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Sintax and their 93+ games
Topic Started: Sep 21 2010, 08:19 PM (11,149 Views)
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just compiled a few Sintax ID numbers from various sources: (now updated!)

ST-0206002E Harry Boy Second Edition: The secretx of the chamber of secrets (english)
ST-0206003E True Thre Kingdoms (english)
ST-0206005E Donkey Kong 5: The journey of over time and space (english)
ST-0206007 指环王 (Lord of the Rings) (Chinese)
GT-0210009C Star Wars 2 (Chinese)
ST-0210010C 真三國無雙II (True Three Kingdoms II) (chinese)
SAT-0212014C Tai Kong Bao Bei (Lilo and Stitch) [Jump Technology]
ST-0211015E 2003 Digimom Sapphii (english)
JP-0301018C Crash Bandicoot 2003 [Jump Technology]
ST-0301019C Lion King 3
ST-0301020C Quan Ba Tian Xia
ST-0210021C Super Robot War X
ST-0211022E 2003 Pocket Monster Carbuncle (english)
ST-0304027C 神鬼帝國之惡魔城 ("Castlevania of the Ghost Empire" or something) (Chinese)
ST-0306030C 重装机兵/METAL MAXⅡ
ST-0306034C Dragon Ball Z3
ST-0310041C 大话西游/Saiyuuki
ST-0425072C 口袋宝贝火红/Pocket Monstor-Red (Fire Red)
0405073C Pokemon Leaf Green
ST-0405075C Metal Slug II
ST-0405077C 越南战役3 (Metal Slug 3) (chinese)
ST-0409078C Super Sonik II (chinese)
ST-0409084C 口袋妖怪-白金版/Pocketmon-platina
ST-0409085C 口袋妖怪-绿宝石/pocketmon-emerald
ST-0502092C 勇者斗恶龙/Dragon Quest
ST-0504093C 口袋宝贝-珍珠/Poketmon-pearl

GBA:
ST060112C Ge Dou Jian Shen

im guessing the format is ST-YYMMXXXL, where L is E/C for English/Chinese, YY=year, MM=month, XXX is a sequential ID no. which would mean Sintax made at least 78 84! 93!! games. and that probably doesn't even include their GBA stuff. so even given their habit of rehashing old shit, thats a lot of damn games out there. And i want to find them!
ooh yeah, one other thing about Sintax. Even though their first known games seem to have been released in 2002, this old version of their website:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030603184947/www.st168.net/esintax.htm
says they've existed in Taiwan for over 10 years before focusing on the China market, and that they have "experiences more than ten years in TVGAME(GB/GBA/FC/SFC/SEGA) designing, developing and hardwares producing."

a Taiwanese trademark search does indeed reveal this:
http://tmsearch.tipo.gov.tw/TIPO_DR/servlet/InitLogoPictureWordDetail?sKeyNO=083067692
a trademark registered by Sintax in Taiwan from late 1994, with an address in (where else) Taichung!

so they clearly weren't bullshitting when they said they'd been around for 10 years, or that they had Taiwanese origins.. and itd explain their ties to Gamtec and Vast Fame if they started out as part of that whole Taichung cluster of companies. question is, just what the hell were they doing until 2002? I guess with them saying "hardwares producing" they might just have been a generic clonemaker, but nothing like that has ever turned up (to my knowledge) with their name on it.
oh yeah, one final thing. THIS.
http://popbuying.com/detail.pb/sku.2.8__LCD_GBA_NEG_GEO_GBC_SFC_MES_Emulator_Game_Console_Media_Player-28794
check out the box! its even written with the same chinese characters. same company? yknow.. i hope so. it'd be nice if those bastards were still out there somewhere. even if they don't have a website anymore.
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Neat, I always looked at those IDs and somehow never was able to make them out. Here's the only other Sintax games I own, which I haven't posted about since I wanted to wait till I try to dump them heh.

SAT-0212014C Tai Kong Bao Bei(Lilo and Stitch)
JP-0301018C Crash Bandicoot 2003
ST-0301019C Lion King 3
ST-0301020C Quan Ba Tian Xia
ST-0304028C Metal Gear II

No doubt JP Means Jump Technology, and SAT is Saturn Technology. Kind of odd, since even though Lilo and Stitch says SAT in the number, it's credited to Jump Technology on the box.

The one GBA game I have from them, Ge Dou Jian Shen, has an ID of ST060112C. Kind of shorter than the GBC ones.


