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| Chocolate otter Lionhead. What can I breed it to? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 21 2013, 08:53 AM (461 Views) | |
| SomeBunny2Love | Feb 21 2013, 08:53 AM Post #1 |
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I'm purchasing a chocolate otter Lionhead. Does anyone know the rules of what is and is not acceptable to breed him with? The breeder he is coming from said that she is not sure because she is just learning herself, but that she was told not to breed otter with shaded. Is this correct? If I get a buck, my current options for a doe are sable point and black. If I get a doe, my only buck right now is a tort. (Haven't decided what I'm keeping out of my current litter yet, and I don't know sexes on them, but I am down to tort, blue tort, and sable point there.) |
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Amanda, raising Lionheads and Mini Lops since 2012 Brough Burrows Rabbitry | |
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| NeuBunny | Feb 21 2013, 09:30 AM Post #2 |
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Genetics Geek!
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color compatibility is determined based on what colors are and are not accepted within the breed. As NO lionhead varieties are currently accepted, the question is difficult to answer. None of the current and pending lionhead CODs include otters at all -- so you are looking at at least 4 years out before anything relevant to breeding lionhead otters makes its way into a standard. Silver martens (tan pattern genetics) are in the 5th COD. The current lionhead COD is for Tortoise (in black, blue, chocolate and lilac) and REW. Assuming they pass third presentation next year, those will be the ONLY accepted colors of lionheads. So if it were me working on lionheads, those would be my color target. For a new breed like lionheads, type is FAR more important than color. Type before color is, of course, the rule for all breeding but in a new breed type still varies far more than in an established breed and so it is absolutely critical to select excellent type to improve the breed. Mane is worth 35 points in lionheads as well as being the most distinctive feature of the breed. Forget color and breed for an excellent mane. To the direct question -- in most breeds, you don't want to cross otters with shaded because shaded martens are not accepted. But, for example, in Jersey woolies, shaded martens are accepted (though still very rare) and are my daughter's primary breeding goal -- so we ARE doing otter - shaded crosses. Chocolate otter (at-bbC-D-E-) x sable point (aaB-chl-D-ee) => mostly black otter (but carry a mix of genes) - other colors depend on the genes the parents are carrying Chocolate otter (at-bbC-D-E-) x black (aaB-C-D-E-) => mostly black otter (again, carrying a mix of genes) Tort (aaB-C-D-ee) x Chocolate otter (at-bbC-D-E-) => mostly black otter (again, carrying a mix of genes) I would consider your chocolate otter an opportunity to get chocolate tort. Not only am I partial to chocolate tort (my favorite bunny color!) but it IS one of the colors in the current lionhead COD. And you seem to have lots of torts to work with. Better to breed the chocolate otter to a tort than the sable point -- chocolate-based shaded colors (chocolate sable, chocolate sable point, chocolate martens, etc) never seem to be accepted. |
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