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My litters
Topic Started: May 21 2014, 06:41 PM (825 Views)
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I will use this topic to talk about my current litters, breeding plan and side stories with pictures.

My first litters have arrived.. a little late for my feeling but that's whats happens if you cut down on your herd to 2 doe's and lose them both to a dog attack.
Well.. i got 3 new doe's and all kindled the past week but sadly the netherland dwarf lost her litter.. it could partially be my fault. Im about to move out and my parents are pressurring me, they made me relocate the animals and that's what i did with the pregnant females. Though the same afternoon the last doe kindled, i picked her up and brought her back with the buck.. also re-bred her with another buck who im borrowing. I just hope my parents wont notice until i sort things out.

The first doe is a breedless chocolate vm. Its hard to find chocolates around here and after losing my doe's, i grabbed anything that looked close to what i like.
Im happy she is a false dwarf because im having a bad experience with dwarf doe's.. they have small litters and lose a bunch of babies. Im not used to that since i always used false dwarf doe's.

This doe Kayra had 5 kits.. 1 black and 4 chocolates. They are lutino carriers and i hope to keep 2 choc doe's but it seems like all 4 of them are bucks and the black one is the only female.. if i confirm that, i wil be pretty pissed off. Just thinking about the possibility makes my head hurt. I put so much effort to get my hands on chocolates and stay away from blacks..

They are bigger than this now.. i would have taken new pics but they are staying at a girlfriends house
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Kayra
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The sire, Nova.. he is genetically black and carries chocolate, satin, rex and non-extension.. a true blessing.
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The second litter is Azura's. She is the daughter of Nova.
This litter is a little bit confusing. She was bred with the buck of the previous owner, before i took her home. That buck (black rex dwarf) is also from Nova but different dam. The next day, at home.. i wanted to check if she had taken from him, so i did a test breeding with a buck of my own and she lifted, and took from the second breeding which i thought was odd. I assumed that she take because of the stress of 1.5 hour train ride home? Because when the litter was born.. i had to figure out which buck would be the daddy since there was only 12 hours between both breedings. Good thing the first buck was black rex and the second buck was lutino chestnut (Shadow). So if any agouti was born, it would be the second buck.. if not, i would lean towards the second buck. The second, agouti lutino buck carries self so if the whole litter is self it could still be from the agouti lutino but very unlikely.
Well the litter is born.. 3 are black rex (what a coincidence) and 1 lutino (Dove) looks to be genetically black. So that tells me that the first breeding with the black rex buck was succesful.. why? Not only are all kits self but 3 rex. The agouti buck could be rex carrier but that's not confirmed.
And i still dont understand why the doe wanted to be bred the second day.. normally a doe would reject any buck about 8 hours after breeding, right?

The lutino with normal, straight whiskers..
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The blacks all have curly whiskers.. these are my first rex babies evar. I normally dont like rex at all but these are kinda cute.
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Azura the black satin false-dwarf. Carries rex.. and hopefully chocolate and non-extension too, but not yet confirmed.
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The buck she was bred to. He looks better in real life than on this pic. I have owned his mother.. she was a black rex satin dwarf. I regret giving her away too.
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The third doe.. Cherry the chocolate netherland dwarf. She is a very exceptional character and makes noises hysterically.
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She is rebred to Terminator. A chestnut lutino (shadow). Half-sibling to Nova. He will be going back to his owner on saturday and i didnt get anything out of him during his stay here. So i really do hope Cherry gives healthy babies next month and raises them.
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These are currently the rabbits i have. 2 bucks of which 1 borrowed and 3 females. But i will be getting 4 new kits this week.
3 are lutino carriers.. a black, blue and chocolate. They are out of my lutino buck that i bred myself and sold. (biggest regret evuuuur).
And 1 lutino doe. The daughter of Terminator and the mother is the lutino doe that i sold (another regret).
But with these kids i will partially get back what i have lost from my old herd.. so that gives me hope.

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Edited by Disney, May 21 2014, 07:01 PM.
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So glad to see you have kits again. Lovely! Thrilled for you after you have suffered so much heartache with your breeding program!

But sounds like you are back on track!

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Congrats on the new babies! They're sweet and I always love seeing your adults. :wubz:
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Congrats...glad to hear you are getting your program back together and even managed to recover some of your own lines.

The dice roll aligning genes sometimes seem really loaded against us! Hope at least one of your chocolates turns out to be a doe after all. But even the black will be a chocolate carrier. Surprised - it doesn't look like any of the kits are Vienna marked?