Anyway this is big news, I remember when I first saw Sintax's site and was under the impression there's only like 32 games. Looks like I've got a lot ahead of me now :o

Edit: Was looking at the wrong serial codes at first, corrected everything now.
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do you have any ideas about dumping them btw? i'm still having no luck with pretty much all my unlicensed stuff. i've been in touch with Martin Nielsen of 64scener/NES World, he owns a bunch of different GB copiers but he still hasn't been able to dump any of his Sintax games.
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Incidentally, a bit of Taiwanese calendar trivia, to make further sense of that trademark registration:

The Taiwanese government uses the Minguo calendar, which is the same as the Gregorian calendar except that the year 0 is 1911, when the Chinese republic was founded.

So "094/11/30" is actually 30 November 2005.

However, the trademark was initially registered on "084/12/01" - which is 1 December 1995. So it's still valid evidence that these guys were around in Taiwan during the 16-bit era!
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094/11/30 is the expiry date I think - i was looking at 083/11/04, the initial filing date. which would be 4th November 1994 afaik.
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Sep 22 2010, 07:55 AM
094/11/30 is the expiry date I think - i was looking at 083/11/04, the initial filing date. which would be 4th November 1994 afaik.
Ah, right. Still, this is something that needs to be explained for the other forum members who aren't familiar with Taiwanese dates-- it confused me at first, to be sure!

Edit: Now I want to know what these guys were doing during the 16-bit era. Maybe they published some of the the SNES/MD ripoffs of licensed properties (Mulan, Pokemon, etc.) that we've been crediting to Chuanpu? Would make sense, given their GBC output primarily consists of knockoffs of licensed properties...
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Yeah, true - the first time I encountered that system was on Gamtec's old site I think, it was quite a while before I realised they werent founded in 1978.
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Edit: Now I want to know what these guys were doing during the 16-bit era. Maybe they published some of the the SNES/MD ripoffs of licensed properties (Mulan, Pokemon, etc.) that we've been crediting to Chuanpu? Would make sense, given their GBC output primarily consists of knockoffs of licensed properties...
Yeah, maybe.. X Boy seems to have published a lot of those though. but it wouldnt surprise me if Sintax was involved *somehow*.

edit: though i still find it odd that absolutely nothing has surfaced pre-2002 with Sintax's name on it - they were certainly never shy about using it after that.
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Ooh, I'm finding even more interesting stuff:

Apparently Sintax makes car stereos and video CD players. And, of course, MP4/game players, but we knew that one already. Definitely seems to be the same Sintax, given that they're in Guangdong and that they mention making video game software.

This page for nominations for an educational software award in Bologna mentions "Enjoy With-Me, Sintax Technology Co., Ltd., Taichung, Taiwan. R.O.C." This is from 1997. So finally, something that's surfaced before 2002 with their name.
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ooh nice find. Maybe they were mostly PC developers before 2002 - i know pretty much nothing about Taiwanese PC games, so that'd explain a lot.
that said, their trademark filing does specifically mention cartridges. Hmm.
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More proof of Sintax's existence in Taiwan prior to 2002: this page from a Taiwanese educational software exhibition in 1999. The characters in the 4th entry in the list should look familiar.

Interesting that all the hits I'm finding relate to educational PC software...
Another one for the listing: ST-0304027C, a Castlevania game that is apparently not the same one as Castlevania EMO Demo. http://blog.yam.com/fujishima/article/2176634
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one version of their site definitely mentioned both Castlevania DX and Castlevania R.. maybe that's R? Or a completely different one, even.

I'll keep the list updated with people's findings, anyway.
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On that trademark page, I've got no idea what the 4th November 1994 (083/11/04 if you don't know) date means seeing as I don't have the Chinese typeface installed on Firefox but I think that'd date the company to have originated before then. Also, I don't know much about trademarks, but if Somari's trademark was registered in a few months then why did it take 10 years to register Sintax's? BTW, I just noticed that on their website it says that they had more than 10 years experience in "TVGAME" which (as long as it isn't a translation error) would mean that they've been around since at least 1993.
BTW, has anyone actually tried sending an e-mail to them? :P
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you can see what all the dates mean on the english version:
http://tmsearch.tipo.gov.tw/TIPO_DRE/servlet/InitLogoPictureWordDetail?sKeyNO=083067692
it just doesn't include as many details.

that email address didn't even work in 2004 though (when they were presumably still in business) - http://64scener.com/gb/unl-3king.htm

edit: they had a new email listed in 2006 - http://web.archive.org/web/20060206032636/http://www.st168.net/
sintax@vip.163.com, could be worth a try.

edit2: nevermind.
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There are more e-mail addresses on this 2004 version of the site - but they, too, are both invalid. sintaxtrade.com doesn't even have a DNS entry, and the Hotmail one bounces as inactive.

