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Venice: the thread
Topic Started: Sep 17 2009, 10:22 PM (6,380 Views)
solitasolano
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Little to add. As usual, I mostly concur with the insights of the east coast ladies.

1) Venice the Website
The "social networking" structure of the Venice the series website is a wtf to me. There's no there there. I can't find anything; can't tell if there are new posts unless I memorize the last one I looked at; there's two of everything, who are all those people? etc. It's like a giant party some young kids are having in when someone's parents are away. No one knows who's house it is, who lives there; how they got there; can't find my friends who said they would be there; and btw, who spiked the booze with ecstasy? Mostly it's time consuming with no return. Opp, my generational profile is showing.
I want to be able to check into my parasocial environs, see who's there, what's new, ignore what I'm not interested in. The V Community doesn't allow me that option.
I don't care about crashage. I just want to know where I'm going when I CAN get there.

2) Being used
I've been used all my life by media and popular entertainment. My expectations are not high. I look for a few moments of being transfixed in suspended belief outside of what I would normally encounter in my life. Good acting is always a plus, add good writing to that, something unexpected and somehow real, and I can be happy in the amount of time it takes, in long shot, for Gene Hackman to hike up his pants as he's walking up the sidewalk to the house of his intended in Mississipi Burning. How long did that moment take? Sometimes I'm easy. "Hot chicks making out" need be connected to something in the characters and the emotion of the story if it's going to do anything more than be "raw material" (trademark abzug) for mx vids on yt that do nothing for ekny. I know. I'm asking a lot.

3) Lenght
I'll make this short. In 2 clips of Verbotene Liebe I watched, the kissage takes up 2 1/2 minutes. You do the math. That amount of time would take up 1/3 of a proposed Venice episode. I've been watching other webseries, jumping around. Seven minutes seems a standard which is good enough to deliver one punch line. Even though I could hardly understand a thing anyone said(accents and CRAPPY sound), I liked the first epi I watched of Far Out. Ok, I couldn't understand one word in the first scene when the two girls walk out onto the sidewalk, but, the acting was interesting, I got to peek at a world I don't and won't experience, and, hey, the episode was LONG enough (15m) so that there was actually some pacing and transition shots in the editing.

4) Promises and expectations
Venice the series is gonna have to be careful. Where is that store anyways?

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It's like a giant party some young kids are having in when someone's parents are away. No one knows who's house it is, who lives there; how they got there; can't find my friends who said they would be there; and btw, who spiked the booze with ecstasy?

You hit the nail right on the head, sister. And I don't think it's generational (although I've always been an old fogey, ever since I was a kid, so who am I to say)--it's whether you like things organized and clear, or chaotic and messy.

I guess if you want to see recent stuff, you just look at the groups with the most recent activity. But there should be a way (don't know if there is) to just view the posts in the groups you've joined, and that would be kind of like the "Active Threads" link at the bottom of the home page for this board, which is what I use to check to see if there are any threads with discussion which I haven't yet read.

In poking around, I found a group I might actually want to join, and somehow I think it might appeal to folks here too:
What Do You Really Think?
But man, I just tried to join it, and I need moderator approval! Wow, how cliquey!

Btw, in order to join you get to answer their survey questions, so there's your answer on the point of having the community: collecting audience demographic data!

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But: L-word, was my point.

You and me, e, we got ESP. I was thinkin' exactly the same thang.
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in order to join you get to answer their survey questions, so there's your answer on the point of having the community: collecting audience demographic data!

LOL. You don't give correct answers do you? :lol:
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I do believe TV Guide is a mite optimistic about CC being #1 in terms of soap power. She's certainly got a hold of the tiger tail media buzz wise these days, but I do not see how her position translates into the ability to affect the course of events in the soap biz. I thought there was a fairly large representation of women on that list - and in positions that do have influence.

I think I'll just use solitasolano's excellent outline ...

1. Venice: The Website - may I just say the Venice: The City in Italy must love all the web ads the buzz over the webseries is generating for them (see below). I just took another look at the site. Gee I wish I cared enough to work their ciphers and word games.  Inside it looks like football season is well underway. So many groups, so little discussion, except in the self defined drinkers section. Crap, now I forget - 6,000 members so far?

