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15in1 investigation
Topic Started: Aug 24 2010, 10:07 AM (6,981 Views)
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I finally go the parcel from Barver (Thanks a lot !) with that 15in1. So first when you put the cartridge this is what you see:
http://img801.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot.jpg/
If you press select:
http://img507.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot1g.jpg/

The Legend (Street Fighter IV):
http://img375.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot2.jpg/
http://img651.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot3.jpg/
Note that voice samples are different and there's a "ready" for one secons before fight start. Aslo on the VS screen, the character stop before the middle of the screen.
Also note that the game is less hard and you loose less energy when you get it by a special move.

The Hummer:
http://img299.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot4.jpg/
http://img830.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot5.jpg/
http://img835.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot6.jpg/
Note: the act text flashes when you start a level. I'm not able to access to CaH4e3 site, could someone give me the level select code to see if it works ?

Pink Jelly:
http://img267.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot7s.jpg/
http://img830.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot8.jpg/
Note: Panda adventure with some minor differences. When you arrive at the end of the screen, there's an altered DKC4 win music that plays with a black screen.

War:
http://img834.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot9h.jpg/
http://img843.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot10.jpg/
http://img841.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot11p.jpg/
You are the military on bottom of screen and you must kill these stranges guys to end a level. Sometimes, items appear. YOu can grab them pressing B + down
Note: Reuse ALL altered music of DKC4 present in EWJ3 NSF !!! Reuse DKC4 and EWJ3 graphics. Reuse the funky EWJ3 music when invincibility.

Hacker (Jack):
http://img294.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot12.jpg/
http://img227.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot13.jpg/
http://img90.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot14.jpg/
It's Harry's Legend but levels are mixed up and some enemies are different (like the old woman (HL) has a gun) (in picture !).

When you hit 2 times an enemy (fast), the 3rd attack will be a kick instead of a punch. The enemies are different, there's for exemple a cooker and a maid-servent.

Heroine (Rose):
http://img155.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot15.jpg/
http://img828.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot16.jpg/
http://img541.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot17.jpg/
http://img835.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot18.jpg/ EPIC FREEZE

The chicken at the begining is crazy. It moves very fast. Also note that there are NO WAYS to kill mouse because Rose do not have a low kick attack and the punch do not affect them (even duck + punch).
Also the game freeze when you die in water...

The Duck:
GUESS WHAT ? It uses the hidden DKC4 music (#9 or #10 in NSF) !
http://img409.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot19.jpg/
http://img178.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot20.jpg/
http://img835.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot21.jpg/
When you end a level it plays DKC4 "when you die" music
Note that the title screen bottom part is scrolling (green/yellow).

The Egg:
http://img409.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot22.jpg/
http://img827.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot23d.jpg/
Nothing very different except that the birds lays eggs and you loose -50 points when they hit the ground. You get game over when you get less than 0 points.

BEACHHEAD:
http://img821.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot24.jpg/
Reuse Panda Adventure graphics with different colors. Different music

Jungle War:
http://img715.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot25.jpg/
...

Adventure:
http://img715.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot26.jpg/
Same :D

Gorge:
A select screen ! Will the game be different oO ?
http://img251.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot27.jpg/
http://img26.imageshack.us/i/eyetvsnapshot28.jpg/
No.

Peace Sea:
Reuse Panda graphics with funky colors like BeachHead (with character select)

Bridge:
Like Jungle War... (with character select)

Green Evil:
Like Adventure with character select

I'll do a video showing some games you chose. Please request them here.
I can provide more screenshot, ask me what you want ;)

Also the board has these numbers:
A4 - 6264 - PC5 - 0450 - 94V-0 - T411191
Also a chip: HD74LS20P - 3A26
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Note: the act text flashes when you start a level. I'm not able to access to CaH4e3 site, could someone give me the level select code to see if it works ?

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I'd like to see a video of Hacker, Heroine, and The Legend.
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Ok ! Any other request so I can make the video now including what other people want ?
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I kinda want to see Pink Jelly and War also.
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Ok ! It will be uploaded on youtube in few hours.
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I wonder if "The Legend" is a re-release of an updated version of Street Fighter IV. Also, can you beat that one so that can you check to see if the ending is different?
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I'll try but as you know the boss may be unplayable due to the difficulty. But yes I'll try to.

The video is comming soon !
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I don't impressional~

If it's not too late, I'd like to see The Hummer. Possibly a few seconds of each level, if the level select still works-- it looks like the background is slightly different in Spring Yard.

