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Undumped/unavailable known variations of unlicensed games
Topic Started: Feb 17 2017, 10:16 AM (2,702 Views)
NewRisingSun2


Based on the discussion in this thread, here is a short list that I have put together of variations of unlicensed games that are known to exist but are either undumped, or are dumped but the dumps are private or otherwise unavailable. Feel free to correct me or add to the list.

Go! Benny
Available dumps:
  • Asder version on Asder 20-in-1 multicart.
  • NTDEC version as "Corre Benny (Spain) (Gluk Video) (Unl)" in NoIntro.
  • Original Mega Soft version.
Missing dumps:
  • Caltron version. May or may not actually exist, but the NTDEC version has "Caltron Ind. Inc." tile pattern data. Probably included on the undumped Caltron 9-in-1 multicart.


Bookyman
Available dumps:
  • Original Huang Shinwei version as "Brush Roller" with standard Huang Shinwei music.
  • Caltron version on Caltron 6-in-1 multicart with new music.
  • Asder version on Asder 20-in-1 multicart with standard Huang Shinwei music.
  • NTDEC version as "Booky Man (Spain) (Gluk Video) (Unl)" in NoIntro with standard Huang Shinwei music.
Missing dumps:
  • Mega Soft version, depicted on the back of the Gluk Video "Booky Man " cardboard box (Gluk Video's actual cartridge shows "NTDEC" instead of "Mega Soft"):
Spoiler: click to toggle


Destroyer
Available dumps:
  • NTDEC version as "Destructor, El (Spain) (Gluk Video) (Unl)" in NoIntro.
Missing dumps:
Spoiler: click to toggle


Benico
Available dumps:
  • Asder version on Asder 20-in-1 multicart. Has graphical issues in attract mode.
Missing dumps:
  • Original Caltron version. May or may not actually exist, but the Asder version clearly has "Caltron Ind. Inc." tile pattern data.


JP Ronny
Available dumps:
  • Asder version on Asder 20-in-1 multicart.
Missing dumps:
  • Original Caltron version. May or may not actually exist, but the Asder version has what could be interpreted as "Caltron Ind. Inc." tile pattern data.
  • NTDEC version.


Magic Block
Available dumps:
  • Original Mega Soft version
  • Late NTDEC version as "Bloque Magico, El (Spain) (Gluk Video) (Unl)" in NoIntro. Has different music than the Mega Soft version.
Missing dumps:
  • Early NTDEC version with the Mega Soft version's music. May nor may not have been ever released, but the Mega Soft version still has the NTDEC graphic patterns in its data.
  • Caltron version. The NTDEC version clearly has "Caltron Ind. Inc." tile pattern data. Probably included on the undumped Caltron 9-in-1 multicart.


Menace Beach
Available dumps:
  • Color Dreams version
  • Wisdom Tree version ("Sunday Funday")
  • Hacker International version ("Miss Peach World")
Missing dumps:

Enjoyable Horse Racing
Available dumps:
  • Super Mega version (1991賭馬Racing, 1991 Dǔmǎ Racing)
Missing dumps:
  • TXC/Micro Genius version ("Horses Racing", MGC-009)
    Source: http://cah4e3.shedevr.org.ru/cartsbase.php (The page lists this as "dumped", but I think that refers to the Super Mega version. Since "Venice Beach Volley" is available in separate Super Mega and TXC versions, I suppose the same must be true for Horses Racing as well.)


Hit Marmot
Available dumps:
  • Mega Soft version
Missing dumps:
  • NTDEC version. May nor may not have been ever released, but the Mega Soft version still has the NTDEC graphic patterns (as previously mentioned here).


