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Broken HIMI ???; What do you think?
Topic Started: Dec 14 2012, 09:06 PM (1,722 Views)
sidd-says-gimme
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Can you get a better picture of her eyes? They look normal too me.

I think she's a broken black himi with poor coloring.
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jodi
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Jan 5 2013, 09:06 AM
Huh its interesting that himi crossed to BEW would mess with eye color, since himi ruby eyes are pink/red just like REW ruby eyes and himi is absence of color (except on points) as well. I would think that 'being' himi would simply make the animal ruby-eyed (just like being REW would), and the vienna gene would take off the rest of the body color, making the rabbit appear REW when it actually was a BEW/himi.
I was shocked too when I had lavender eyes from that cross.
If the rabbit has purple eyes then there is a chance it has BEW in it. Breeding it is the only way to find out for sure.
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babybluemom
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jodi
Jan 6 2013, 03:55 PM
Himadri Hollands
Jan 5 2013, 09:06 AM
Huh its interesting that himi crossed to BEW would mess with eye color, since himi ruby eyes are pink/red just like REW ruby eyes and himi is absence of color (except on points) as well. I would think that 'being' himi would simply make the animal ruby-eyed (just like being REW would), and the vienna gene would take off the rest of the body color, making the rabbit appear REW when it actually was a BEW/himi.
I was shocked too when I had lavender eyes from that cross.
If the rabbit has purple eyes then there is a chance it has BEW in it. Breeding it is the only way to find out for sure.
It's so hard to not want to breed her when there are so many interesting genetic possibilities. I still can't figure out her "marbled" ears. Also what color to call her points. They are not at all black.
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sidd-says-gimme
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She doesn't look to be a rabbit from a serious breeder, so it's normal that the black color is not very intense. She is definitely not blue, chocolate or lilac himi. Point color varies (even if it is just black himi!) and marbling on the ears can be caused by poor color, sun discoloration or molting the ear fur. I have heard of non-extension himis, which apparently does mess with the color a bit. She could be that, but I have never seen one.
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Lots of genes can cause marbling on the ears.

Non-extension with himi (aa ch- ee) can cause marbling and poor color.

Himi's can have agouti or tan genes in play (A- ch- or at- ch-) instead of the normal self (aa- ch-) which can cause the marbling on the ears.

Sable point (aa chl- ee) also can have 'marbled' points and are known for a ruby cast to the eyes (more brown-ruby though, not lavender).

Or could just be a 'poor black' in which some of the modifiers genes (undescribed minor genes that influence the intensity of color) are lacking.


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babybluemom
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Non-extension as in frosted pearl maybe? I have compared her to pictures and her ears really do like they are frosty. They are as light blue as my solid blue male but "frosty" and "marbled" looking rather then solid blue.
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Himadri Hollands
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BEWs might have messed up eye color if they are shaded, as it can cause ruby glow with blue eyes, however BEW should not have any affect on the eye color of REWs and Himis, because the action of the gene that makes albino/incomplete albino removes all/most pigment from the body and all pigment from the eye, so there is no pigment left for the BEW genes to work on and 'turn blue'.

The natural color of the pink/ruby eye does sometimes have a purplish cast all by itself-- this is because without pigment, the red blood cells in the eye structures including the underlying retinal blood vessels shows through where there is no eye pigment to obscure it...... which will show /reflect as varying shades of purply/red/pink.

Here are a few various "red" eyes in albino/incomplete albino (himi) rabbits--
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Many things can affect the point color on Himis-- temperature, molting, the presence of the agouti, marten, dilute, and/or non-extension genes.....
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babybluemom
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That last bun pic looks like Cake's point color. Her eyes are more purple than these pics though.
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Himadri Hollands
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We need better/closer/clearer pics of her eyes then-- the ones posted do not look anything out of the ordinary for REW or Himi ruby eyes, to me.
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