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| Jr. Holland lop bucks; Chevy and Opie | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 2 2011, 02:20 PM (358 Views) | |
| TRK's Rabbitry | Sep 2 2011, 02:20 PM Post #1 |
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This bunny isn't leaving anytime soon
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![]() This is Chevy. I posted him a week or so ago...BUT he has changes A LOT! So I wanted to see what you guys think of him now. I want the good bad and UGLY! (3 1/2 months old)![]() This is Opie my new orange buck, I would the dirt on him! (almost 4months!)
Edited by TRK's Rabbitry, Sep 2 2011, 02:27 PM.
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Megan Seaman trksrabbitry.weebly.com Specializing in BEW Holland lops | |
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| Locket Rabbitry | Sep 2 2011, 03:28 PM Post #2 |
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Get the Duct Tape, Stat!
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This is going to be a novel... Chevy The way you took the picture is a little awkward. It helps if you are on the same level as the rabbit and take it dead on instead of up, over, and to the right A tip for posing: When you have the feet right and the rabbit upright enough but they are still leaning forward, try pinching the nose. It makes them pull back and usually you'll get a perfect pose.Head, Ear, Crown He has really nice curvature to the brow. Nice flat muzzle and that classic Holland shaped head. The only thing that bothers me is that it seems sort of long. I think that it has to do with the position of his crown. It too (referring to the broken sable point critique) is placed on the back of his head. This prevents him from having crown definition. You'll never see a rabbit with crown definition (great definition anyways) whose crown is on the back of their head. He, though, isn't pulling his ears forward so you can see the slipped crown. Remember how I said on the doe that once she gets older you'll see it..this is what I meant. When he was younger, I imagine he pulled them forward too didn't he? Good front to back depth and wrap of crown. The ear has nice shape but could be more open at the top (that's being picky). If it was open, it wouldn't round out..it would be flat. He could also use a rounder ear. Seems like it has decent substance. Now, the ear itself might not be long but where they "sprout" from the head gives them the appearance of being long. You want the ear to be above or inline with the eye. This makes longer ears appear shorter and short ears look perfect! It helps create the overall "bulldog" look. He's still young but ideally, you don't want the ear to hang more than a 1/2" below the jaw. From the front, he has decent width of the brow, lacks width of the eye, and has good width of the muzzle and cheeks. Great shape and shows a lot of potential. I'm going to use the "slide" example again. You can see from the front that he obviously doesn't have any crown definition. Imagine sliding it forward to the proper position and picture what would happen. The ears would come forward as well and give you that "horseshoe" shape the standard asks for. Ideally, going from one ear, up over the crown and down the other ear should give you a nice smooth "horseshoe" shaped line. Bone/Chest For a buck, he really lacks the chest depth I'd like to see. I want the chest to be inline with the tip of the nose. His pose might be throwing it off since he's sort of leaning forward but I really don't see it there anyways. From the front, it's even more obvious. I want to see a BIG full chest on top of very short, thick legs. His chest just isn't full to balance with his big head. Aside from it lacking depth, it's also narrow which tells me he has narrow shoulders. You can also tell by how close set his front feet are. His bone looks decent, might turn out to be lighter with age. His too seems to be a little weak in the ankle. They aren't coming straight down from the chest although the actual leg is short so it doesn't look as bad. You'll find that the longer the leg and the weaker the ankle, the lighter the bone will be...it throws the whole rabbit off. Body Alright now since he's leaning, it's making everything look longer than I think it really is. Shoulder has possible length..midsection probably not. Nice round topline. He curves very nicely into his hindquarter. He looks full to the table and smooth all the way down. If I had a top picture, I'd be able to tell you much more. What I don't like is that he lacks depth of shoulder. This is hard to explain if you don't know what it means fully. In short, there's just not enough meat there to make him look chunky. He doesn't have that bulldog look. I tried to explain it to my mom earlier like this: Think of it as a brick wall. The top of the shoulder being the ceiling and then you have the floor. Depth would be how many bricks fill it in. The more daylight that shows between the legs, the less depth of shoulder there is. He seems to have good depth of body though. He seems to have good headmount and is upright. There's just something about his body that I'm not sure I can put into words. He's just not massive. You can see it from the front how his chest is narrow...This probably means his entire body is narrow. He just doesn't have that beefiness that the classic "bulldog" Holland would have. Overall, he's a decent buck. I'm not overly impressed. He's probably going to be more brood as I don't think he could compete with the big, chunky bucks you'll see on the table. His longer ear and slipped crown also would knock him down compared to a buck that has that. Opie Super awkward pose and angle so this is going to be a bit harder. Head, Ear, Crown He too has a longer head. If the head was shorter, he'd have a really round head with great curvature. But since he doesn't..he has good curvature of the brow but not of the skull. It's kinda flat up there! This may sound odd at first but try picture it: I want him to have more height to his head. The distance between his brow and the bottom of his cheek is too short. If that area was longer and flat, he'd have a massive head! It just doesn't balance with his body. This is being picky though. The overall shape of his head is more oval than round. That has to do with the height thing. Just think about it if it doesn't make sense. Anyways, from the front he has great shape and width overall. His crown, again, is on the back of his head. It also lacks front to back depth and side to side depth. That's why his ears are ...how they are. The front picture doesn't tell me much other than that he doesn't have the crown definition or the "horseshoe" shape you want. Ears have good shape and substance...I think. Can't really tell Bone/Chest Good depth of chest, much full than Chevy. You see the difference? It's also wider which tells me that he has a wider shoulder too. Bone is light and he has weak ankles. If he had short, thick legs straight down from that chest, he'd be really nice. Body He has awesome depth and mass of body. Much chunkier than Chevy. However. I don't like his topline. It breaks to quickly after the shoulder and chops off again at the hindquarter. It needs to be one smooth line, like the shape of an n. The fact that you have to hold his head tells me that he's either a brat to pose or he just doesn't have the headmount to actually be able to pose. With his feet being in the right position, you can see that he is undercut. With the way his ankle disappear under his body (i.e. they slant in) I'd assume he's also pinched. Making his entire hindquarter hollow. Overall, he's not that great of a buck. I guess I'm disappointed because I've had the luck of getting very nice agoutis and it's a shame to see that elsewhere this isnt happening. He has some good parts but I think he just doesn't have the overall package to really make him a good herd buck. His head mass and body mass is probably what drew you to him but don't be fooled by it. You got to break him down and weigh out the faults and strengths. I prefer Chevy just because he's more balanced. Hope that helps. Edited by Locket Rabbitry, Sep 2 2011, 03:36 PM.