Edit: LOL, they also flat-out nicked the wording of that page off of Nintendo's site, and forgot to change all the references to Nintendo.
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Sintax
 
Where better to get your game tips than straight from the pros at SITAX?

Sintax
 
SITAX offers a comprehensive game play counseling service


Good to see that their typos have consistency. :P Also, what's with the Super Tortoise banner at the top? Did Sintax make a ripoff of one of the TMNT arcade games or something?

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tried another one from one of those trade sites, sintax@163.com - it hasn't bounced yet, lets see what happens. (probably nothing)
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Also, what's with the Super Tortoise banner at the top? Did Sintax make a ripoff of one of the TMNT arcade games or something?

yeah i was wondering about that.. i don't think i've seen any other reference to it apart from that one banner. Its probably out there somewhere though.
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do you have any ideas about dumping them btw? i'm still having no luck with pretty much all my unlicensed stuff. i've been in touch with Martin Nielsen of 64scener/NES World, he owns a bunch of different GB copiers but he still hasn't been able to dump any of his Sintax games.
Well, I was planning to get that GB Transferer 2 cable that you had, but now that you've said that I have my doubts. I know Martin must have lots of copiers, so if he can't get a single one to dump and neither can you, it's probably a waste of money for me to get anything then...x

It seems like the No-Intro group have experienced dumpers, perhaps sending the games to them for dumping is the only option available, since it seems like it's not even possible to dump anything without some programming help.

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the one thing im not sure about is whether you could actually get a working copy from the dumps I have - i don't know if the dumps are complete but just protected somehow, or if theyre actually corrupt/incomplete. if theyre complete but just need descrambling or whatever, then i wouldn't need to actually send the carts anywhere (except FFIX and the multi). but i've yet to find anyone who can tell me either way. Forgot about No-Intro though, that might be worth a try.
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I've been wondering that myself. I take it you've tried finding someone already to send the ROMs you dump to? Probably not an easy task :/ And I personally don't like sending stuff away constantly heh. I still never got back my A'can games I had dumped.

New game for the list btw:
ST-0306034C Dragon Ball Z3
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I've asked around a few places, I can't seem to find anyone. although I have pretty much zero idea of where people with any kind of GB technical knowledge might hang out. I think most of the GB pirate roms out there come from Chinese dumpers, but I dunno where I'd find them either. apart from Sky League maybe.

but yeah I can't even afford to send carts around the world at the moment.. if there was someone in the UK that could dump them, thatd be ideal. but there probably isnt.
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Yet another one

ST-0210021C Super Robot War X
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thanks! i've seen that one before but the ID was cut off. i wonder if Pokemon Sapphire/Carbuncle is based on the same engine? (especially since it seems to have been the next release sequentially)
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thanks! i've seen that one before but the ID was cut off. i wonder if Pokemon Sapphire/Carbuncle is based on the same engine? (especially since it seems to have been the next release sequentially)
Not to mention that Pokemon Sapphire has a ROM header of "ROBOT WAR v3.0".
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Found another one buried in some email pics :) Doesn't say ST at the beginning though, just the numbers.

0405073C Pokemon Leaf Green
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Not sure if it has much relevance here but I just realised that Donkey Kong 5 may be a hacked version of Super Mario Bros. Deluxe. The level designs are identical (obviously) and the save select and map screens look the same from what I remember of SMBD. Then again, not really that surprising considering that Sintax was involved. :P
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i'm not sure, it does look like a very close copy design-wise, but the physics seem off to me.

btw i dunno if people have seen this already but NusuttoSan mentioned yet another variation on that game in the comments on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru9V6fLk8fs
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I own a hack of this game, called "Digimon Amethyst: The Dangerous Journey of Deviloom." All they did was change the intro, title (which features Greymon from Digital Monsters 3 and the T-Rex from Jurassic Boy 2) and graphics. Your "titful" (Sintax's word, not mine) hero is Bub from Bubble Bobble, who can evolve into...Agumon. Yep. Story involves the hero's sister being kidnapped during a storm or something. Level 4-2 has a WAY TOO DARK palette...
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i'm not sure, it does look like a very close copy design-wise, but the physics seem off to me.
Good point. Then again, they could've done what Yong Yong did (with Rockman 8) and change the engine. :P
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completely unrelated but i just found what Little Taichi is based on, a Taiwanese cartoon:
http://www.magicplay-ent.com/taichikid.htm
Gamtec even had a PC game in development based on it (and I guess theirs might have actually been licensed, with them being in Taiwan too). but I don't think it ever came out.

