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what color could my V-lop kit be?
Topic Started: Feb 25 2013, 01:22 AM (146 Views)
babybluemom
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I am waiting for my future velveteen lop to be born around the fourth of March at the breeders (they informed me as soon as they bred). They used the buck I wanted them to. He is the brother of the lilac tort that I first fell in love with from a previous litter. He is blue and the doe is a broken fawn or lynx. I can't tell which she is from the photos at all. If she is lynx then she is a bit dark. If she is fawn she is not quite as orange. From the pics I couldn't see the actual bands of color. I compared her to lots of other pics of rabbits with rex fur and she looks like she is right between lynx and fawn. I know that the buck came from a litter of mostly blue and lilac torts. I don't know anything about the doe but she won first place for something in a show in Ohio as a fawn and she is proven but I didn't see any pics of any kits labeled as hers. What colors do you think that pair could have? Opal maybe? I would love a lilac tort. Lynx is pretty too.
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NeuBunny
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blue with a lilac tort brother...

aaB-C-ddE- likely Bb and Ee. solid = enen



broken fawn or lynx

A---C-dd-- Enen

despite how similar the colors look, fawn and lynx can be VERY different genetically.

Fawn isn't necessarily chocolate based (most often it is a blue base) -- though if you get one that is difficult to tell apart from lynx, my guess would be that it is bb.

Lynx is full extension (E-) and fawn is non-extension (ee)

Check her undercolor -- should be white for a fawn but dove grey for a lynx. Anything from her pedigree would help to calculate odds.

For now, just for calculating, lets put all the genes in...() = guess

Buck = aaB(b)C-ddE(e) enen

Doe = A(a)(bb)C-dd(Ee) Enen

easy first -- All dilute. Half broken, half solid.
At least half agouti (other half self)
At least half blue-based (other half lilac based)
At least half full extension, probably 75%+. (other 25% non-extension)
Only if BOTH parents are carrying a recessive C gene (chd, chl, ch or c) do we need to worry about those. Unless you have those colors in the pedigree, I tend not to worry about them. But if you get an odd color of kit that doesn't fit the pattern, consider those.

Put that together...
>19% opal *** (highest odds, independent of the guesses)
>19% lynx
<19% blue
<19 lilac
<12% fawn
<6% blue tort
<6% lilac tort

if the doe is actually fawn, the odds on the fawns and torts push higher.




Edited by NeuBunny, Feb 25 2013, 09:23 AM.
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babybluemom
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NeuBunny
Feb 25 2013, 09:22 AM
blue with a lilac tort brother...

aaB-C-ddE- likely Bb and Ee. solid = enen



broken fawn or lynx

A---C-dd-- Enen

despite how similar the colors look, fawn and lynx can be VERY different genetically.

Fawn isn't necessarily chocolate based (most often it is a blue base) -- though if you get one that is difficult to tell apart from lynx, my guess would be that it is bb.

Lynx is full extension (E-) and fawn is non-extension (ee)

Check her undercolor -- should be white for a fawn but dove grey for a lynx. Anything from her pedigree would help to calculate odds.

For now, just for calculating, lets put all the genes in...() = guess

Buck = aaB(b)C-ddE(e) enen

Doe = A(a)(bb)C-dd(Ee) Enen

easy first -- All dilute. Half broken, half solid.
At least half agouti (other half self)
At least half blue-based (other half lilac based)
At least half full extension, probably 75%+. (other 25% non-extension)
Only if BOTH parents are carrying a recessive C gene (chd, chl, ch or c) do we need to worry about those. Unless you have those colors in the pedigree, I tend not to worry about them. But if you get an odd color of kit that doesn't fit the pattern, consider those.

Put that together...
>19% opal *** (highest odds, independent of the guesses)
>19% lynx
<19% blue
<19 lilac
<12% fawn
<6% blue tort
<6% lilac tort

if the doe is actually fawn, the odds on the fawns and torts push higher.




Thank-you! It looks like she picked a good pair for what I want. I had looked up lots of stuff to figure out color possibilities and I played with a color calculator that gave me similar results. One of my favorite things to do in my spare time is learn about rabbit genetics. I am learning a bit more every day. Before my lap top died I used to spend about an hour a night researching genetics because I could take my computer to bed. Now I have to do my learning from our computer in the living room so now my night time reading is back to gardening books mostly. I wish I could afford a breeding hobby.
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