Edit: Never mind; it's the same, just palette-swapped. Incidentally, is the music still identical to Somari in The Hummer?
Edited by codeman38, Aug 24 2010, 11:41 AM.
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Too late, the video can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY4An2OtuFs

I'll do another video for The Hummer. Please wait a bit ;)

EDIT: I think the music is similar, I'll do a special video for the Hummer.
Edited by MLX, Aug 24 2010, 11:46 AM.
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Wow, those samples in The Legend (aka SFIV) sound REALLY broken or something. It just sounds like static.

Hacker actually looks pretty good. There was also a waitress in Harry's Legend's tiles also. I have to admit, I like how when the old lady shoots, the recoil knocks her back. Everything else seems well animated that Harry's Legend really seems like a gimped version of it.
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Guess what ? Musashi is still unplayable. I was able to beat him ONCE but after he was even more hard to beat. So I lost (took 4 seconds to die).
I guess you'll have to TAS it to see the ending when it'll be dumped...

EDIT: If anyone is interested to see the Hummer, I can do live footage using Skype.
Edited by MLX, Aug 24 2010, 12:31 PM.
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Sounds like Musashi has the SNK boss syndrome.
Oh by the way, you said it's going to be dumped soon. Is it still September/October-ish or is it sooner then you originally said?
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In October. Should not be later.
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I remember when the demo for Marble Zone came up for Hummer. It could be because I haven't played Somari in a long time, but the graphics felt different somehow. Maybe it was just the palette? Does anything else seem different to you?

And hope you enjoy your boxed Somari ^_^
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Little question. If this multicart has no title screens on Jack & Rose, then does that 3-in-1 multicart with Titenic have them?
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I do not know. Maybe the Titenic title screen is just a player select screen. On the 15in1 the game start just after selecting it. Maybe in the rom there are some tiles for a Title screen. You'll have to wait the dump...
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There probably is, I did see a "PLAYER SELECT" in Harry's Legend with the hex editor.
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So I've played further in Jack and guess what ? After a while you switch to Rose. It means you need to play both games. If you start with Rose you finish with Jack and the reverse if you play Jack first.
I've made some videos, some are pure fails but the videos show some very interesting content.
Also note that in 16_24 you can see when it switches from Jack to Rose at the very begining.
I didn't recorded all stages and sometimes started recording in the middle. Don't blame me but the videos would have been up to 150mb if I would have do that.

DOWNLOAD ZIP (103mb): http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NKP17MT1

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So the game wasn't really split, Heroine just started on Rose's level. The graphics are really (scaringly) too good to be a pirate's seeing how all the stuff is custom. I'm thinking about ripping the sprites when you dump the cartridge.
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When it'll be dumped, the hardest part will be to find the good mapper. I may ask to CaH4e3 to help me.
The scariest part is when the water is going up. You don't have the right to fail.
Also I went to the last boss. It is hard as hell. Also if you are interested to see more, send me your Skype (PM) so I can do a live footage.
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If the game has rising water and Harry's Legend could do that even though it didn't, would that mean Titenic was first?
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During this long evening I've found out that The Legend ending is... well... FULL OF CLIFF !
I let KingPepe explains...
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Ok, well quite a bit happened with the Skype Live...

The Legend
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  • It's ending is somewhat different from SFIV...I'll let you find out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8c1WjsJfCM
    The ending loops also unlike in the original SFIV.
  • With the clones removed, they're also removed from 1 Player Mode meaning you only need to fight through 4 people.
  • For some crazy reason, they swapped Rober's and Stalong's portraits around.


The Hummer
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  • Yeah, it's Sonic & Knuckles 5 hacked. Music is all the same.
  • Spring Yard Zone is all grey and blue and not purple instead.
  • Level Select is all messed up, go figure
  • The sign post has Hummer's face right on it but it still has Somari's hand (different colors though obviously).


Titenic aka Jack and Rose aka Hacker and Heroine
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  • Further down in Jack/Hacker, there are more Harry's Legends levels although with different enemies and they're all split up.
  • Jack and Rose have a waiting animation unlike Harry. Jack is seen painting a picture and sitting on a stool while Rose is seen at a table (OUT OF NOWHERE) sipping tea. (I wonder if they really did watch Titanic)
  • Jack's bosses are all the same. It's a guy in a suit (colors are different) that can shoot at you and dash straight toward you.
  • Hacker + Heroine has debug mode as well with the rising water AND...co-op mode! Yes you can have Jack fight aside with Rose and vice versea although it did act funny (although MLX DID say Heroine was glitchier so it could be that)
  • Jack's A+B attack is a rushing elbow attack takes away some health. Rose's A+B attack is a high kick that takes no health. This is odd seeing how Harry uses a projectile for his attack. (Then again, Harry is a bit different)
  • The professors (boss in Harry's Legend and that other one in the debug mode) don't appear ANYWHERE in the game. The fat kid and the hoodie don't appear anywhere either. Also as far as I can tell, there's no island or underground in the game meaning that Harry's Legend made some custom stuff on the way.
  • Rose does have a 3-hit combo like Jack but MLX didn't seem to show it in his video.


