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Sable Point x Broken Tort?; Sable Point Holland Lop buck bred with a Broken Tort Holland lop doe
Topic Started: Sep 20 2012, 12:12 AM (1,661 Views)
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I bred my two hollands. I don't think I will get blue points thank goodness. My buck carries dilute but my doe hasn't got a single dilute parent or grandparent on her pedigree so it should be all good. I'm not entirely sure on what I might get. Genetics are still really confusing to me. So thought I's ask what everyone else thinks.
My buck is a sable point
Sire: Sable point
Dam: Smoke Pearl
Grand Sire: Black
Grand Dam: Broken Blue Tort
Grand Sire: Broken Frosty
Grand Dam: Black Tort
Thats as much as the pedigree shows unfortunatly
My doe is a Broken Tort
Sire: Broken Tort
Dam: Tort
Grand Sire: Broken Tort
Grand Dam: Sable Point
Grand Sire: Broken Tort
Grand Dam: Tort
GG Sire: Broken Tort
GG Dam: Broken Black
GG Sire: Sable Point
GG Dam: Sable Point
GG Sire: Tort
GG Dam: Broken Tort
GG Sire: Broken Tort
GG Dam: Orange
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Himadri Hollands
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Well, the "for sure" is that you can get black torts and broken black torts.
If your broken tort carries either the shading gene or red-eyed-white, you could also get seal point or sable point, and brokens thereof.
If your buck is not seal point but is truly a sable point (ie, carries red-eyed-white or less likely carries pointed white) you could get REW (or less likely PW)

If your doe DOES carry dilute, add blue tort/broken blue tort, and blue point/broken blue point into the above.
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sable point buck = aaB-chl-Ddee

broken tort doe = aaB-C?D-ee (is this the same doe from the previous post that produced the sable point kits already?) if so, she HAS to be carrying chl, ch or c -- not a second C. Unlikely to be carrying dilute (not impossible, just very low odds).

50-50 solid and broken.

50% tort (25% black tort, 25% broken tort)
25% chl? = sable point or seal point, depending on what the dam is carrying = half solid/half broken
25% -? = IF both parents are hiding chl (making the buck actually a seal point) these are seal points, IF 1 parent is carrying chl (either the buck is a seal point OR the doe is hiding chl) these are sable points, IF either is carrying ch, then these will be unshowable 'extended himis', IF BOTH are carrying REW, these are REW. again half will be broken



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Neubunny wrote: IF either is carrying ch, then these will be unshowable 'extended himis',

I have shown pointed white (himi) Holland Lops before that I know were non-extension ee..... they have paler, often 'faded looking' points that usually cover less surface area, but as long as they have point color and nail color they are totally showable under most judges. Color in Holland Lops is only 4 points out of 100, so pale but extant points in my experience could be faulted but would not be DQ'd.

What WILL DQ PWs is marten/agouti markings in the the point color (white nostril and ear lacing, white underside of tail) or being a broken PW (most often missing points on all 4 feet and white underside of tail, or missing tail color... sometimes white ear tips or a partial nose marking as well).
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