Fighting Hero
Available dumps:
  • Mega Soft version
Missing dumps:
  • NTDEC version. May nor may not have been ever released, but the Mega Soft version still has the NTDEC graphic patterns for the title screen (in an otherwise unused CHR bank at NES ROM offset 0x39010, visible with a tile editor.) and a 1990 rather than 1991 copyright date.
Edited by NewRisingSun2, May 11 2018, 01:21 AM.
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MLX
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Tu Ji (Raid) is dumped. Kaz wrote the dump script so I could dump my cart. Mapper 79.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/9z50q0nkzk38c62/Tu_Ji_%28TW%29_%28Joy_Van%29.nes
Edited by MLX, Apr 21 2017, 10:14 AM.
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kazblox


Oh yeah, and it's been a while since it happened, but the NES file for Adan y Eva just surfaced recently on No-Intro. So that's another one off the list as well.
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NewRisingSun2


Thanks everyone. I can now die happy.
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Rocman X
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To add to your list, there are some versions (Europe or Australia releases) of unlicensed games that don't seem to be dumped at all. I tried looking for all of these, and I could find NONE of them. My source for some of these versions is from this page:
http://forums.no-intro.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1008

At the end is a(n incomplete) list of NES games confirmed to be released in Europe and/or Australia, and there are some games I have never been able to find in their Europe ROM form, so they probably are undumped. Also, in the first section, there's a list of (mostly licensed) versions of games (such as Prince of Persia (Spain)) that were undumped the time it was written in 2005. However, almost all of those games have long since been dumped (my GoodNES set has most of them), with at least one exception I know of (or at least it seems to be).

Here it is:
- Arctic Adventure: Penguin and Seal (Australia) (Unl)
- Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy, The (Europe) (En,Fr,De) (Unl) - On this page: https://tcrf.net/The_Fantastic_Adventures_of_Dizzy, it states that there are some slight differences between this standalone cart version and the Aladdin version. It also states a palette change with a specific value of black that would be nearly impossible to notice on a real PAL NES, indicating that a ROM MIGHT exist of this version of the game, although it's possibly private.
- F15 City War (Europe) (Unl)? - F-15 City War is on the list of confirmed games, but I can only find an AVE USA release of the game (aside from the game being included in Maxi-15 Pack).
- Firehawk (Europe) (Unl) - Possibly same as USA version? A user named MrNorbert1994 ripped a PAL NSF of the game (although the pitch sounds 2 keys lower than it should), so there might be a ROM of that.
- Micro Machines (Europe) (Unl) - Possibly same as USA version?
- MiG 29 Soviet Fighter (Europe) (Unl) - Possibly same as USA version?
- Pyramid (Australia) (Unl) - I can find USA versions of the game, but not the Australian release (it's probably by HES, since the game was developed by Sachen)
- Super Adventure Quests (Europe) (Unl) - Confirmed to be the Europe version of Quattro Adventure (USA).
- Toobin' (Europe) (Unl) - Surprisingly, this is the only Tengen unlicensed game on the list. Possibly same as USA version?
- Ultimate Stuntman (Europe) (Unl) - Possibly same as USA version?

As I said before, I was unable to find any of these in ROM form, and I hope all of these will get dumped sooner or later. If any of you manage to find a ROM of any of these games, or dump the actual cartridge of these, please tell me.
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NewRisingSun2


I have updated my initial post with new information.
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Also it was recently discovered that CN-23 JP Ronny is a real thing. Features a NTDEC copyright on the title screen. I asked the owner if he wanted to get it dumped but he refused :/ So that would be your "original caltron version"

As for some more:
Toobin (feature Korean copyright)
Klax
Baby Boomer (feature updated copyrights)
Crystal Mines (feature Korean title screen)
Challenge of the Dragon (feature Korean title screen)
Menace Beach (feature Korean title screen)
Skull & Crossbones (feature Korean copyright)
Edited by MLX, Sep 26 2017, 04:54 AM.
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NewRisingSun2


I have added MLX' items to the list. As for Rocman X' items:
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F15 City War (Europe) (Unl)? - F-15 City War is on the list of confirmed games, but I can only find an AVE USA release of the game (aside from the game being included in Maxi-15 Pack).
Released by Gluk Video, available in the NoIntro set as "F15 City War (Spain) (Gluk Video) (Unl)".
Quote:
 
Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy, The (Europe) (En,Fr,De) (Unl)
Available in NonGoodNES 2016-02-20 set.
Quote:
 
Micro Machines (Europe) (Unl)
Available in GoodNES 3.23b as Micro Machines (E) (Unl).
Quote:
 
