id=462
"Natalia admits to father Ray she is pregnant and prepares to go on a retreat to figure out what she wants to do. "

So, yes, the oldest lesbian cliche, after the lesbian murderer and depressive lesbian suicide: the lesbian who is pregnant after having sex with a man. It's less bad than some, I guess, since Natalia had sex with Frank before she knew she was a lesbian. But I wish the writers had come up with some other way to get her out of town while Jessica Leccia went on maternity leave. Because now Frank isn't ever going to leave Olivia and Natalia alone, and I'm wondering if we'll EVER get a sex scene!

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Oh good lord ... Why did I look !! No, I refuse to believe it. The tests are wrong. No, NO ... NO!! :lala

I think it is a red herring. I am not going to that scarey place. I am holding tight to my denial

Just once ... can't we just have a love story ... They do exist !!

What are they trying to do to us ?? We're going to be emotional wrecks by Sept !!

I'm wondering what the hell I did before Otalia. Seriously.

I am going to need Otalia Deprogramming. :rofl :rofl
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Honestly, this is one of those awful spoilers I'd rather know about in advance. But I'm sorry for being the messenger on this one. The thing that completely weirds me out is, what the fuck does Natalia need to figure out? If she's pregnant does that change a single thing about how she feels about Olivia or that she envisions them sharing a life together, having all the things two people in love share? Just b/c she's pregnant is she considering going back to Frank? I mean, it's bizarre, because all she's talked about from day 1 is how much she loves her family with Olivia, so why would having a baby change that one iota? Wouldn't Olivia be the one she'd want to raise the baby with?

I just wish the writers had come up with something better. Like a kidnapping. Anything.
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Well first of all - is he just quoting the endless "insiders" that have already posted this rumor or is he giving an actual spoiler? Right now, I'm choosing to continue floating happily on that river in Egypt! I'm not buying this rumor for now - we'll see if the show destroys my faith!

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Wouldn't Olivia be the one she'd want to raise the baby with?


Probably the bigger issue is not how she feels about Olivia or wanting to raise a child with her, but rather in terms of her religion - she'd be expected to marry the father of the baby.

And you know, Frank would never allow Olivia and Natalia to raise that kid together. Worse yet? Then the show would end in Sept with that idiot still floating around in the middle of their story. Blerg.
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Okay then. I am so tired of all the pregnancy shite. I do not believe it and won't even if a baby miraculously arrives on the 17th of Sept I will still deny it.

Didn't an earlier spoiler have Fr. Ray saying that (once again) Nat's unholy involvement with Olivia might be causing her some physical pain and perhaps she might think twice about what she's doing?

That's the one I am going with.

In any case, I am fascinated by the way a spoiler works in terms of amping up the fan base and getting us al seated in front of our teevees for the occasion. Works, I guess. it does.

There is NO reason for a baby at this point in their sl or in GL's story line. Punto chiuso amen.

So looking forward to it being over.
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The writing has disappointed me since the non-wedding except for one or two scenes. It's been pretty much confirmed that this tired plot device will play out. Natalia's character has been destroyed yet again. CC's comments about the ending of Otalia have been more and more lukewarm in each interview. At this point, Frank and Natalia getting married at the end of the show and Olivia and Emma leaving town seems like the direction they are taking the story. Sucks, doesn't it?
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At this point, Frank and Natalia getting married at the end of the show and Olivia and Emma leaving town seems like the direction they are taking the story. Sucks, doesn't it?

Wow. It had never occurred to me that they'd take it this far. I mean, that would be SUCH a huge reversal of everything they've said and done in this story so far, in terms of setting up these two characters and their relationship. And I see that Natalia might have a new challenge to overcome with the teachings of the church and social norms, but she's very steadfastly stood up to the teachings of the church and her very own priest, so I don't know why she would suddenly lose all her nerve.

CC has used the words "happy" and "hopeful" in interviews to describe the ending of the Otalia story. I don't see either of those adjectives as describing an end where Frank and Natalia get married and Olivia leaves town.

