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| solitasolano | Nov 1 2009, 04:32 PM Post #91 |
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The "party" is over. Production for season one wrapped yesterday and now the real work begins. Actually, in the Venice sense, TPTB have expanded the concept of "party" when it comes to a production. This once again begs the question for me, "what is the product?" Five minutes is going to be over soooo fast. Still wish Team Venice well, that plus sponsorship. he he. ps. none of my friends, gay or straight, look like Leslie Kay or Nadia whomever. Lword anybody? Just sayin. (CC is exempt.) pss. Computer is down plus been in alternative world of mom sitting. I'm feeding the neighbors cat this wkend. She insisted I use her computer and ck my email. Hi all, latter. |
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| ekny | Nov 2 2009, 04:47 AM Post #92 |
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I have if anything a greatly increased number of reservations about this whole business since last I posted, but have stayed shtum for reasons of avoiding conflict. The show, its production, marketing (?) and affect (tweetfests about uh... things) raises a number of questions, to say the least. The panties business was a mistake. Imo. To say the least. As for 'the pretty'--these all look like L-word style (but slightly older) actors to me, yeah. With a distinctly soap-ish look. So I guess we're going Glossy. Mainly trying to separate every single aspect of what-has-come-before with the product itself. Not sure if I should have to do so, or why. Bec I imagine it will be consistent: it now seems clear product will definitely be... Soap. Of a type. What type remains to be seen. I do wish them well, but suspect we are, again, nowhere near any planet I've ever visited. |
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| cagey | Nov 2 2009, 04:58 AM Post #93 |
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Okay, now that we have some actual on site photos, at least thanks to Nadia's publicity machine, can I just poll the group on: Does this picture bug you and if so, why? My first thought is the Nadia looks like the cream filling being squeezed out of a cookie. Second is that - and I really hate to say it - CC is too old for these two Third is that JL looks like she has a nice buzz going on The mind boggles that all of the "first season", which they represent as just one installment, I guess, if they say there will be multiple seasons, can be shot in one weekend, was it? http://www.nadia-bjorlin.com/galleries/dis...album=226&pos=5 |
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| molsongrrrl | Nov 2 2009, 06:23 AM Post #94 |
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I think CC looks too old for NB but not JL. The photo bugs me because of NB. If you haven't had the thrill of seeing her on Days - trust me she cannot act at all. It also bugs because it feels like another panty photo. Trying to be titillating and it comes off as a bit silly. But maybe that's just me.
Actually they shot Venice all week. Everyone at Days had the week off - so those folks were there on their time off. |
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| cagey | Nov 3 2009, 04:03 AM Post #95 |
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I did spend two weeks watching DAYS and have no memory of what character she plays. Help? Now I am down with the clipping service and much better off for it. Although how Carly and Bo can continue repeating the same conversation to each other over the course of an entire week rattles what brains I have left. I have been asked by solitasolano to post the links to today's video interviews. And since CC admits up front that it was the panties that made Venice possible, I do believe I have now lost my shirt and possibly other treasured articles of clothing to SS in this round of the bets. Venice we love soaps part 1 Venice we love soaps part 2 |
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| abzug | Nov 3 2009, 04:23 AM Post #96 |
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OK, here's my latest prediction. I'm going to like the Gina-Ani stuff--it'll feel authentic and rich. I'm going to hate the other "romances" with the really soapy looking actresses because I just won't believe in it (like I never believed in it when Rachel Shelley made out with anyone on The L Word). Oh, and for anyone who's interested, they've started posting stills from the shoot on the Venice Facebook page. More genius recruiting efforts--get folks who are fans of CC's facebook page to join the Venice page just to see the stills. |
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| ekny | Nov 3 2009, 07:15 AM Post #97 |
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They've been playing down the Gina-Ani stuff for quite awhile, though today's stills offered some indications around where they might be going (and that they might treat them as OTP), but that is *so* their money-couple, it's not even funny. Mission-critical they get it right, ITA with you. (And yeah, the soapy-looking people just make me skeered! :D) On the definite plus side, despite my (great, like, large) discomfort with the panty-nonsense, I was surprised & impressed that they apparently took several large donations & gave them to charity. If they financed the first season wholly from the shop & smaller donations (anyone know if that means they are paying their actors?? I kinda doubt it) & felt they were able to do that, then horrible website & pantygate aside, that's the first big thing they've done in awhile that seems politically astute & entirely to the good. Whether it's just business-savvy or because someone's heart is in the right place doesn't matter--it works. |
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| molsongrrrl | Nov 3 2009, 04:29 PM Post #98 |
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She plays Chloe - who has been making out with Dr Dan most of the time I've seen her.