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| OakRidgeRabbits | Sep 2 2011, 04:50 PM Post #3 |
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Hopelessly Addicted to the Fuzz
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I really like the development on Chevy so far, he is a very promising little buck! I would like to see a more forward crown on him. His is slipped a bit, which causes the ear to fold as well. His ear is also a touch long. However, I like his short, round body. He also looks to be developing a great shape and mass to the head. I am not quite as fond of Opie at this time. He, too, seems to have good length to the body but is lacking depth over the hindquarter. I'd like to see his crown a bit more forward as well, and he looks a touch light in bone for his age. However, I do think that he has parts that you can work with. Finding quality colors in Hollands is difficult, but I think that bred to a doe that will correct his faults, he may contribute a bit toward a color program. Edited by OakRidgeRabbits, Sep 2 2011, 04:51 PM.
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| sidd-says-gimme | Sep 2 2011, 04:50 PM Post #4 |
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sidd says stay gold
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Sorry for cutting in, but can I ask what you mean by this? I haven't heard of using the nose to tell depth before.
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| OakRidgeRabbits | Sep 2 2011, 04:53 PM Post #5 |
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I think she may mean fullness or mass, rather than depth? I couldn't find that glancing over the original post, but depth would be top to bottom rather than "out". Edited by OakRidgeRabbits, Sep 2 2011, 05:29 PM.
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| sidd-says-gimme | Sep 2 2011, 04:55 PM Post #6 |
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sidd says stay gold
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It's right at the beginning of Chevy's Bone/Chest part. She said something about chest depth right before she said what I quoted. I thought she was still on that subject; I misunderstood. Ignore me!
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| TRK's Rabbitry | Sep 2 2011, 05:19 PM Post #7 |
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This bunny isn't leaving anytime soon
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Mr. Opie hasn't been worked with on posing untill I got him i'm guessing because when I first posed him he was like "what in the world are you doing to me"Lol. I'm going to work with him more and get new pictures of the both of them...since these weren't the best.Lol. I should have new pics up tonight or early AM. Thanks guys!!!
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| Locket Rabbitry | Sep 2 2011, 07:15 PM Post #8 |
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Get the Duct Tape, Stat!
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No, I do mean chest depth. If the chest isn't in line with the nose then the rabbits more than likely doesn't have chest depth. I'll draw up a little doodle to explain... |
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| OakRidgeRabbits | Sep 2 2011, 11:23 PM Post #9 |
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Maybe we just use different terms for it then. I've always understood depth to be top to bottom, or how "deep". For example, you don't want to see a gangly body structure where there is significant daylight between the rabbit's underside and the table. If you see that, it would indicate that the body is not very deep. A rabbit with good depth will be full from the shoulder to the table. Or a deep chest would be full from the chin to the table. Of course, depth is a little different to see in other breeds where the rabbit isn't sitting up. Edited by OakRidgeRabbits, Sep 2 2011, 11:30 PM.
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| Locket Rabbitry | Sep 3 2011, 08:58 AM Post #10 |
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Get the Duct Tape, Stat!
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Exactly. Look at Chevy. His chest isn't inline with his nose. From the front, it's very evident that he lacks depth of chest. Now, if his chest was full enough , it would be inline with his nose..exhibiting great depth of chest. |
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This is Chevy. I posted him a week or so ago...BUT he has changes A LOT! So I wanted to see what you guys think of him now.
I want the good bad and UGLY!
(3 1/2 months old)
This is Opie my new orange buck, I would the dirt on him!



A tip for posing: When you have the feet right and the rabbit upright enough but they are still leaning forward, try pinching the nose. It makes them pull back and usually you'll get a perfect pose.
1:48 AM Jul 13