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SPOILERS Otalia - Guiding Light; Discussion and Speculation
Topic Started: Jun 28 2009, 03:13 AM (6,507 Views)
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Spoilers from CC's chat tonight:
1. Otalia is endgame (big shocker there--I can't figure out why people needed to ask!)
2. Natalia is going to have to woo Olivia when she returns:
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<sapphic_beats> Yay! Thanks again for doing this chat. You are fantastic! What can you say about Olivia's growth in the context of this relationship & what do you think the extent of the damage of Nat's leaving will be? Is this how you hoped the arc of their story would go & what would u do differently if you could?
<lindsayflint> Do you ever read Otalia fan fiction and if so does it make yo9u blush
<Crystal> Ok...prt 1. LOL
<Crystal> Liv's growth
<Crystal> She has finally come into herself as a woman.

<Crystal> She's finally realized and found love in it's purest form and it's made her a hapier person.
<Crystal> Prt 2
<Crystal> She's lost a lot of trust in Natalia.
<Crystal> Ummm...
<Crystal> Even though Liv has evolved she still has trust issues and this is a huge breach for her.
<Crystal> Nat will have to work hard to earn that back.
<Crystal> I don't mind the arc. It serves a purpose. We had to get Jess out for mat leave
<Crystal> and give Natalia an opportunity to woo Olivia.

3. The storyline she always wanted to tell WAS about Olivia's drinking (I so called that one!) but it got reduced to a "blink" as she put it.

Link to chat transcript which actually had very few spoilers--she was much more discreet about revealing story details than she's been in the past.

Oh, and, most of what she had to say about Olivia's motivation and thoughts and feelings really jived with what we've been saying here, so we can all give ourselves a pat on the back for understanding the character and storytelling. :clap
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Ah thanks, abzug, I'm just leaving work, forgot all about the chat. Will ck the transcript out latter.

Trust issues, duh, only this time Olivia isn't making it up totally.
That's going to be one long "I love Olivia" dance I'm looking forward to.
I'm hopin' it will go for at least the two calendar weeks with perhaps a cliffhanger for the following. After all, won't there only be 5 weeks left once the CT decides to grace us with her presence again?

Could still be some good stuff to come, emotional stuff and writing I'm interested in now for the remainder of s/l. (To remind you all, I am so over the kiss that never was...don't need it now, I get the point.)

I want more pictures like Olivia in a BIG HAT. I love that one.... Anyways, cheers.
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Oh, there was some great stuff around the kiss, or lack thereof. Wait, lemme find it. OK, here it is:
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<indigoray> Thank you, Crystal and all the mods for spending the time with us tonight. Have TPTB censored the Otalia storyline in any way? Or was it always planned to be this long without even a mutual kiss, let alone any physical intimacy? Maybe you could adlib a kiss....
<Crystal> I can only tell you that I was promised there would be intimacy. I do not know what to tell you as to why there has not been.
[later in the chat]
<vtgrrl9> Though we are all impatient to see Otalia kiss, it took me many months to kiss my 1st gf (religious reasons, distance, pure terror, etc.) Does it seem long for Otalia not to kiss in terms of supercouple/soap opera genre or right on track? Thank you for your wonderful work! I look forward to the rest. Raven, VT (p.s. who's getting the giant fork/spoon from Company?)
<Crystal> I think that the kiss should come at a very romantic and specific time for these women.
<Crystal> But YES
<Crystal> it should happen
<Crystal> It's been difficult to find ways to show affection...
<Crystal> resorting to gradeschool antics...gonna pull her hair soon...
<Crystal> LMAO
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This week's spoilers:

Monday 8/10
Remy arrests Cyrus;
Phillip pushes Beth and Matt together.

Tuesday 8/11
Olivia invites Josh over to her house;
Phillip searches for a cure to buy himself more time;
Buzz and Cyrus go on a mission.

Wednesday 8/12
Reva panics when she realizes Colin is missing;
Olivia confides in Doris.

Thursday 8/13
Buzz and Cyrus head to New York;
Alan denies Ed his request.

Friday 8/14
Shayne finds himself behind bars again;
Bill tells Lizzie he wants to take the next step;
Buzz and Cyrus discover a clue.