War
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  • Not only does EJW3 and DKC4 stuff appear BUT Final Fight 3's graphics also appear in the game as well. The parking lot had New Junk City music and I can't remember what the bar had.


He's also showed me a ton of pics as well such as various JY and NT carts AND a box for AV Bishoujo Senshi Girl Fighting that he will post along with the carts. (Also the Magic Bubble cart has a hole in it...heh...there's a hole on the cartridge of a hentai game)
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Hell yah, coop mode found at last! And it's better than Harry's Lege-- WAIT. HOW IS THAT FREAKING POSSIBLE?! An earlier game has better coding than it's update?!

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So I was finally able to beat Titenic (Jack & Rose) and look at the end !
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Hummer Cheng and Carroll !

My new guess is that Silvers Lin is Hummer Cheng. Silvers Lin was on top of the team (Hummer Team). He was a programmer. In TTA6 Hummer Cheng is credited for no reason and NSF is present as it. Silvers Lin probably ripped the NSF from TTA. Music guy and Silvers Lin could be the same. (Also by the fact that Hummer is in the nickname).

Also if they weren't, where would Hummer Cheng would have learned programming ?
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Good find, if Carroll and Cheng were in the credits then it could be a Hummer Team production that was originally unreleased. What I find weird though is, if Harry's Legend came afterwards then how come it's much more well-known?
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I think the fact it was dumped is the reason why it's well known and it probably got around more with pirates stealing it (possibly, that game had like 2 different IDs for it's cart). Also Harry's Legend came on the single cart. (Not sure if there's a titenic one)
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ooh credits, awesome.
I dont think Hummer Cheng and Silvers Lin are the same person though. theres no reason he would have used two different names between games by the same company.

there could easily have been two programmers - maybe Lin mostly programmed platform games and Cheng usually did the fighting games? Lin AFAIK is only credited on DKC4, Aladdin and TTA6, and Harrys Legend always felt kinda like it was a platformer built on a fighting engine to me, what with the kick attack and relatively large sprites.
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Also the fact that Harry's Legend is a MMC3 game ! It was dumped in 2003 so it's more likely companies got it in their hand after CaH4e3 released it.

Well there are no ending on a fighting game so you cannot prove anythign that Silvers Lin didn't programmed these.
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yeah, true, its just a theory. but both Lin and Cheng are credited separately on DKC4, for programming and music respectively (assuming Hung Hsiang Lin is Silvers Lin's Chinese name.. might be worth checking out some Chinese C&E games to confirm that) so I'd say they're definitely different people.
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Good find, if Carroll and Cheng were in the credits then it could be a Hummer Team production that was originally unreleased. What I find weird though is, if Harry's Legend came afterwards then how come it's much more well-known?
It isn't. There would have been more people credtied if it's from Hummer Team. It's more likely only 2 or 3 members stayed in the team.
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Also the fact that Harry's Legend is a MMC3 game ! It was dumped in 2003 so it's more likely companies got it in their hand after CaH4e3 released it.

Well there are no ending on a fighting game so you cannot prove anythign that Silvers Lin didn't programmed these.
I'm gonna ask CaH4e3 if he modified the mapper, because.. well, he did that on Panda World.

And too bad there's no even buried credits in HL...
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You showed us that already, I think. :P BTW, where's part 2?
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Now I'm really wondering what the connection between Somari Team and Hummer Team is. There's definitely some commonality between them, given that both their games have shown up on this cartridge. Not to mention a hack of Somari called "The Hummer"...
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Now I'm really wondering what the connection between Somari Team and Hummer Team is. There's definitely some commonality between them, given that both their games have shown up on this cartridge. Not to mention a hack of Somari called "The Hummer"...
I think it's fair to assume that Abab Soft is made up of staff from both companies given that. One thing that I wonder is if Titenic claims ownership to any company, seeing as only four people made it apparently.
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personally I think they were both the same thing. no game used the Someri Team name after 1994, no game used the Hummer Team name before 1995. there were probably divisions at times but they always seem to merge back together in the end. or at the very least it was probably a Gamtec/Chuanpu/everyone else in Taichung- kinda situation where two or more companies just worked fairly closely with one another, sharing staff and technology and whatnot whenever they needed to.
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If they aren't the same person (Hummer Cheng/Silvers Lin). Why he would have stayed in Hummer Team if he wasn't working ? (TTA6 and stuff, also the fact that EWJ3 is pretty lazy about music).
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yeah thats true, there are a whole bunch of games from around that time that dont seem to involve Cheng .. but maybe Titenic was originally made in late '97/early '98 (around the time of the movie's release, and also the time the "Hummer Team" name stopped being used), then Cheng left and the remaining members made TTA6 and FF3 with stolen music.
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And for KoF96 which was made in 1998 ? It has original musics. Also the fact that ABAB Soft popped up in 2003. The games were for sure already finished but these would have made in 1997 for being released in 2002 - 2003 ? wtf.
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i'd guess that Titenic was made in 1997-8, but it was turned into Harrys Legend before it was released.. the popularity of Titanic was declining after that so probably no one even thought of releasing the original version until ABABsoft came along. but the other games released by ABAB (all the single screen stuff) were probably made much later.

