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| volz83 | Jul 29 2015, 12:55 PM Post #1 |
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Of course Silvia had to have one kit in her current litter I am puzzled about. Silvia is a Sallandar: aa,B_,cchd_,Dd,ee so she carries cchd instead of cchl. The sire was my buck Hershey, a Siamese Sable carrying dilute and rew. I have this kit, pretty sure it started off as a sable point, maybe blue point but now I'm not so sure. I have had both sable point and blue points born in my rabbitry and pretty familiar with the colors as newborns. Two things that always stick out on both color is: some sort of shading on the flanks of the belly and pink skin color around the base of the necks (I can post pictures for example if interested). I have had Siamese Sables born in my rabbitry and they are always a solid color all around, no side flank shading and no pink skin color around the neck, all uniform color (besides points of course). So this kit, it was born pink and has slowly developed color each day. It is a solid color all around, no side flank shading, no pink color around the neck. The dam did throw a super, extremely clean blue point in a past litter with no flank shading and barely any color, most color was on the tail and it was more of a lilac color. Pretty sure mom and dad do not carry chocolate but you never know. Anyways, again I know when eyes open up and eyes are a little larger (so hard to see color when eyes just first open up) I will know if dilute or pointed. I was just wondering what your guess it might be? Could the cchd throw any funky colors or mess up any colors? Here is the kit at 6 days old today. She has a slate blue gray color throughout with obvious points now (face/ears/legs/ and especially the tail). On day 5 it has developed ticking, a darker ticking. Kind of looks like a mix between sable point/very light blue point and a himi lol Either way, it sure is cute! |
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| sidd-says-gimme | Jul 29 2015, 05:22 PM Post #2 |
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Could be a chilled PW or blue point. |
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| volz83 | Jul 29 2015, 07:12 PM Post #3 |
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Be cool if it was a himi, it is possible, dad carried rew no idea what mom carries as hidden C |
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| wildrabbits | Jul 30 2015, 08:42 PM Post #4 |
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I am still trying to figure out all the different pearl genotypes to phenotypes. My friend has a mixed lop from some of my bloodlines who seemed like a blue chinchilla color during youth but he now looks like a sable point at about 5 months age. A few genotypes kinda come to mind for the dramatic color changes, AacchdcchlEe/aacchdcchlEe/Aacchdcchlee really stick out in my head but I honestly don't know ANYTHING yet for sure because I haven't personally studied or worked with cchl in my lines before. I have to note here that from personal speculations, AaCcchdEe seems to have big coat color changes depending on season. The red parts in the coat tend to be white during winter and reddest during summer for matured rabbits. I am guessing _acchdcchl with e would have a similar kind of effect with the difference being heterozygous cchd causing white where the red in the coat from cchl would be during season changes?? Maybe one of you could shed some more light on known gene interactions when working with cchl genes?..I have to brush up on the info for it |
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| volz83 | Aug 2 2015, 09:09 PM Post #5 |
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Well it's eyes are open, opened up today. Don't look like red eyes of a pointed white. It does however has a strong ruby cast, can blue points have a ruby cast? |
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| wildrabbits | Aug 3 2015, 12:44 AM Post #6 |
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As far as I know any kind of blue(dd) genotype carrying a gene/s that cause the reddening of the eyes(cchl, ch, c, ext.) can show this effect to one extent or another. Heterozygous cchl, ch, c and homozygous bb show the reddest eyes I think. I am not sure if Bb genotypes alone can have a slight visible red eye effect or not though. _e and ee genotypes seem to really help make some hidden genes become more visible and noticeable in differing phenotypes from my experiences though.. |
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| sidd-says-gimme | Aug 3 2015, 05:20 AM Post #7 |
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sidd says stay gold
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Blue points can have ruby cast. I wonder if it could be a blue sallander? |
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| volz83 | Aug 3 2015, 12:31 PM Post #8 |
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Thanks both of you! Never thought of a blue sallandar either. Here is the kit today at 12 days old! Is it just me or are those eyes really red cast? Might be a little hard to see it in the pictures but in person it is very red cast, it was the first thing I noticed when it's eyes first opened up. It is the most extreme red cast I've had yet. Does it look blue/dilute or a sable point or sallander? Either way, it is so cute! |
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| sidd-says-gimme | Aug 3 2015, 05:46 PM Post #9 |
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sidd says stay gold
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Definitely either a darker blue point or blue sallander. Eyes on young babies often look weird, so I never really judge based on that unless wondering if something is REW/PW. |
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| volz83 | Aug 3 2015, 06:05 PM Post #10 |
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Ok so for sure dilute then. If it's a decent doe, I'll keep her to start up in dilutes. |
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| sidd-says-gimme | Aug 4 2015, 05:47 PM Post #11 |
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sidd says stay gold
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Yes, definitely a dilute! Hopefully she turns out really nice! |
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| volz83 | Aug 5 2015, 01:20 PM Post #12 |
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Just took pictures of her (hopefully a girl) today and I just can't help how red it's eyes are. It is making me think perhaps a lilac base? Although very rare, it is possible both parents could carry chocolate but again very rare so most likely not. I just never seen a blue point with this strong of a ruby cast however I do agree with you Sidd in that it does look like one. Again, either way, it is cute! |
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| sidd-says-gimme | Aug 6 2015, 08:19 AM Post #13 |
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sidd says stay gold
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Doesn't look lilac based... that would be much much lighter. Everything varies... even eye cast! Some of my shadeds have none at all, while others of the same color do. |
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| volz83 | Aug 6 2015, 09:13 AM Post #14 |
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Yeah shaded colors can be so darn tricky! I agree, doesn't look lilac base after seeing that color in other pictures. I'll update this post when it's 4 weeks old I think by then the eye color should be set. Thankfully I don't have any self chin seals this litter. The two seals have brown eyes, no blue!
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| NeuBunny | Aug 10 2015, 03:45 PM Post #15 |
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smoke pearl point? aaB-chl-ddee? chl (even carried) will add a ruby cast to eyes which is very pronounced on kits (often fades as they age). Over blue-grey you can get some true purple eyes. alternative aaB-chd-ddee ... blue sallander (which in angoras we show as blue pearl). Eye color should be blue-grey (but chd can also mess with eye color). |
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I think by then the eye color should be set. Thankfully I don't have any self chin seals this litter. The two seals have brown eyes, no blue!
1:39 PM Jul 11