edit: actually Sintax's game was licensed too! its on the official site:
http://www.taichikid.com.tw/
merchandise page: http://www.taichikid.com.tw/series/series01.htm

so Sintax actually did have the rights to make one of their games. who knew.
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For that Little Taichi game, wasn't that made in 2008? :huh: (That's as far as I can tell from the text from the website at least)
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where'd you see 2008? AFAIK its one of their older ones. probably from around 2002 or something.
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Sep 24 2010, 03:55 PM
where'd you see 2008? AFAIK its one of their older ones. probably from around 2002 or something.
Some scrolling text on the page that said
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榮獲 行政院新聞局第二屆數位出版金鼎獎「最佳數位動漫創作獎」、2008貴陽亞洲青年動漫大賽「最佳動畫片」大獎。

I could be wrong but I think 2008 is referring to the year. If so, then wouldn't that mean Sintax outlived V.Fame?
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i'm not sure, it does look like a very close copy design-wise, but the physics seem off to me.
Yeah... it doesn't seem to me like a direct hack so much as a shot-for-shot remake. Things aren't quite aligned the same on the DK5 screens as on SMB Deluxe.

And LOL at the Digimon hack version. Sintax's Engrish is brilliant.
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where'd you see 2008? AFAIK its one of their older ones. probably from around 2002 or something.
Some scrolling text on the page that said
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榮獲 行政院新聞局第二屆數位出版金鼎獎「最佳數位動漫創作獎」、2008貴陽亞洲青年動漫大賽「最佳動畫片」大獎。

I could be wrong but I think 2008 is referring to the year. If so, then wouldn't that mean Sintax outlived V.Fame?
ah, thats the website for Taichi Kid the cartoon, Sintax had nothing to do with that. they just developed the game based on it.

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And LOL at the Digimon hack version. Sintax's Engrish is brilliant.

yeah, im now a big fan of the word "titful". i might have to start using it in conversation.
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where'd you see 2008? AFAIK its one of their older ones. probably from around 2002 or something.
Some scrolling text on the page that said
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榮獲 行政院新聞局第二屆數位出版金鼎獎「最佳數位動漫創作獎」、2008貴陽亞洲青年動漫大賽「最佳動畫片」大獎。

I could be wrong but I think 2008 is referring to the year. If so, then wouldn't that mean Sintax outlived V.Fame?
ah, thats the website for Taichi Kid the cartoon, Sintax had nothing to do with that. they just developed the game based on it.

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And LOL at the Digimon hack version. Sintax's Engrish is brilliant.

yeah, im now a big fan of the word "titful". i might have to start using it in conversation.
Oh, I was sort of wondering why the page looked more professional than Sintax's. :P How very titful of myself. :lol: BTW, looking at info on that cartoon, I'm guessing the game was made in 2002 like you said.
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I just came across some Metal Slug game in an auction with a Chinese copyright registration number (the same type Waixing always seem to use) rather than a Sintax ID, so I looked it up.. and it turns out Sintax actually registered 74 of their games! its not a complete list but theres lots of stuff on there I've never heard of before. i've compiled it all here anyway:
http://fuji.drillspirits.net/stuff/xin.html
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Wait a minute... "饿狼传说/Mark Of The Wolves" released in 2003? Same one that's credited to SKOB, I wonder?

Also, "太空宝贝" (2005SR2720) has the English title "Space Baby" according to Sintax. I'd call it "Lilo & Stitch"...
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ah, I missed Space Baby. thanks!

and yeah, I was wondering about that Mark of the Wolves.. could well be the same one. I have it credited to "Fiver Firm" though.
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A couple of the games on that list seem to be vaguely interesting to me. The Alien VS Predator one (while unlikely) is possibly ripped off for Shenzhen Nanjing's AvP game, (Yi Xing) I think Conora 8 is supposed to be Contra 8 so that might be vaguely interesting if it isn't a cheap hack and "The Lord of the Rings-the legend of Fighter" is probably inspired by/led to the inspiration of the Mega Drive LotR game. (which is a hack of that Chinese Fighter game) What I don't get is, if Sintax is Taiwanese then why would they use Chinese registration numbers? Was it for regional releases or something?
Also, who thought it'd be a good idea to port WoW to the Game Boy? The PC game is a waste of time as it is. :lol:
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I guess there's proof now that Final Fantasy Unlimited Saga is from Sintax. That's sure a hell lot of games I'll probably never see in my life :P Lots of them are probably at a Tiny Toons 3 level of rarity now.

