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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 17 2009, 10:22 PM (6,375 Views) | |
| abzug | Nov 5 2009, 03:04 AM Post #106 |
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But it can't be viewed in isolation. In conjunction with the first still, this second one is relatively suggestive, of a mutual caring and intimacy and mournfulness, which is perhaps a result of the angtsy atmosphere of the first still. Especially in contrast with the Lesli Kaye/CC still, which doesn't have much feeling going on at all. |
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| ekny | Nov 5 2009, 07:30 AM Post #107 |
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Abzug--agreed, w/in that context, yes. ![]() Cagey--what latest? Link pls? |
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| solitasolano | Nov 13 2009, 07:38 PM Post #108 |
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The money/subscription thing came up again for Venice. Bare with me. Read from the bottom up. CC poses the question, "Would you pay $9.99 for a season?" Read tweets as the first part is the question or comment to CC. Her response follows the </>. The fans will pay.
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| abzug | Nov 14 2009, 05:02 AM Post #109 |
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That's pretty fascinating, especially the bit where she basically says if people don't pay, then no S2. She didn't say exactly that--perhaps she meant if they don't generate revenue in some manner, then no S2, but that's not how it read given the space limitations of a tweet. My initial reactions are: 1. I guess panties don't quite cut it, eh? 2. Offering low res for free and high res plus extras for a subscription fee is probably a wise move. The low res will be enough for the non-rabids and new viewers, and the fanatics will pay. And if it's good enough, some non-rabids will turn into fanatics, and they'll generate even more revenue. I had another thought about Venice last week, and it actually connects to the main topic of this board. See, what happened was, I saw the revival of the musical "Ragtime" which is one of my favorite musicals (and this revival playing on Broadway right now is particularly exquisite). Anyway, the opening number of Ragtime is like everything the opening number of Bad Girls the Musical should have been and wasn't. And it reminded me that BG the Musical could have been great, and wasn't. Why? Because of nepotism and lack of talent. Chad basically gave it to her girlfriend as a gift, because her girlfriend couldn't ever write a West End musical on her own merits. And so what we got was a piece of hack work with basically no artistry in it. Which still makes me sad/mad, because I think the source material is perfect for a musical. Anyway, doesn't this sound a tiny bit familiar? Person with clout and success gives loved one an opportunity to actually WRITE and be produced, but doesn't have the perspective that said loved one actually isn't very talented. And thus what could have been great winds up being utter shlock and a total waste. I'm hoping Venice doesn't follow the path of BGtM, but it does seem eerily similar. |
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| solitasolano | Nov 15 2009, 06:39 PM Post #110 |
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And the hits keep on coming....a KimmyT tweet they received over 500 music submissions for the webseries. Ok, now I'm impressed, regardless of the quality. Talk about being able to take your pick. I got more the impression CC's tweet "no$ noS2" was more general beyond getting money from the fans as in still pursuing sponsorship, minimal if needs be. I suppose CC figures they can depend on the kindness of friends and strangers only so long before they want/need to be paid. Beyond that, CC tweeted TV already decided about the pay thing....announcement to be coming. btw, the price of panties has gone up. lol. |
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| tamla | Nov 15 2009, 07:09 PM Post #111 |
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I'm really happy that Crystal Chappel is back on Days Of Our Lives. I didn't watch the show in the 1990's, I watched All My Children and Another World which is now cancelled. I think that CC is so clever and smart to do a show like this and thanks to the Internet and Youtube, she's going to get many more fans. Since Daytime TV in the US is s Shell of it's former self, it's great to know that she has other "Irons" in the fire. Oh, for the British Fans, did any of you ever watch her work on Days Of Our Lives in the 1990's, Subscribe to Annieqc74 on Youtube, and you'll see what an amazing actress she is. Hey do you guys know that alot of fans would love for her to play The Helen Stewart Character if there is ever a US Version of Bad Girls, I think she'd be great!! |
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| solitasolano | Nov 16 2009, 10:47 PM Post #112 |
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Thought I posted this last night, but guess not....I imagine this major announcement is Venice premier date in conjunction with subscription viewing tiers. That would be tonight. Found this today...pantygate, the gift that keeps on giving cracks me up. Whatever it takes I suppose. I really don't mind.
