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Topic Started: Jul 27 2011, 01:59 AM (461 Views)
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I am really looking forward to showing Nethies this year. I am hoping to possibly show Layla, but she is a VM, and that is a disqualification. I am considering buying one or two kits from Witch's Rabbitry and am wondering what ones have show potential?
Their first kit of the year, a doe, is very catchy, she has a nice head set, high-set ears, and a full body, but could use bolder eyes.
I am also in total love with the only black VM on there. They both look like they're a bit pinched in the hindquarters though.
They also have 2 litters that were due yesterday, so I am anxiously awaiting learning of what the litters turned out to consist of. The sire needs shorter ears and a fuller more-rounded head, but the doe's may fix that.

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I'm not sure which you are talking about but I'd say the one born on June 6th is the best. However, they're all still too young for me to call.
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Are you breeding BEWs? Is that why you're interested in VMs?

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Jul 31 2011, 04:33 PM
I'm not sure which you are talking about but I'd say the one born on June 6th is the best. However, they're all still too young for me to call.
I agree, the one born June 6th looks like the best. I also agree that they don't look too incredibly awesome. :/ That's just my opinion though.
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There is some sort of weird head thing going on there that also appears to have been passed on to some of the offspring. It seems a little flat and long on top instead of a mug-type head.. maybe thats why the eye doesn't appear as bold?
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Aug 4 2011, 02:10 PM
There is some sort of weird head thing going on there that also appears to have been passed on to some of the offspring. It seems a little flat and long on top instead of a mug-type head.. maybe thats why the eye doesn't appear as bold?
It's called a snipey head, which is undesirable in Netherland Dwarfs.
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Aug 3 2011, 10:30 AM
I personally don't think any that she has for sale would do well on the table, or be beneficial to your herd.

Are you breeding BEWs? Is that why you're interested in VMs?

I was basing it on the baby pictures, I see the updated ones now and all of the ones below the one born on June 6th didn't turn out even close to as well as I had thought they would have. All their ears are huge!
I wouldn't be doing BEW's, I really like the VM's and would like to own a few wildly coloured ones for myself, along with maybe one or two BEW's. Living in Canada, it is incredibly hard for me to find Nethies, or any breed, even close to where I live. The closest ND rabbitry to us is an hour away, and I highly doubt they would sell to us again. I got quite mad at them when they sold us a "not too friendly" doe who ended up trying to tear apart our doe Nibbles, and bit almost completely through my boyfriends finger when he tried to separate her from Nibbles' fur. She was incredibly aggressive, so we sold her. She's still one of our co-owned doe's (Chilako's Jazzy) and in her new home, she became well-behaved and a good mom
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Oh I forgot to mention, she was incredibly protective of her cage, and would box anything that went in it. Any rabbitries after them are 4+ hours away
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VM's or VC's are only supposed to be used in BEW programs, that's why I asked. VMs or VCs should never be bred to anything but other VMs, VCs, or BEWs to try and produce more BEWs, otherwise they "dirty the gene pool" so to speak.. the Vienna gene will ruin colored rabbits with white markings. VMs or VCs are used to help create better type in BEWs, VCs are showable, because VCs are not marked with white, nor do they have marbled or blue eyes the way a VM does, but VMs are not showable. The only reason to keep them around is if they have amazing type and then you use them to help your BEW program, they are good for nothing else, unless you are keeping them as pets. Breeding VC to VC will give you 50% BEW, 50% VC/VM.

I'm sure if I let my does out with each other, they would surely kill each other, or at least try to. Which is why the only time my rabbits are with another rabbit is for breeding, and then go back into their own cage, after the mating is done. I have a blue otter doe that is as mean as the dickens, she boxes me and attacks me when I put my hand in the cage, she's especially bad when she isn't bred, but is a great mom, has nice babies, and takes good care of her litters, and does not pass her nasty attitude onto her offspring, so I keep her around. I just use a thick leather welding glove to take her out of the cage if I need to handle her. Also, I know the person who bred this doe and I am good friends with her, and I know this doe did not behave this way while she lived there, she was bred by my friend and born in her rabbitry, and she raised several litters for her. Why she acts this way in my rabbitry and not hers, I have no idea. Since she is well behaved where she's at now, she may very well have been well behaved where she came from as well, and they may not have had any indication that she would behave this way for you.

If I were you, I really would have started out with black otters, and not ones that are VC. They are a very easy variety for a beginner. I started out with otters, and chestnuts, and then added REW. I think BEW is a difficult variety to start out with, because achieving good type is a lot more difficult then that of otters or chestnuts.
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Aug 4 2011, 09:01 PM
VM's or VC's are only supposed to be used in BEW programs, that's why I asked. VMs or VCs should never be bred to anything but other VMs, VCs, or BEWs to try and produce more BEWs, otherwise they "dirty the gene pool" so to speak.. the Vienna gene will ruin colored rabbits with white markings. VMs or VCs are used to help create better type in BEWs, VCs are showable, because VCs are not marked with white, nor do they have marbled or blue eyes the way a VM does, but VMs are not showable. The only reason to keep them around is if they have amazing type and then you use them to help your BEW program, they are good for nothing else, unless you are keeping them as pets. Breeding VC to VC will give you 50% BEW, 50% VC/VM.

I'm sure if I let my does out with each other, they would surely kill each other, or at least try to. Which is why the only time my rabbits are with another rabbit is for breeding, and then go back into their own cage, after the mating is done. I have a blue otter doe that is as mean as the dickens, she boxes me and attacks me when I put my hand in the cage, she's especially bad when she isn't bred, but is a great mom, has nice babies, and takes good care of her litters, and does not pass her nasty attitude onto her offspring, so I keep her around. I just use a thick leather welding glove to take her out of the cage if I need to handle her. Also, I know the person who bred this doe and I am good friends with her, and I know this doe did not behave this way while she lived there, she was bred by my friend and born in her rabbitry, and she raised several litters for her. Why she acts this way in my rabbitry and not hers, I have no idea. Since she is well behaved where she's at now, she may very well have been well behaved where she came from as well, and they may not have had any indication that she would behave this way for you.

If I were you, I really would have started out with black otters, and not ones that are VC. They are a very easy variety for a beginner. I started out with otters, and chestnuts, and then added REW. I think BEW is a difficult variety to start out with, because achieving good type is a lot more difficult then that of otters or chestnuts.
Well I am definitely going for type over colour. I had a very iffy time choosing whether or not to keep Layla, but she is finally coming out of her uglies and is looking great. I would be keeping them as pets, and only breeding stock for BEW's if requested by others. I am not the biggest fan of the white ones, but I know that there are many people who are.
I hadn't let the two out together, I had one out, and the other in her cage.
Since I am me, we are starting out with black otters :lol: . All 3 of our doe's are black otter, except one has the VM colouring, and she would only be bred to Imperials Teddy to produce BEW's or pets for others if they come out VM.
I am still working on building up our stock, and we will definitely be getting at least one other buck that's properly coloured and show quality, and quite a few more doe's that are properly coloured. I am hoping, with time, and well-spent money, we will establish a rabbitry that has nice, typey, nicely coloured Netherland Dwarf rabbits for people to own and show :trophy:
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