Arctic Adventure: Penguin and Seal (Australia) (Unl)
NoIntro names the current dump "Penguin & Seal, The (Asia, Australia) (Unl)", so I assume that they are identical.
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Firehawk (Europe) (Unl)
MiG 29 Soviet Fighter (Europe) (Unl)
Pyramid (Australia) (Unl)
Super Adventure Quests (Europe) (Unl)
Toobin' (Europe) (Unl)
Ultimate Stuntman (Europe) (Unl)
I am not adding them to the list until someone indicates that these actually are different in some way.
Edited by NewRisingSun2, Jul 8 2017, 06:51 AM.
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MrNorbert1994
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About my Firehawk rip:
That is nothing more than just a shameless changing the 7Ahex offset to PAL.
I noticed that the game dumped version detects what region console the game was plugged in.
So I just renamed the ROM as "Firehawk (Unl) (E) [!]" and it played a semitone lower in correct speed.
I need to fix the tempo in the NSF but that is going to be easy however...


To post something useful too as well...

I recently got this private dump of the European Dizzy (which strangely also detects region).
The guy who sent me wanted to have a PAL NSF out of it, however the tempo correction routine here is very complicated.
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Attachments: The_Fantastic_Adventures_Of_Dizzy__Unl___E_____.zip (179.34 KB)
Edited by MrNorbert1994, Jul 8 2017, 09:51 AM.
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NewRisingSun2


MrNorbert1994's European Dizzy dump differs from the one in NonGoodNES 2016-02-20 set by exactly two bytes (offsets include NES header):
Code:
 
Comparing NonGoodNES 2016-02-20 version and MrNorbert1994's dump:
000069F6: 12 27
000069F7: AA 9B

Edit: MrNorbert1994's dump is in NonGoodNES 2016-02-20 labelled "Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy (E) (M3) [Fix v1.01]". In other words, it's not the original dump, but a version that was "fixed" in some way, at leas if one trusts anonymous ROM tags. ;)
Edited by NewRisingSun2, Jul 8 2017, 10:04 AM.
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I have a tendency to rename dumps, to be more clear. : P
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Famulator
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Already dumped, but World Heroes 2 nsf lacks Mario's victory theme. There might be more but I'm not sure.
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MLX
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Might be worth making a NSF thread instead of hijacking this since there's a quite a few NSF that needs to be fixed.
(Or mention it on nesdev since that's where they are based)
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NewRisingSun2


"MLX"
 
Also it was recently discovered that CN-23 JP Ronny is a real thing. Features a NTDEC copyright on the title screen. I asked the owner if he wanted to get it dumped but he refused :/ So that would be your "original caltron version"
Can the owner be persuaded to take a picture of the title screen?
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Posted Image
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NewRisingSun2


Ha.

Posted Image

Should be accurate to the pixel compared to the real version. Not going to distribute these ROM hacks though, lest they discourage getting the true versions dumped.
Edited by NewRisingSun2, Jul 20 2017, 10:36 PM.
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NewRisingSun2
Jul 8 2017, 06:31 AM
I have added MLX' items to the list. As for Rocman X' items:
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F15 City War (Europe) (Unl)? - F-15 City War is on the list of confirmed games, but I can only find an AVE USA release of the game (aside from the game being included in Maxi-15 Pack).
Released by Gluk Video, available in the NoIntro set as "F15 City War (Spain) (Gluk Video) (Unl)".
Quote:
 
Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy, The (Europe) (En,Fr,De) (Unl)
Available in NonGoodNES 2016-02-20 set.
Quote:
 
Micro Machines (Europe) (Unl)
Available in GoodNES 3.23b as Micro Machines (E) (Unl).
Quote:
 
Arctic Adventure: Penguin and Seal (Australia) (Unl)
NoIntro names the current dump "Penguin & Seal, The (Asia, Australia) (Unl)", so I assume that they are identical.
Quote:
 