2. Being Used - I am not sure I would define it that way, just because I have no idea if "us" are a big enough group to be exploited. I suppose if DAYS saw an noticeable bump in their ratings when CC appears that would argue that she does have a solid fan base who will watch her show. Who knows how many of those folks are the Otalianation. At this point I would say we, the notional lesbian viewing audience, are being leveraged. But we all know, I think we've all seen enough political campaigning, that to sell this story, CC and Co. are going to have to move to the center. Which brings me to --

3. Length - Let us contemplate for a moment just towards whom are the 2.5 mins kisses on German soap operas directed. Can I suggest, for a wee and sad moment: not us or our German counterparts. I just can't venture an opinion really on whether the time constraints will work. I'm not writing it, and I have to trust those that are have thought it through. Which leads me to --

4. Promises and Expectations - It's a soap. Which means there will be complexity of story line and many intervening obstacles to any person effectively communicating with another. Look at all the cast members already on board - they are going to take up space and time.

abzug Thanks for the research - don't think I am ready to go Venetian or disclose my data - I am sure they sucked enough just off the cookies they must be implanting every time I go there. I like it here. Love the retro feminist power graphic. solitasolano this might be our demographic!
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Sh*t, cagey, you lost me with the retro feminist power graphic. :huh:

or did you mean retro feminist power <demo>graphic? :D Now that I'll go with.
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Sep 25 2009, 02:39 AM
Sh*t, cagey, you lost me with the retro feminist power graphic:huh:

or did you mean retro feminist power <demo>graphic?    :D  Now that I'll go with.

Bit of both don't you know. The icon for abzug's group o' interest is
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LOL...Oh that. Definitely.

eta: oh yeah, awaiting moderator "approval" to join the group. Wonder what the criteria for approval are? :boobies
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For a thread specifically with the stated objective of letting people dissent & criticize the board or show proper, I think it's weird & offputting. And sort of suspect. So my first question on registering would be: why exactly do people have to register in order to get special approval to dissent (which is sure how it looks), where they don't have to go through any hoops for the rest of this website? I'd want a straight answer on that.


As a Mod I can tell you that we kicked around the idea for awhile--it has serious cons as well as pros--but ultimately S&J had to put an 'approval' policy into place. That is, new members here have to post, once, in a special thread designed for them--it can be anything at all, doesn't matter--before getting Validated, ie being free to post on any thread. For us the sole purpose is to weed out bots, spiders, and all manner of spam. Because that was happening & it was really gross & offensive. I find any idea of 'exclusivity' or access offputting, but otoh: this board is wide open--anyone can read it--so some kind of interrim step as screening process to tell actual humans from computers seems the only sane way to weed out that kind of stuff. (It's also lets us offload human spammers.) The downside is it's labor-intensive, and theoretically, potentially discouraging to new members (it shouldn't be, but... you know, sometimes people just want what they want right away, I guess: to jump in & start posting, already).

Anyway, any other purpose puts me off, big time. I don't share demographic data with anyone. Not my (many) email accounts, etc. Birthdays, zip codes, 'real' name--absolutely not. I lie about every one of those things and feel wholly justified in doing so. They want to provide free services that's nice. I'll buy additional things when & as I need them, and that's how that model works: X-percent of your potential customers are Just Going to Be Difficult about that whole silly privacy thing. <waves hello>

And Cagey, if you feel strongly enough about it, there are of course all kinds of anonymizer services, free & otherwise, so they can't collect data even off your IP address.

--yrs in rebellion


eta: Solitasolano, it killed me that you said you had "little to add", especially when you then followed it up with this great, articulate post that was totally on the money. :hug
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Wow, no pressure with the expectations or anything. Gosh but this is a lot of coverage.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g57/dccu...age1tvguide.jpg

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The premiere episode finds them in the sack, having reunited after a year apart


FINALLY I get something right in the betting pool. :)

But ya notice how the article starts off with actress, wife, mother of two -- just in case there were any doubts out there.
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New article, with Kim and Hope. So many typos I can't believe it, but it's a good, substantive interview, so I wish the writer had been less sloppy with her proofreading.

http://eclipsemagazine.com/hollywood-insid...797/#more-12797
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Lol. Hey, woman, you beat me to it. Signed on to post quote and link. The interview does have lots of info. I continue to be intrigued by the producer's expectations and business models for supporting this venture. Seems like both Kimmy and Hope at this time are not looking for cable or tv pickup in favor of keeping control of their creation and creative vision.

