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Smoke Pearl odds
Topic Started: May 8 2015, 11:24 PM (392 Views)
volz83
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Tri color in Hollands is referred to a broken pattern with a brown or in Lilly's case llilac base coat with spotting over the base color. Really pretty :)
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wildrabbits
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So does this mean broken magpies aren't excepted as tri colors?
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NeuBunny
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Broken magpies only end up with 2 colors ... black and white from magpie, and more white from the En. So they don't qualify as tri-color. Technically both magpie and broken magpie can be shown as broken (colored and white patches, with between 10 and 90% color) in most breeds, but the majority of judges are biased towards the 'normal' broken pattern (and at least around me, biased towards spots and against blanket patterns too), so they aren't going to do well.
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Would love to see pics as well!
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wildrabbits
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What about broken blue/lilac/chocolate magpies Neubunny? Wouldn't these also have 3 colors??
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NeuBunny
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No ... magpie by definition is a harlequin (black, blue, chocolate, or lilac) in which the orange is replaced by white (chd gene). So, for example, blue magpie is blue and white. Adding a broken gene just adds more white.

In contrast, blue harlequin is blue and fawn. Add broken to that and you do get blue/fawn/white ... which is a (dilute) tricolor. Depends on how the standard/COD is written whether that's accepted. I would have to look through my standard to see which, if any, breeds accept tricolors and whether they are just the black version or all 4 possibilities.
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wildrabbits
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Please do check for me Neubunny for I would love to know. For some reason I kinda thought broken magpie colors would have silvering in their coats as well as white and the base color but I also have never personally seen a broken magpie colored rabbit before :$
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NeuBunny
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so sorry ... totally forgot about this until someone else had me looking up something in the standard last night...

Rex and minirex accept tricolors. All the lops EXCEPT for American fuzzy lops also accept tricolors.
Rheinlanders are always tricolor (required to have black and orange spots on a white coat) but are such a specific pattern as to be their own case.

I've seen harlequin dutch (white just the dutch markings, so don't think this is the usual tricolor based on En) ... they were quite striking. Most were brindled, but if I recall correctly, at least one had the face split. I don't think they have a COD.

I thought there was a COD out for tricolor in the mini-satins, but can't find anything on it.

So ... fewer breeds than I was expecting.

And I also did a bit of looking at broken standards (lots of breeds allow brokens) to see whether magpies would fit. Unfortunately, all the ones I looked at call for both ears to be colored .... which means a proper magpie with one black ear and one white ear would be disqualified if entered as a broken.
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wildrabbits
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Thank you so much for checking Neubunny! I kinda had the impression most lop breeds accepted tricolors but I didn't realize it was all but Fuzzy lops. Have you by chance heard of anything new as far as breeds accepting astrex or angora rex/opossum rex furs? I think Astrex AngoraRex furred magpie and pearl lops would be gorgeous! Like wooly sheep bunnies :bundance2: <3
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NeuBunny
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nope... getting totally new breeds accepted is a LONG process. Lionheads only got in a couple years ago, velveteen lops have been working at it for decades. Lately it seems a few of the European breeds are being imported and accepted ... e.g., Argente Bruns recently and there is a COD for Czech Frosty. Nothing wooly. We seem to have a problem even getting new colors accepted in the wool breeds ... Chocolate/Lilac otter Jersey woolies failed 3rd presentation and had to start over based on 'inconsistent nail color' (not mismatched white/dark, all the nails were colored, just some lighter on one animal), and the red JWs failed on a paperwork error. English angoras have a COD for brokens which keeps struggling, and Giants (currently only white) are trying to add black.
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wildrabbits
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How sad!!! I suppose some people will just continuously have to work that much harder to keep certain genes alive and together for certain rabbits..
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