We also know Olivia is on tomorrow, so she's in at least three episodes this week (Mon - Wed) thank GOD! Last week was brutal.
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More detailed Olivia/Otalia spoiler tags from soap central - not day specific
read the long list at: http://www.soapcentral.com/gl/scoop.php

Spoilers for the Week of August 10, 2009

At the Beacon, Olivia has trouble sleeping, missing Natalia.
Olivia announces to Blake they can't be friends since she helped Natalia leave town.
Olivia runs into Frank.
Frank tells Olivia he thinks Natalia left her because she's too difficult to be with.

*************
Buzz explains to Frank why he broke into Towers.
Buzz explains to Olivia about Coop's book about Jenna.
Olivia tells Buzz that she understands what he's doing.
Blake tells Buzz she could turn Coop's unfinished manuscript into a book.

*************
Olivia invites Josh to her place - and he accepts!
The former spouses share a passionate encounter - but do not make love.
Olivia tells Josh about her relationship with Natalia - and her fears now that she has left town.
Josh and Olivia are together when he gets an urgent call from Reva.
Olivia tells Josh she's grateful for his company - and his understanding about Natalia.

*************
Reva continues to surround herself with Jeffrey's pictures, talking to them.
Reva starts to think about searching for Jonathan.
She asks Olivia if she's heard from him.

*************
Olivia runs into Rafe and tries to talk to him.
Olivia tells Rafe that she wants to find a way for them to get along.
Rafe rebuffs Olivia's overtures.
Rafe tells Marina how much he misses Natalia.
Doris overhears Marina stating Ashlee always feels like she's letting her down.
Olivia, feeling all alone, tells Doris that she's unlovable.
Doris reminds Olivia that their daughters love them, no matter what.
Olivia calls Ava and assures Emma she misses her and hopes she's ready to come home.

************
Spoilers for Next Week

Frank gets huge news!
Lizzie demands to learn Sarah's whereabouts.
Natalia returns and she knows what (and who) she wants.
Billy proposes to Vanessa.
Natalia breaks up Olivia's date.

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We also know Olivia is on tomorrow, so she's in at least three episodes this week (Mon - Wed) thank GOD! Last week was brutal.
Yes it was. That's an understatement. Maybe we'll get a Thursday out of this also. :)
For the next 6 weeks I'll be "tied to the stage". This addict is going to have to figure out how to get her fix.. ..That giant flat scene in the back producer's lounge is going to look awfully inviting. :ph43r: Or maybe I'll have to go cold turkey.....nah.

ETA because I somehow left off "Natalia breaks up Olivia's date"
This is different phrasing the spoiler tag before which read, "Natalia walks in on Olivia and Matt" or something like that...could there be any chance that Nat will already be on the 'hunt"?
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I like this new phrasing of the Liv/Matt/Nat spoiler. It makes it sound more like Liv is trying to move on, and Natalia is not going to let her. From CC's chat, this sounds like how it's going to play out.

But how cool would it have been if Liv's get-over-Nat date had been with another woman?
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Clip from tomorrow's episode (I think) of Rick trying to flirt with Olivia. I think this is such a homoerotic, lesbionic scene, I can barely believe it. It's not particularly well-done or clever, but still my little lesbian heart smiled when I watched.

Also, Mindschmootz on CC's interview about the Josh/Liv sex scene which is also kind of interesting/amusing.
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if Liv's get-over-Nat date had been with another woman?
Ah, still young and a dreamer you are....:), may I live that long. Re. double standards, see my post on the other side.

Thanks for the clip...first off, what's Olivia Freaking Spencer doing shopping in the mini mart???
But to the point, Olivia is not impressed at all is she. :D

From the mindschmootz...."the money makers" ROTFL
Enjoy today's...I'll catch it tonight.
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Who writes this shit? It's really awful. The summaries I mean, not the storylines or the show.

Tuesday, August 11th #15736

Rick compliments Olivia and hopes he's made progress flirting with her. Rick tries to flirt with Olivia by buying her a hotdog and he gets mustard all over his face. Olivia is feeling lonelier than ever and leaves a message for Natalia. Matt checks on Olivia to make sure she's okay. Rick thinks Olivia is off the market, but Matt disagrees. Olivia invites Josh into her room. Josh makes Olivia a drink and they start to kiss. Josh and Olivia start undressing each other when Olivia stops and says she shouldn't have brought him in, but she would like him to lie next to her.