Here's a quote about "distribution" aka different ways viewers will be able to see and pay for the show.
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So you have five minutes but then you have this whole other rich world in terms of just the production and interacting with it again because the whole process has been so interactive so why not let them see what’s going on behind the scenes. You know what I mean? So that’s our plan, to really make a rich experience not just with the show but also with all the other media that goes along with it. I think we’ll probably end up doing a duel model where we have the ability for them to watch it advertising, for free or do a subscription model where they get all the bonus stuff for a really low price.
Looks like they're planning a subscription mode where you would get "extras" and bloopers. Hey, why not.

We're all aware of the huge fan interaction/twitter/facebook/yt etc co-dependency that's going on. Myself, I'm waiting for the Venice Ashram to open up out my way...you know, instead of group meditations, we can do group twitters or something. :silly

Good luck to them all and my I have something interesting to watch in the near future.
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Omfg.

I'd like to comment on the content but I can't: that was effing unreadable. She managed to make several presumably sentient life-forms sound like SoCal middle-school ditzes. Ok, I've said it once, obviously it's about to become my new refrain--NO one copy-edits or proofreads anymore, but this--is *totally* ridiculous. Literally unreadable. I've done professional transcription: it is not that easy, it is not for everyone, esp group interviews. Especially if you want to convey how people speak, idiomatically, without including every stutter & grunt. However, it's doable. A machine could have done a better job than this. And machines still can't proofread, can't transcribe, and cannot edit or copy-edit anywhere near as well as humans: it's the last & final irony of a dying industry.

But if that's what she intended--as opposed to, say, a normal professional interview, like the recent AfterEllen thing with Crystal, where answers, although perhaps cleaned up of "uhs" and "ums" are clearly accurate representations of the interviewee, in recognizable English--she could have damn well looked up how to punctuate, for starters. The love-fest for Twitter was sorta perfect, really, as an ending: by the time it's 2020 devolution will have us all back to phonics. // [/snarl]
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by the time it's 2020 devolution will have us all back to phonics.

Man, your post made me LAUGH! But this is actually going to happen, I fear, so it's hard to laugh at it.

And I've done transcription, and assuming you're not sloppy, it's not hard to transcribe an interview WAY better than what she transcribed. I mean, Word fixes your typos for you! All you have to do is pay attention to what you're doing. Which I guess is passe in these days of multi-tasking. I wonder if she was watching tv as she typed it up.

solitasolano
 
Looks like they're planning a subscription mode where you would get "extras" and bloopers. Hey, why not.

It's smart--people love this stuff, and it will generate a ton of revenue for not a huge amount of additional work. At least, I assume it won't be a lot of additional work. Another camera, and then more editing time. Which will generate 100% of the susbcription revenue and increase costs maybe 25%? If that? They could have an intern hold the camera and do the editing....
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Oct 2 2009, 01:08 PM
Man, your post made me LAUGH! But this is actually going to happen, I fear, so it's hard to laugh at it.

Oh its liek ottally happenning like now cuz it sux dude!!!!! <<--- note excessive punct. Always helpful in lieu of content.

[edited to remove apostrophe from it's. Dang. I keep trying...]

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And I've done transcription, and assuming you're not sloppy, it's not hard to transcribe an interview WAY better than what she transcribed.

No shit.

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I mean, Word fixes your typos for you! All you have to do is pay attention to what you're doing. Which I guess is passe in these days of multi-tasking. I wonder if she was watching tv as she typed it up.

:D 100% likelihood.

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At least, I assume it won't be a lot of additional work. Another camera, and then more editing time. Which will generate 100% of the susbcription revenue and increase costs maybe 25%? If that? They could have an intern hold the camera and do the editing....

Upside: 10 minutes work (30 max) for huge return. Downside: 30-second unthought-out backstage-Emmy clip: if you pull that too often & charge people money for it, they will be pissed.
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