Kayra is gorgeous! Might be 'breedless' but looks like a nice solid body with a type compatible with the rest.

Incidentally - with two breedings within 12 hours it is entirely possible that your litter has two fathers. This has been proven by breeding a solid doe to a charlie buck (which produces all brokens) and to a solid (which produces all solids). Implantation 'should' be within 8 hours - but shutdown of egg production following that isn't instantaneous -- especially if for any reason the pregnancy only 'took' in one horn of the uterus. I know several breeders who re-breed the doe the next day 'to increase litter size'. There are also rare reports of does delivering 2 litters a full week or more apart - assumed the first pregnancy took in one horn and the second litter in the other.

You noted the black rex sire was out of your lines...do you know if he is a lutino carrier? I'd really consider the possibility that the 3 black rex kits are his, but the lutino kit is from the second buck.

Cherry is adorable and type-wise a great match for Terminator. Fingers crossed for you on that litter.

And lovely new juniors too!


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There are 2 vienna marked in the chocolate bunch. One has a small blaze and the other has TINY white spot.. and with that i mean like 3 strands of white hair. I just hope there is a female between them..

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Hmm now im a little worried haha. I know of the 2 uterus things but i thought a female would rarely accept a second breeding during pregnancy..
I used to rebreed my doe's a couple times within the first 8 hours to increase litter size but i have the feeling it's useless so i only do it within the first 2 hours and then leave it be.

The black rex buck is from the same lutino sire as the doe Azura. So both are lutino carriers and chance of lutino is 25% from that pairing. The last clue is whether that the lutino kit is self black or agouti based. It looks to be black, so im leaning heavily towards the rex buck.
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Lovely kit! Love the little blaze. Fingers crossed for a doe!

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Hope it's a doe! What a cutie.
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lol -- I wouldn't have a clue how to tell whether a lutino is self-based or agouti based.

I think it's rare for a pregnancy to take from a second male after more than a few days, but there isn't any magic number -- the shorter the time between breedings, the more likely it is to happen.

I always either leave my does with the buck for at least 24 hours (for the ones that get along) or rebreed (to the same buck) two days in a row. Can't say whether it makes a difference in litter size given that I always do that. But I haven't really noticed that the doe is any more likely to reject the buck the second day. Really more the opposite -- does that were reluctant to lift the first day are often more interested the second.
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I usually rebreed three times... either once in the afternoon, once at night, and once in the morning... or from morning to night 3 times. Most are willing to take to the buck all times. It's not likely that a rabbit can tell if she's pregnant or not... especially after only 12 hours.
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Some time ago, i bred 2 doe's.. One was bred 10 times with the buck and the other doe 4 times and both had 5 kits. After that i didnt really care anymore.

I also had tried mating with 2 different bucks with a time interval of around 12/14 hours. A bew doe by 2 bucks.. the first breeding was with a rew at around 7pm and the second buck was a bew who mated her the next afternoon between 12 and 2pm. All kits where colored VM and sired by the first buck. So the second breeding was not succesful and i kinda forced the doe the second time because she wasn't willing.

Here is a black and chestnut lutino.. half siblings.
The black is lighter colored with a blueish hue/tinge. The chestnut is just diluted to orange like non-extension and has the agouti markings.
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ah - those agouti marks are a pretty clear giveaway!

I think it is far more likely that all the kits are from the first buck. The 'two fathers' scenario is possible, but far less likely. Occam's razor -- in the absence of evidence to the contrary, the simplest solution is best.
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I went to check Kayra's litter again today and my fear becomes reality lol.. the 4 chocolates are bucks and the one doe is black.
Now i dont know whether i should sell the whole litter or keep the doe and maybe a chocolate buck. And if i should re-breed the doe or just send her off as well. She is very agressive and attacks if you stick your hand inside the cage. Strangely i only have this happen with chocolate doe's out of breedless lines. 3 of the kits even screamed when i picked them up and they almost fell out of my hands. They are some crazy little buggers..

Im about to check a small room inside a appartment where i can move to with my 2 dogs and i hope i can bring along the rabbits.. i dont want to give them up. But that also means i cant keep as much as i used to.. i had most of them in a colony setup and now i will have to get a 3 high flat or something inside a tiny room. I hope everything goes okay. Im sick of being worried of losing my animals and letting go things that are dear to me.

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And today i went to check on Azura's litter. Their eyes have opened as well. :)

The lutino is a female :) yay
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The female rex. Hopefully lutino carrier.
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And the last 2 are probably bucks
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Too cute! Especially the pic of the rex doe. :wubz:
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The lutinos are so cool!
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