Buzz is intrigued as Cyrus reads an entry from one of Jenna's journals. Buzz and Cyrus wonder where "Frog and Toe" is, the place Jenna started her adventure. Lillian explains to Buzz and Cyrus that "Frog and Toe" was a nickname for NYC. Buzz decides they're taking a trip to New York. Buzz and Cyrus excitedly plan their NYC trip. Frank won't let Buzz take the company van. Lillian reveals to Frank that Buzz needs to take this trip because of his love for Jenna and Coop. Lillian says she'll talk to Buzz for him. Cyrus and Buzz decide to take a bus to NYC. Lillian asks Buzz to come over so she can talk to him. Lillian explains to Buzz that Frank is worried about him but she thinks the trip is important for him. Frank joins Rick and Matt for a beer. Lillian reveals to Frank that she told Buzz he should go to New York. Rick creates a profile on a dating website.

Phillip is doing research on alternative approaches to healing when Lillian comes in and asks how he's feeling. Christina sees Phillip reading the books. Lillian explains to Phillip that she's a big believer that people can find their own cures and says there's a woman who knows where to find miracle cures. Phillip goes to an herbal shop and opens up to the woman behind the counter about his illness. She thinks she knows people in Mexico who can help him. Phillip takes out a bottle of tincture and squeezes a few drops in his mouth just as Lizzie calls out to him. Phillip covers and says he picked something up for Alex and got some drops for his sore throat. Phillip talks to his gravestone and says he's going to Mexico to get healed and buy some time. Phillip asks Rick for advice on spiritual healers in Mexico for Alex. Phillip informs Lillian that he's going to take control of the life he has left. Lillian is worried about Phillip going to Mexico but Phillip is adamant about finding a cure to buy him more time.

James invites Daisy to go camping with him. Daisy finally relents and agrees. Frank sees Daisy hauling a sleeping bag and she says she's going camping with some friends. Rick wants to go camping with James until James clarifies he's going camping with a girl. James picks Daisy up for their trip. They arrive and walk off into the woods to find some wood for their fire. James and Daisy start roasting marshmallows. James admits he's having trouble with his dad. Daisy says she's having a good time and they start to kiss. James and Daisy look up at the stars, than keep kissing, on their way to making love.
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Stalker photos from today's shoot in Peapack:

http://twitpic.com/photos/moesyb
http://twitpic.com/photos/swisher65
(second link has better photos)
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Thanks twitpic links.

Was able to stock up on my Crystal Crack. :silly
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FD's wife is tweeting about the final :( shooting day.
https://twitter.com/BunnyHealer

Interesting tidbit:

GL is doing a sort of...."Desperate Housewives" move....that's how they are ending it...if you catch my drift.
no tornado! more of a fast forward...
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Fast forward??!!!!

Of course, then you never have to show a kiss or even a across the threshold
equivalent... just show Otalia together ____ (choose your time unit) from now et viola... a happy couple.

Pffffffffffffffff.

Oh well, I am looking forward to BAMF Olivia ripping her intended one. Of course I need to take my own advice and realize this spoiler as guideline only...who knows how this plays out with only 5 weeks of togetherness, including future togetherness, to do so in.

Still. :rolleyes:
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OK, the post below falls into the speculation category. :)

So, looking at all the Peapack stalker photos on Twitpic, I noticed that CC was wearing that turquoise tank and sexy jeans a week ago AND yesterday. Same with JL's black and white dress. SO, let's assume last week and yesterday they were shooting the same episode, or the same sequence of episodes (eg a day in Springfield, possibly spread over multiple eps). The turquoise tank and jeans is ALSO the outfit where CC was wearing the wedding band. Which in the chat she said was a personal choice she made for the character. So, putting 2 and 2 together, I'm now hypothesizing that this outfit, and the wedding band, are part of the flash-forward everyone's talking about, that it's supposed to make it clear Liv and Nat are married/civillily-unioned, and that this was an important thing in CC's mind to show about the character(s).

Still can't figure out how long that flash forward is going to be, in episode-time, given that our cameraman friend has been saying they've been shooting out of sequence.
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Reshoots perhaps.

Humm, wonder what they changed?

Speaking of fast forwards, I forgot to comment about how grown up and mature the little actress who plays Emma is looking these days...For her it's probably a good thing that GL ended because at this rate she's growing faster in RL than her character is in the parallel universe of GL time. he he.

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