As I'm thinking about it more, what's kind of cool about this pregnancy thing is that it really does force Natalia to put her money where her mouth is. She's been saying all these things about non-traditional families for months, but when the time comes where she's living out Rafe-Redux, with an unexpected pregnancy, not married to the biological father, how will she react? It's the single most defining event in her life, which defined its path since she was 16. How will she try to "correct" it in this second chance? By relying on Frank or on Olivia? IMO, it would be character assassination if she made Frank part of the core of her family.
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http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=973...av=menu1434_8_2


Monday, June 29th #15705

Rafe asks Frank if he blames Natalia or Olivia for blowing up the wedding. Natalia stands in the bathroom, having just thrown up. Blake notices that Natalia looks sick and asks if she's okay. Olivia is worried about Natalia's health but Natalia blames it on the stress. Father Ray points out that if Natalia is feeling sick, maybe the weight of her choices are getting to her. Natalia responds that her choices in life have made her a stronger person. Doris finishes lunch with Ashlee and after she leaves, Doris confesses to Olivia that she can't be herself with Ashlee because she's been lying to her. Doris tries to explain to Ashlee the truth but isn't able to get the words out. Olivia leaves a message for Phillip and says they need to talk. Blake reminds Natalia that she promised not to say anything about her relationship with Olivia. Natalia gets a sudden stomach cramp. Blake remarks to Natalia that if she didn't know better, she'd say Natalia is probably pregnant.

Mallet orders Shayne not to leave town and informs him he's going to subpoena him, Reva, and Josh. Mallet doesn't understand why Dinah ran off with a killer. Shayne suggests that maybe Dinah knows Jeffrey didn't do it. Reva notices Josh sitting in his car outside her house. Reva demands to know where Jeffrey is. Josh replies to Reva that he has no idea where Jeffrey went and says she needs to trust Jeffrey. Reva, Buzz, and Lillian have lunch together while Josh sits across the room, alone. Reva thinks Josh is using Jeffrey's absence to get close to her. Meanwhile, Shayne is about to break the news to Mallet about Henry but Marina begs Shayne to walk away. Mallet asks Marina what she meant earlier when she said our son to Shayne. Mallet realizes the truth that Shayne is Henry's father. Marina confirms the truth and says that only Shayne and Dinah know. Marina explains that she kept it from Mallet to protect him and says that Shayne told her he doesn't want to be Henry's dad. Marina can't believe how well Mallet is handling the news but when she leaves, it's clear that Mallet is having a tough time accepting the truth. Shayne reveals to Reva that Dinah is with Jeffrey in Bosnia. Reva sees that Josh is back again and Shayne goes out to confront him.
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I still don't believe Nat is preggers. CC has said several times we will be ok with the ending for Otalia. I am going to put my faith in that.

I have no idea what this means so we will have to wait and see what CC & JL are planning for us.

from @crystalchappell twitter page ....

Kimmys writing the series but there will be a special treat for Otalia fans Sept. 18th from me. Not related to the show. From me and Jess
7:08 PM Jun 24th from web

We should have a web site up by Sept. Promise to let everyone know
7:20 PM Jun 24th from web

I am looking forward to this web series CC and her writer friend Kimmy are developing. Sounds interesting called Venice.
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http://www.michaelfairmansoaps.com/news/ne...cms_news_id=462

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Natalia admits to father Ray she is pregnant and prepares to go on a retreat to figure out what she wants to do.

Lillian is shocked to learn the patient she will be treating who is terminally ill is Phillip.

Reva is sick with worry over the whearabouts of Jeffrey.

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It would seem that Natalia really is pregnant. (didn't she sleep with Frank in Feb? It's nearly July. You'd think she would have found out sooner) Speclation over at another board are that we'll be okay with it because Olivia and Natalia will decide to raise the child together.
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CC has used the words "happy" and "hopeful" in interviews to describe the ending of the Otalia story. I don't see either of those adjectives as describing an end where Frank and Natalia get married and Olivia leaves town.