Firehawk (Europe) (Unl)
MiG 29 Soviet Fighter (Europe) (Unl)
Pyramid (Australia) (Unl)
Super Adventure Quests (Europe) (Unl)
Toobin' (Europe) (Unl)
Ultimate Stuntman (Europe) (Unl)
I am not adding them to the list until someone indicates that these actually are different in some way.
Unfortunately, Micro Machines seems to be a bad dump. It has various graphical glitches at the title screen and player select, and locks up the second the first race begins. Does anyone have a properly dumped version of this?
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NewRisingSun2


GoodNES' 3.23b's "Micro Machines (E) (Unl)" has Mirroring incorrectly set to "Horizontal" in the NES header. Use Nintendulator or Nestopia to modify the NES header by setting Mirroring to "Vertical".

And forgive me for being pedantic, but there is no need to fully quote an entire post just to respond to a single point. :nono:
Edited by NewRisingSun2, Jul 13 2017, 09:35 AM.
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The PAL version of Firehawk is supposedly different than the US one - according to one source, it doesn't have the Codemasters and Camerica logos on the title screen. Also, you said that there were 2 versions of Toobin', one the original published by Tengen, and a release for the Daou Supercom. However, there's also a seemingly undumped HES Australian version not mentioned (although it could still be identical to the Tengen release, but there's no evidence of that yet).
Edited by Rocman X, Jul 19 2017, 04:33 PM.
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NewRisingSun2


Updated the Toobin' and Baby Boomer entries to account for MLX' new dumps. Added entries for Hit Marmot and Fighting Hero.
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I think the NTDEC copyright Hit Marmot doesn't exist. All the singles I've seen have the Mega Soft copyright. So unless it appeared on some undocumented multi. Same thing for Fighting Hero.
Edited by MLX, Jul 23 2017, 08:46 AM.
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NewRisingSun2


If they exist, then maybe as prototypes. :P
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Right, I keep forgetting there's also Skull and Crossbones (Tengen) that got licensed by Supercom. But I have no clue if the copyright/title screen is any different. (Same thing about Klax by Supercom, I had one cartridge of that a long time ago but I don't remember if it had anything special, I found another but it's in a generic cart shell and might be a simple copy of Klax).


Edit: there's also a C5052-13 and HUANG-2 release of AV Jiu Ji Majiang II using Somari P boards, this version is likely to operate on mapper 116. The current dump is mapper 115 which is Ka Sheng's. But maybe it's the same. This is the only game in which the second revision of the Huang MMC was seen so it could be the first game using mapper 115 as well. (Maybe someone has a script for dumping mapper 116 games and we could make sure?)

Edit2: Got Klax, dump is identical to the US release, PCB credits Daou so unless there's another undocumented variant we can safely cross it off the list.
Edited by MLX, Jul 24 2017, 03:41 PM.
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I'm trying to get a PAL Firehawk copy, and then I'm possibly going to dump the thing.
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MLX
 
Maybe someone has a script for dumping mapper 116 games and we could make sure?)
As I understand the emulator sources, mapper 116 should be dumpable by the Mapper 4 script once you write value 0x01 to address 0x4100, which sets it into MMC3 mode. Try the attached script (untested).
Edited by NewRisingSun2, Aug 16 2017, 11:13 PM.
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So... I got the Firehawk cartridge, got this kazzo dumper and...
ballocks
It doesn't know Mapper 71 at all. -___-

Anybody have any suggestions what should I do with this from now on / someone would like to dump the thing?
So far I only dumped one cart of mine, an Educational Computer one with the help of cah4e3.
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Tested mapper 116 script with AVJiu, a Somari (P config, which is 116), Contra Fighter and it didn't work.
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MLX
 
Tested mapper 116 script with AVJiu, a Somari (P config, which is 116), Contra Fighter and it didn't work.
Then I have no idea.
MrNorbert1994
 
It doesn't know Mapper 71 at all
Mapper 71 is basically an UxROM variant. Try the attached script, which is a modified UOROM script.
Attached to this post:
Attachments: camerica.ad (388 Bytes)
Edited by NewRisingSun2, Aug 15 2017, 03:01 PM.
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Is there a way i can play .7z files on KEGA Fusion?
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mmsc123


