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My litters
Topic Started: May 21 2014, 06:41 PM (826 Views)
Disney
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I dont know why but my camera suddenly hates me.. i can't get it to focus on the rabbits and take clear pics so i have been using my cellphone recently and i hate it.

Here is my new lutino female, the daughter to Terminator. She is chestnut underneath with a slate blue under coat.
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The blue and black sisters from blue netherland dwarf x lutino black
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Disney
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And here is the buck who came in with the blue and black. He will be my second breeding buck to really focus on the champagne lutino color who are genetically chocolate. Black is such a boring color that nobody likes so yeah.
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And i got some new pics of Kayra's litter with the 4 bucks and 1 doe. I decided to keep 2 of them. :) Can you help me pick a buck?

Black doe
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Buck also vienna marked/carrier because he has a few white hairs on his forehead
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False dwarf buck.
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Buck. He has his fathers ears, which i dont like so not keeping this one.
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Buck. Probably keeping this one. True dwarf and no vienna gene and love his overall type and head.
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NeuBunny
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lol - I like the second buck best -- he just seems more alert and upright. But since he's false dwarf, probably not a good choice.

Of the others I like the first buck -- but you have a better sense of what you are going for with type and whether vienna is good or bad for your program.
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I like blacks. :lol:

The last buck is my favorite.
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I like the second one too but it's the vienna gene and the false-dwarf is a no go.. the last buck looked flawless, until i made a discovery today. It seemd like all 3 solid kits have white hairs on their chest and im wondering if its the vienna gen or something irrelevant that is caused by the unexplained modifiers? This made me cancel the plan of repeating this breeding for a chocolate doe and put the mother for sale. Also doubting if i should keep any kit from this litter.. in my mind i already detached from keeping a buck and i hate it. I dont want to get more kits with random white hairs further down the road and get scolded by my co-breeder for ruining the whole line. What should i do?

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The black doe has it too, but i think i will keep her for a while and see what happens. I dont want to throw away everything from the mother to the whole litter and call it a waste. I traveled 6 hours, waited 2 hours on the train and spend around 50 euros to get there.. and this is a frustrating result for my first litter of the year and im not sure if i should continue like this. I keep messing things up. I feel like i should stop with this mess before im stuck with many rabbits like last year again.

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NeuBunny
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Most likely the white hairs indicate a vienna carrier. Tricky gene that sometimes is completely invisible and other times gives vienna marks that make the animal half white! Other possibility is one of the genes responsible for 'stray white' (appear to be a large number of different recessive genes that cause this -- they commonly crop up in virtually any rabbit that has a broken in the last several generations).

Given that you are working on a rare gene (lutino) starting with mixed breed stock, I wouldn't let either vienna or a few stray whites stop you from keeping the best of the litter. Getting the proper combination of type genes that you want together with your lutino is a higher priority than eliminating stray white. Yes, it may be a pain later, but breeds that have been established for 50 years are still working on stray white. And if it is vienna (1 gene) it will be relatively easy to test breed (to any BEW) and eliminate later.
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What i find strange about this is.. i did 2 similar breedings last year with a solid x VM.
And each kit out of 14 from 2 different pairings, all ended up with the same issue as this litter. Half of the kits had either a white nose and a snip on the head or they had stray hairs around the chest. The interesting part here is that i got to learn more about modifiers. The dam was a heavy marked VM like a dutch pattern, blue eyed, and the sire was a clean netherland dwarf.
So it seems like the sire who lacked vienna modifiers, surpressed the modifier genes of the female strongly and this resulted in light marking on the kits.
I also had a bew doe bred with a non-vienna male, all 10 kits had little markings with brown eyes, and later bred to a VM blue eyed male with decent markings, suddenly all kits were blue eyed, even the chestnut and all had heavier markings than the previous litter.
The modifier of both parents add up to each other, even if one parent is solid without carrying the gene, he still plays a role in the outcome of the pattern and amount of white markings on the kits. That's what i have observed from various breedings. Anyway that is another story.

But i decided to pull back on the buck and not keep him. There is a breeder in belgium who is interested in the lutino and wants to start out with a breeding pair. I already informed her about the vienna gene etc, but she still wants to have a buck from this litter and if it happens to be vienna, she wants to use it in her blue eyed polish programme. So all is good. :)

I also got to visit Azura's litter at my friends house. But annoyingly, i couldn't get decent pictures of them. They were so jumpy and were trying to skydive. I was scared one of them would fly over the balcony. I only got pics of the lutino. My battery went from 25% to "not enough energy to use camera" when i got to the rexes. :doh: But good news, it seems i have 2 female rexes and 1 buck instead of 2 bucks and 1 doe.

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