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Harlequin Genetics
Topic Started: Apr 18 2012, 09:54 PM (2,183 Views)
NeuBunny
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wow reh. thank you! I'm going to take some time to digest this!
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Disney
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eJe rabbits tend to have fewer dark patches then eJeJ ones.
Sometimes it could be as few as nothing, so you may have a eJe rabbit looking completely yellow or having only some single dark hairs anywhere. Thats the cause that EeJ can be seen in some agouti rabbits but not on all (mostly you can detect it on the belly of some day old kits).


Thankyou, i was looking for this everywhere!

I normally have no interest in harlequins or agouti whatsoever.. but i just found out my Bew is harlequin underneath, so im trying to clear out the possibilities i can get out of her.

These are littermates of my Bew.
They both have a few blue patches on them, so they are eje right?
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Dad is a blue VM carrying non-extension
This is their mom, first i had no idea what she could be. I was thinking of gold tipped something.
But she seems to be harlequin VM.. probably ejej right?
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Also do you think this buck is a self harlequin or agouti? He is bred to a blue doe and all kits 7 were black.. no agouti.
He is also bred to a broken black, kits are broken black, broken orange and broken tri
Then again, the orange kit means agouti.. there is the answer.. agouti harlequin.. but its weird because the other litter was bigger and no agouti showed up
Im going to breed him with my Bew doe who masks harlequin so im trying to figure out what i can get.
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Broken orange kit
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Broken tri kit
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NeuBunny
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Disney
Apr 25 2012, 08:23 PM

Also do you think this buck is a self harlequin or agouti? He is bred to a blue doe and all kits 7 were black.. no agouti.
He is also bred to a broken black, kits are broken black, broken orange and broken tri
Then again, the orange kit means agouti.. there is the answer.. agouti harlequin.. but its weird because the other litter was bigger and no agouti showed up

He must be Aa (agouti carrying self). Bred to a self you should get 50-50 self/agouti -- but sometimes you flip a coin 7 times and get all heads!

He also has to be eje to get the orange kit (which is Aaee).
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I read an article from wayyyy back (From Castle I think) that talked about the differences between self harlies and agouti harlies. What I've seen with my rabbits (and they are not harlie-harlie breedings because I didn't have enough harlies) is that the agouti ones have black and white striped bellies (the orange is missing like an agouti has a white belly) whereas the self ones have good belly colour. The article said the belly can be a good indicator but that with selective breeding you could get an agouti harlie with good belly colour and a self harlie with poor belly colour - it depended on what they selected for.

For me, what I look for to see if it is agouti or self are the white around the eyes and nose edges and the paler belly. I have a self harlie now that is really really rich in colour, much better than any of my agouti based ones.

In terms of torted harlies, this is when the nose and ears show the tort smut (kinda peeping out from the dark harlie bands).

I have been seeing a lot of agouti harlies with really really poor dark colour, but I think that is more modifiers at play.

I've read (but not seen first hand yet) that a self harlie that is ejej generally won't show the tort smut.

White bellies are not a problem for tris, but they are a DQ for harlies under our BRC rules.

Not sure if any of this helps!
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kris10stubb13
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Apr 24 2012, 07:44 PM
Will the offspring of one Harlequin parent carry the Harlequin gene? What if both parents are Harlequin?

My mother bred a Harlequin to a Blue. There is a Blue baby and a Black baby in the litter. Do they carry the Harlequin gene or is there a certain percentage that they will?

Also, could the Harlequin to Blue breeding produce an Orange? It looks like we have one.

By the way, thank you all for your information. I have printed it all out. Very helpful.
So I actually have bred my Agouti Harlequin with my Vienna Marked Blue Otter and have found their genetic history to be waaay more confusing then I thought. They have produced VM Chestnut, VM Black, Tort Otter, VM Tort Otter, Tort Harelquin, VM Harlequin, VM Orange, and Agouti Chocolate. I'm adding pictures of the VM harlequin and the Torted harlequin. :)

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torted harlequin :thumb:
Edited by kris10stubb13, Feb 5 2017, 12:09 AM.
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