as for KOF '96, that one seems to have been released in weird circumstances anyway. it was probably finished sometime before '98, and the ending was just changed at the last minute.
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When we go further this make less and less senses.
KoF96 was made in 1998. No doubt on that. SF97Z2 was made during late 1997 seeing what NT id it uses. Also the fact that KoF has a SF97Z2 music in the NSF.

For me it was made in 1998. Also didn't you notice that it uses the same JY code as Final Fight 3 and TTA6 which are both the lastest Hummer's games.

Also we do not know when ABAB was active. They were probably already working in 1999 - 2000. And for me Harry's Legend is just a hack of it changing some graphics. The fact that it is mainly found on new multis make me wonder if it was really released before Titenic.
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It didn't just change graphics but it also changed a bit with controls and gameplay. Harry lost his jump punch, has only a single attack and shoots out a projectile. Also all the enemies do touch damage instead of just actually attacking you.

I think Titenic came first though because we've seen parts of it in UMK4's coding (and one of the tracks sound similar), it has credits unlike Harry's Legend, there's unused stuff right in, (although this might be something like SMW with the incomplete version having graphics of enemies in the full one. The only thing is that the waitress in Harry's Legend's tiles doesn't have all her sprites) and the graphics make more sense on Titanic. The reason Harry's Legend is known more is probably the whole MMC3 thing and the fact that (possibly) Harry Potter is way more well known then Titanic.
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I think Titenic came first though because we've seen parts of it in UMK4's coding (and one of the tracks sound similar)
I just realised something. If UMK4 had coding from Titenic then wouldn't that mean it was made in about 1998?
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Yes, also it do not have coding, it only include some names of some characters that appear in Titenic. Which means the game was probably at the planning time. They used MK4 code to test some stuff and forgot to remove it.
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i just noticed the font used to write "Harry Potter" in Harrys Legend is the same as the one used for ABABsoft's URL on their multicart menu .. Hummer/etc never used it before. so maybe Harrys Legend was actually only created (hacked from Titenic) by ABABsoft in 200-something? it never showed up anywhere before 2003 as far as I know.
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CaH4e3 dumped a single Harry's Legend cartridge in October 2003. If it was only released on a 4in1 by ABAB Soft. then the time that it was released then extracted from the 4in1 then remade on another cartridge, then it would have took 1 year easily.

For me Harry's Legend was made by Hummer Team, the changes are to important to be a simple hack by another developpers. They wouldn't have noticed some stuff.
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For me Harry's Legend was made by Hummer Team, the changes are to important to be a simple hack by another developpers. They wouldn't have noticed some stuff.
Moment. Wasn't Hummer Team the part of the ABAB Soft at the moment? All I think about is that ABAB simply rehashed their existing game. Haven't these bastards reused some music from (maybe) their EWJ3?
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Moment. Wasn't Hummer Team the part of the ABAB Soft at the moment? All I think about is that ABAB simply rehashed their existing game. Haven't these bastards reused some music from (maybe) their EWJ3?
Not exactly Hummer Team, just a few members.
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taizou
Aug 31 2010, 02:32 PM
i just noticed the font used to write "Harry Potter" in Harrys Legend is the same as the one used for ABABsoft's URL on their multicart menu .. Hummer/etc never used it before. so maybe Harrys Legend was actually only created (hacked from Titenic) by ABABsoft in 200-something? it never showed up anywhere before 2003 as far as I know.
Ah, that's because it's from one of the many versions of EA's DeluxePaint. And it doesn't really prove anything year-wise, since the latest version of DPaint is from 1990. :)

Edit: Although it might've been that Hummer only used DPaint later in their career, one of Hummer's other fonts very closely resembles the "Comic" font from DPaint, which I converted to TrueType as DPComic.
Edited by codeman38, Sep 1 2010, 07:18 AM.
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