The Australian version of Pyramid used EPROMS from AVE.
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MLX
 
AVJiu, a Somari (P config, which is 116), Contra Fighter
Wait: The Contra Fighter ROM I have uses Mapper 238. Do you assume that your Contra Fighter uses a different mapper?
Edited by NewRisingSun2, Aug 16 2017, 11:14 PM.
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Both scripts returns were complete 0xFF with the Somari P cart.
As for Contra Fighter, it's listed on nesdev wiki and cites CaH4e3 as the source.
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MLX
 
Both scripts returns were complete 0xFF with the Somari P cart.
That indicates that there is some kind of protection that is not replicated by emulators, and not described on the wiki page, because it isn't necessary to run the games once one is in possession of a ROM image. I can try some more, or you can tell me that you've had enough, and I'll stop. :) You could also ask CaH4e3 for dumping instructions.

MLX
 
As for Contra Fighter, it's listed on nesdev wiki and cites CaH4e3 as the source.
Then the existing dump must be from a different cart.
Edited by NewRisingSun2, Aug 16 2017, 12:10 PM.
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You're the one doing the hard task. I don't mind at all on my end.
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NewRisingSun2


Both Somaris do a strange write sequence at the beginning, which I am now replicating. That could be just a normal MMC1 serial register load, but that is usually done with one value and an LSR loop, not five unique 7-bit values. Of course, only the Somaris do this; the other Mapper 116 games just go straight into MMC3 mode, so I may be on to nothing at all. In any case, try this with Somari-P.
Edited by NewRisingSun2, Aug 16 2017, 11:14 PM.
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MMC3b:
Somari P: 0xff again

MMC3a, MMC3b & 116 (first one)
AV Bishōjo Senshi: gives a partial working game (PRG seems OK, CHR is mostly wrong)

mmc1:
AV Bishōjo Senshi: good title screen, bad character select, good VS screen, bad fighting scenes

EDIT:
Tried dumping again, now the output is not 0xff but rather a 256KB file that doesn't boot.
Edited by MLX, Aug 16 2017, 12:47 PM.
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NewRisingSun2


Attached find Kazzo dumping scripts for mappers 115 and 116, verified by MLX to work.
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Attachments: M115_116_v5a.zip (951 Bytes)
Edited by NewRisingSun2, Aug 17 2017, 10:31 AM.
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Rocman X
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Sorry this topic has been dead for several months, but...
Apparently Super Adventure Quests has been dumped, as can seen by these posts:
https://krikzz.com/forum/index.php?topic=1975.0
http://www.jammarcade.net/dumping-a-nes-cartridge/

Unfortunately, I can't find a ROM for this version of the game. Can anyone tell me where it is?

Also, MrNorbert1994, have you had any luck dumping Firehawk?
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mmsc123
Aug 16 2017, 05:05 AM
The Australian version of Pyramid used EPROMS from AVE.
What does this mean? I thought EPROMS was some kind of saving thing...
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NewRisingSun2


Bump. I have removed games with no more undumped variations from the list, and added a few new variations.
Edited by NewRisingSun2, Mar 30 2018, 12:55 PM.
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NewRisingSun2


Revisiting Silent Assault/突擊 again:

You may remember that the the Chinese-titled Joy Van version of 突擊 (Tújí) that was dumped more than a year ago differed from the later English-titled Color Dreams and Sachen releases in that the music was slower, and that the mines on the floor of the first level were missing, among other things.

There must exist a later version of 突擊 that is like the Color Dreams and Sachen releases, meaning faster music and with mines on the first level's floor, yet with a Chinese title screen. (It's kind of disturbing to think that the Color Dreams version, as bad as it is, is already a revised version.)

I know this because there is a pirated floppy disk version (catalogue number R023) for the Turbo Game Doctor 6M with just those attributes, and the pirates certainly did not take a Color Dreams version and slap a Joy Van title screen on it, because if they had done that, the game's mapper code would not look like the Joy Van version's but more like the Color Dream version's.

This later Chinese version of the game is therefore undumped.
Edited by NewRisingSun2, Jun 11 2018, 12:47 PM.
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