Yeah I was impressed with the charity info too. I figured the V-Shop would go a long way in paying for Venice - though I'd say the actors are still working for free at this point. I'm hoping some of that money will go to building a new and better Venice website! |
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| solitasolano | Nov 3 2009, 10:42 PM Post #99 |
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Good on Team V for going for it, raising money, AND acknowledging the fans once again for their part (no panties for me....yet?) in making it all happen. I too doubt any actors got paid. In the WeLoveSoup interview, CC mentioned they were able to upgrade the camera package and bring on more crew members to help, any even the sandwiches were provided by the fans. Today it feels like it doesn't even matter if the webseries (aka websoap) as rather a fan vote of cofidence and appreciation of Ms Chappell and her collaborators. And, yes, a more user friendly website with some actual content on it would increase my interest, involvment, and investment. Here, here to pink panties. What can I say? |
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| cagey | Nov 4 2009, 04:39 AM Post #100 |
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Thank you. I never would have put her together with the brief scenes I had seen. She is somewhat more, um, restrained, as Chloe than she would seem to be on Venice. Charity is a good choice - one wonders which one. But what you gonna do with money you can't return. Oh, there's a moment for all of us to contemplate....
And us peasants can see them too. But I agree that the numbers count must be going up for folks who are already onto Facebook. Venice pix And I got to say that overall these pictures do not do a lot for me. I have no context so I cannot see them in terms of a fictional story. It would be a different case if these were photographs by someone presenting them as art - just 2 people at the beach. Then I could consider what might be going on between the persons in the photo. I think there is a difference. But I could be wrong.
I totally get where you are coming from, and I have to wonder how much of that is then a result of our conditioning, from GL on, to want this to happen. What if this were a brand new show, about which you only knew the barest plot synopsis, as if what is available right now -- how would you feel about the characters? Oh dear, I am about to get all analyzish about this, I should take myself over to the Lido deck where such observations are served with appetizers. |
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| abzug | Nov 4 2009, 07:58 PM Post #101 |
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In this case I think it's impossible to look at our "conditioning" in isolation. The Otalia storyline has affected Venice and Gina-Ani in a bunch of ways: 1. Viewers are already invested in the romance between the two characters, due to the romance they had on GL 2. The actors have a history working together, proven chemistry 3. The folks in charge (which for once aren't some faceless execs who don't give a shit) know that #1 is their biggest asset So in my mind that means that the writers and actors are investing a lot more in the relationship between Gina and Ani, meaning they are being more thoughtful, creating many layers, establishing it as a core relationship even if they spend most of the season apart. And their additional care with this couple (as opposed to CC and Lesli Kaye, or JL and the pretty/scary one whose name I forget) is what will make us more interested and invested in this couple. That and the fact that our interest in them is already primed, after a year of watching them in another show. If we were coming at this brand-new, I still think we'd find this couple the most intriguing. The stills they've released of them are the most emotion-filled of anything we've seen so far. Tons o' angst. Publicity photographs have established them as the central couple. So they're clueing us in that this is going to be the most interesting part of the show. Whether that actually proves to be true we can't know for another month. :-) |
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| ekny | Nov 4 2009, 09:48 PM Post #102 |