Take a close look though at the dates for each of her statements. The later the interview, the less enthusiastic are her adjectives. She also said she thought fans would be 'ok' with the ending. Right now what is onscreen with regard to every storyline and every character, except for the fluff that is Bizzie, is incredibly depressing and the spoilers even more so. If the powers that be can saddle Natalia with a pregnancy, I have no faith in them giving us anything good from here on out.

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IMO, it would be character assassination if she made Frank part of the core of her family.


See, the pregnancy stuff is just further character assassination that I now see has been ongoing for months. Olivia Spencer has been turned into a shadow of the woman she used to be. In softening her, they have completely eradicated the barracuda, "I do things big" persona of her character. Natalia, with each passing day since she stood up to Father Ray, has been dumbed down and made to appear indecisive, someone who just let's things 'happen to her', to quote that sanctimonious, useless spawn of Frank Cooper, Marina. This pregnancy thing just reinforces that, plus it not only makes Natalia look completely stupid -- she's going on five months -- but it insults the intelligence of the audience.

What are her choices -- follow the teachings of her church and settle down with Frank, thus getting her thug son back, and sacrificing everything she wants and deserves to give this child the kind of two parent, stable 'normal' home she wanted for Rafe, or, asking Olivia to raise Frank's child with her and onscreen -- we get nothing of the joys and delights of their being in love -- just more 'drama' and angst in sorting this mess out. Sad to say, but Frank's heroic death or a miscarriage are what I'm rooting for -- both actually.
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Take a close look though at the dates for each of her statements. The later the interview, the less enthusiastic are her adjectives.

You're basing that on when the interviews came out, not when they were conducted. You have no way to know the lead time of the various publications. My guess is the Daily News has a longer lead time than the others, since it's a print publication. In addition, her comment about fans being "ok" with the ending could be read as being in reference to the ending of the entire show, not the ending of the Otalia story.

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I now see has been ongoing for months. Olivia Spencer has been turned into a shadow of the woman she used to be. In softening her, they have completely eradicated the barracuda, "I do things big" persona of her character.

So true, and I'm hoping that during JL's maternity leave, they give her a chance to be big, out-of-control Olivia again, because I MISS that character!

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This pregnancy thing just reinforces that, plus it not only makes Natalia look completely stupid -- she's going on five months -- but it insults the intelligence of the audience.

What if she'd had sex with Frank more than just that one time? I mean, it's possible they had sex again while they were engaged, which would make her 2 months pregnant. That's more believable than the idea that she's five months pregnant, which is just ridiculous.
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What if she'd had sex with Frank more than just that one time? I mean, it's possible they had sex again while they were engaged, which would make her 2 months pregnant. That's more believable than the idea that she's five months pregnant, which is just ridiculous.

More logical but unlikely. Frank wanting to have sex with her and her strong negative reaction to having sex without marriage prompted the proposal. Don't you remember how he talked about wanting to 'be with her' so much and respecting her values to Buzz right after she ran out of the wedding? The writers are expecting us to swallow this five month pregnancy just like we overlooked the very real fact that Jessica was just about five months pregnant at the time of the non-wedding.
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Just read in few comments elsewhere in which some people *might* be suspecting the pregnancy rumor was a hoax!

Please correct me if my timeline is wrong, but as I remember this endless month of speculation, the original spoiler was about an "illness" and it has always been about an illness.

Then once the fan bandwagon got rolling about how it must be pregnancy and things shortly went out of control.

This got amped up with quotes from "insiders" confirming the "story" had long been in the making, which only made things seem worse.

Finally we get that Michael Fairman spoiler of last week which makes no sense at all and Blake's comment in the Friday preview which has to be a joke. Seems to me the fans have been brought this upon themselves...;)




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Cagey, I hope to god you're right, although the one good thing about the pregnancy spoiler is that another spoiler I heard had Olivia and Doris go on a road trip next week to try to find Natalia. Which is almost delicious enough a plotline to make me not mind the pregnancy thing. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens!
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