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| solitasolano | Nov 16 2009, 10:48 PM Post #113 |
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Okay. No dialog, but based on this I'd hand over 10 bucks. I like that it's mostly medium shots or closeups. See 1 minute promo for season 1 here. To start Dec 4th. Music by Jen Foster. http://www.youtube.com/user/venicetheseries |
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| cagey | Nov 17 2009, 03:34 AM Post #114 |
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Certainly - I've handed over close to $9.99 for films of lesser quality that come with fabulous sound editing. I was most impressed by the outdoor shooting - that is not something I've seen a lot of in my webseries forays. But until there's some story to go with, it looks strongly to me, possibly especially because the actors and their characters are now so conflated, media-wise, like a bunch of straight girls behaving in ways that might, until the proper circumstances, look gay but do not definitely read lesbian from the get-go. Did anyone come away with a sense of the story? All I got was: JL is a friend to CC; Dad has a religious streak and there are several other characters who mean nothing to me. And there are nice sunsets at the beach. |
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| abzug | Nov 17 2009, 04:13 AM Post #115 |
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I agree I'd pay. What the hay. I should donate to Plan V as well. Put my money where my mouth is. The preview didn't show the conflict quite as much as I expected. I kind of thought we'd see some rageful, explosive kinds of scene, you know, like to give it a rhythm. But perhaps those aren't edited yet? Good use of music so far. |
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| ekny | Nov 17 2009, 04:22 AM Post #116 |
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That's what I expected all along, so no surprises there. (Honestly, I don't see how anyone could expect different, given the people involved.) Technically it was better than competent (assuming sound also follows suit). Don't think we're supposed to get story--still the biggest question/variable--just atmosphere. Which it did with reasonable success. Got no vibe off anyone other than CC & JL. (NB apparently is of the fixed-stare = lesbian interest school of acting. Predatory much? me = bored.) Otherwise... seemed fine, and did what it was supposed to--and no more. Which is as it should be: why it's called teaser. If it's technically competent, the camerawork continues to be properly-lit & not shaky, and the story is halfway adequate, don't see why it won't do well. In the end the story is what matters; I don't care about these people's husbands or babies or cup-sizes or interviews, &tc. Any of it. I just want some halfway decent product. If they deliver that--good on them. If not--all that's led up to this is irrelevant, except as a topic for post-game dissection. Anyone know what they're filming in? DV? Doesn't look it, but maybe digital has vastly improved since last I checked...? eta:
Agreed. Not my cuppa but appropriate & not-odious. :lol: eta2: make-up's too heavy on everyone. Less would = more realistic. Which given the excess of pretty is unlikely, I realize. But this just looked gloppy on almost everyone. |
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| solitasolano | Nov 21 2009, 09:10 PM Post #117 |
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Holy sh*t. I love this picture. Are other webseries doing this at all to pay production costs? What? No pink panties? he he. |
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| cagey | Dec 3 2009, 09:38 PM Post #118 |
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Looks like Venice will be taking another route to pay the costs. Unless and even if the first ep blows all my bad attitude to bits, I think I'll wait for the dvd -- if I buy anything -- From venicetheseries on twitter: # More details to come soon, but you will be able to subscribe from our site (www.venicetheseries.com) and there will be a DVD. # VENICE the Series premieres tomorrow, December 4, 2009 at 11pm EST/8pm PST! Watch it online at www.venicetheseries.com! # Subscription will include behind-the-scenes footage of VENICE and the all the fun stuff that happened on set! # The Big Day is practically here! First episode of VENICE is free and the rest of the season is through subscription for $9.99! |
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| abzug | Dec 3 2009, 09:58 PM Post #119 |
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Yeah, I'm pretty shocked by that news. I think it would be smarter to have a free period (a day, a couple days) where it's available in low-def, and then if you want high def, or want to watch it after the free period, or just want to get it from iTunes for convenience, then you'd pay. And the low-def version could have a 30-second commercial in front, or something like that, so they'd make a little revenue at least. On the other hand, I admire their chutzpah, because they're really trying to make it sustainable from a financial perspective, and I guess they figure if so many people spent $15 on a t-shirt, wouldn't they pay $10 to actually watch the thing? On the other hand, aren't they going to lose all casual viewers? I mean, that first episode is going to have to fucking rock to get anyone other than the rabid Otalia fans to shell out money to watch the rest of the season. And if halfway through the season their viewership is too low so then they decide to give some of it away for free, and I've paid a subscription fee, I am going to be PISSED. |
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| ekny | Dec 4 2009, 08:20 AM Post #120 |
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I think mainly it's (yet again) no business sense--and really unfortunate timing. If they'd said this before the shop opened & people spent money there--viewers would react differently, imo. Since they already claimed expenses for S1 were covered. If they set up the system to handle it even 2 weeks ago, that, too, would have been better. Most people who spent money at the shop probably understood it was to float operations; getting that, they would be favorably disposed to paying for the show, regardless. Because it's not reasonable to expect them to do the show for free for very long. But the first season--absolutely. Releasing this news 1 day before the first episode though... so not smart. I think they should go with a free first season in low-def--there's almost no way to avoid piracy anyhow, unless they go with a completely proprietary model like iTunes which slices their potential audience even further. All they do with this is put people off, both already-fans & potential viewers. They should monetize themselves & try to make a working go of this, absolutely, even if on a small scale. It's business--& common sense. Nothing wrong with that, & it's not even unreasonable to expect people to understand that. And $10 a season--the price of a movie sans popcorn--for an hour and half of tv is fair and sane. (Though I'd rather the free then pay-for-DVD model.) But doing it this way opens them up to a very different set of expectations from viewers, something their technical operations have shown no sign of being able to handle. Just for one, you put this stuff up on your site for free & the site crashes--people deal. Go away, come back, don't get pissed. You ask them to pay for it & that happens--nother story entirely. If they did get sponsors, they'd have to drop the pay-for or change the model yet again. Which is fine if they really mean they don't want to get picked up by cable or whatever, but--charging fees limits audience size. They need to pay their actors, camera-people, finance shoots--and keep the same actors around for more than 1 season. To do so, some form of payment arrangement was inevitable. But again... how they went about not-handling it--I'm just left shaking my head. How hard would it have been to have hired a competent web designer and a business manager? I know it's a start-up and about 10 different kinds of experiment, but I wish they'd get out of their own way. One of the hardest lessons in business is to figure out what you're not good at, cut yourself some slack, and delegate wisely. Before you compound your mistakes. |
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