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Fawn vs Orange
Topic Started: Jan 23 2016, 08:59 PM (255 Views)
volz83
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Ok so as many of you know, I just started in the orange (wideband) group/color in my Hollands. I know cream is the dilute vs of Orange (in Hollands). So my confusion is fawn vs orange. It is my understanding that a fawn is the same genetic code as orange and that fawn is like a lighter version of orange? If they are the same genetics, why call one fawn and one orange despite fawn is less orange in color? How do you know if you have an orange or a fawn? Does it really matter if you label an orange as a fawn (if you didn't know it was fawn for example) on the pedigree? I'll post pictures tomorrow but one of my broken kits looks more like pictures of fawn colored hollands and my solid orange looks very orange lol I need help deciding which one they are and how to know the difference between the two lol Sorry for all the silly questions, I want to figure this out. :-P
Edited by volz83, Jan 23 2016, 09:00 PM.
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You're correct. All of that honestly gets on my nerves. Where is the line between a brighter fawn and a poor orange? It all depends on the person, so I just ignore the fact that there is a "fawn color" in HL. It's an orange genetically, so I just consider it as such.
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I agree with you Sidd- if fawn is no different genetically than Orange then in my view it is an orange not a fawn. Why do people have to make it confusing? I would rather just list them as orange anyways!
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lol - add the complication of the differences in breeds -- most breeds don't have 'orange' at all so they are all fawn -- in angoras, there is no orange at all, and a low rufus red will show as fawn too. In angoras I have the same heartburn over copper versus chestnut (most breeds have one or the other, only angoras have both, with the only difference being rufus factor). A reminder to all of us perhaps that color names designate phenotypes (the color you see) not genotypes. All you can do is read the standard closely and decide which description is a better fit.
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lol you bring up a point Neubunny that always drive me crazy- why do they call colors differently amongst the different breeds? I wish it would be the across the board but can't be that easy huh? lol
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well, to be fair the colors can look pretty dramatically different on the different wool types - and each breed can write the standard to select for a slightly different variation. e.g., a good castor minirex is a MUCH darker appearance (because the fur stands on end, you see mostly the black tipping - as well as selection for that darker shade) than a chestnut in a 'normal' fur type or wool breed and those are both very different from a copper satin (sheen plus high rufus) -- even though all 3 are the same base color genotype. ... lol - does drive the geneticist in me crazy though.
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Good points!
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