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Do you really think the stills show significant emotion? I'm truly asking. The first shot, I get the angst, sure. Even w/o 'knowing' the characters. That kind of body-language suggests a lot of *specific* things. But the second shot (G/A on beach)--to me, that could be anything, any couple; it's generic, they could be discussing the cost of installing a new pellet heater that winter. The third still--that one says nothing to me at all (the non G/A one), other than: players; or, 1 character thinking they are doing one thing to get someone, & getting another thing altogether. I think that can be read *into* the body-language--the leaning-forward/leaning back--but it's generic--not, like shot 1, specific. (Also: only shot #1 is both aesthetically composed enough & suggestive enough of the type of character CC plays in general (aka: hot mess) to say to me they may, to some degree, have the kind of depth you're hoping for in mind.) If this were the TAT, and the person administering the test handed me these flash-cards and said: ok, tell me what's happening in each picture. Pictures 2 and 3--I could do that in my sleep: tell them what was happening. But only picture 1 suggests any kind of story. Anyway. That's about all I can take away from those 3 shots. Was wondering about your and others' takes on them. I've been thinking... we're talking about a "show" whose entire length will be equal to that of: one movie. Almost no contemporary movie released these days is worth the kind of scrutiny this show will be getting (on much higher budgets); almost no film could withstand that. And this is just a soap. In a slightly different format. So... I'm not sure how that will or can be balanced against the intense level of audience participation and instantaneous responses for/against that soap audiences, in particular, seem to be given to. I have no conclusions. Just that the dynamic will be interesting. |
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| solitasolano | Nov 5 2009, 02:10 AM Post #103 |
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Woman, I've been thinking HOT MESS all afternoon. LOL. Meanwhile, there's a new cc/jl as Gina/Ani as a publicity photo so it's posed. See it via VenicetheSeries facebook. Sorry I can't link. I like the first pic which was released as part of the iCNN interview. It reflects mood and atmosphere or angst as ek says. The second, I agree, could be anything. I don't have any investment in other characters, plus couldn't they have provided some fill light? (maybe I should have bought some pink panties afterall.). On a slightly different Venice note is nycwriterchick mentioning 6 minute episodes. I was excited for a second until I realized that title sequence and tail credits will run longer than that extra minute. BTW, did I miss the contest to design the head credits? Just kidding. To repeat: hot mess. |
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| ekny | Nov 5 2009, 02:53 AM Post #104 |
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You totally should submit something! Not just kidding. ![]() Do you really think the extra minute would be just credits? I mean, first season BG was about 8 seconds, for the opening title, if I recall correctly. And that was a TV show. |
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| cagey | Nov 5 2009, 03:03 AM Post #105 |
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So, is that Gina as a hot mess or Venice as a hot mess or were you just making chili? I had a co-worker look at pics 1 - 3 today. She is aware of Otalia but knows nothing of Venice. Of the first still she thought: this couple is breaking up Of the hoodie hugging on the beach shot: JL looks like she does not want to be there and possibly doesn't even want to be hugging CC Of the CC and LK: these two are very close, getting closer and are very intimate. I mention this because I continue to wonder how much we are bringing to these photos. Personally, still #1 drives me nuts. It looks cheap and quickly done to throw something out there. Gina's head is cut off and it takes up the majority of the frame and for me, at least, my vision is drawn first to her nose and then to the white shirt strap. All of that is off-putting. Only by close examination do I get the sense of loss and disconnect: Ani is looking down and back - towards the past, perhaps, and Gina is looking up and forward - in a direction she has decided to take. The beach hoodie still does complement that - they are still looking in different directions, but Gina is now being embraced by rather than restrained by Ani. But Ani doesn't look any happier about it than in the first still. I think Tracy, in the Gina and Tracy still, looks way more animated and seductive. Gina is a literal sphinx in that shot. Check it out. As for this latest - my first thought is pre-Raphaelite. My second is CC has huge hands. My third is that it looks very classically romance novel cover. abzug I like your comments. I may have other thoughts. ekny Credits front can take 45 seconds and the back end - well I never stick around. |
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