I wonder if 新石器时代 has anything to do with Gowin's game of the same name.
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What I don't get is, if Sintax is Taiwanese then why would they use Chinese registration numbers? Was it for regional releases or something?
well they started out in Taiwan but moved to China. Something like that anyway. But they do seem to have retained some Taiwanese connections, maybe the HQ moved to China but they kept an office in Taiwan.

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Also, who thought it'd be a good idea to port WoW to the Game Boy? The PC game is a waste of time as it is. :lol:

If thats not just a hack of True Three Kingdoms or something i'll be very surprised :D

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I wonder if 新石器时代 has anything to do with Gowin's game of the same name.

I dunno.. Stone Age was quite a popular online game in Taiwan AFAIK, and Gowin's game was officially licensed. Sintax's .. probably wasn't. Although Little Taichi was, so who knows.
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(going off-topic here) I just realised something, if those are the standard registration numbers in China then what's to say that Waixing produced those cheap 16-bit consoles like the Zone 40 and such?
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well because the copyright numbers in those consoles are actually registered to Waixing. you can look them up here (on the slowest site ever): http://124.193.201.195/cpcc/RRegisterAction.do?method=list&no=fck
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Barver
Sep 26 2010, 05:00 AM
I guess there's proof now that Final Fantasy Unlimited Saga is from Sintax. That's sure a hell lot of games I'll probably never see in my life :P Lots of them are probably at a Tiny Toons 3 level of rarity now.
Wow, you're right, I hadn't even noticed that.

This also means there's an English version of it-- in SpaceNinja's Big Sintax Post, there's an "English Treasures" game titled "Crystal Age". I'd been wondering what the heck it was since I found it on Sintax's archived site, and given that copyright registration, it's obviously FF Unlimited! Now I only wish I could find the English version...
Edited by codeman38, Sep 26 2010, 10:22 AM.
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Has there ever been any confirmation that Sintax aren't the developers to most/all of their games and they're actually made by someone else? From what I remember, Unlimited Saga is pretty up there in quality(though no doubt the music at the least is stolen). Put up against many of their other works, its hard to imagine it's the same team behind it. Unless it's a later release and the quality of their work improved as they got later in their life cycle.
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well their first few games (at least) were developed by BBD, it even says as much on the title screen. my guess would be the better ones were made by BBD, the ones that arent as good (or are just cheap hacks of the BBD-developed games) were done in-house by Sintax. though it wouldnt surprise me if they used other external developers too.
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taizou
Sep 27 2010, 06:55 AM
well their first few games (at least) were developed by BBD, it even says as much on the title screen. my guess would be the better ones were made by BBD, the ones that arent as good (or are just cheap hacks of the BBD-developed games) were done in-house by Sintax. though it wouldnt surprise me if they used other external developers too.
Wouldn't surprise me, seeing as companies like Micro Genius published games by other pirates and created their own games as well.
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Got more new IDs. I assume we're still noting these since that huge list of copyright registration numbers isn't in order. Plus this shows the number goes past 78.

ST-0310041C 大话西游/Saiyuuki
ST-0425072C 口袋宝贝火红/Pocket Monstor-Red
ST-0409084C 口袋妖怪-白金版/Pocketmon-platina
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Wow. Just wow!
And many of these stuff are unavailable for us. Just imagine the sheer amount of typos!
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DO NOT LET OTHERS CONTROL YOU
KEEP STRIVING FOR MORE POWER
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ST-0405075C Metal Slug II

I got Metal Slug X-behind enemy lines also, but it only has a Chinese registration number, no consecutive release number.

Oh yeah, and I'm starting to get sick of Sintax. This game took the cake :X
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Oct 12 2010, 09:30 PM
ST-0405075C Metal Slug II

I got Metal Slug X-behind enemy lines also, but it only has a Chinese registration number, no consecutive release number.

Oh yeah, and I'm starting to get sick of Sintax. This game took the cake :X
why? O:
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