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| ZRabbits | Jul 7 2013, 06:58 AM Post #1 |
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Love My Lions!
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As History approaches for the Lionhead rabbit, and the NALRC gears up to be an actual ARBA Breed club, it is suggested from the Club that all should be a member of ARBA, as well as the Club. I think it would only be common sense if you plan to show rabbits. ARBA is actually the governing body of all Breeds, right? I see that the all the judges are used when a new breed is presented, so they are the ones that control the SOP, right? Just trying to see who's who. I do plan to join. And have been reading on the ARBA website about a "Guide to Breeding and Showing Rabbits", which is a free publication when joining ARBA. Plus I look forward to reading the "Domestic Rabbit" magazine. But is there other publications regarding showing or raising show rabbits that you could point me too. Though experience is key to success, I also like to read as much as possible on the subject. Truly appreciate any suggestions. Thanks! |
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| NeuBunny | Jul 7 2013, 09:33 AM Post #2 |
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Genetics Geek!
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Just a thought - and not that I want to discourage anyone from joining ARBA. For lionhead folks, financially, it might be good to wait until after lionheads are accepted and the next edition of the standard is printed -- that way the book that comes with your membership will have lionheads in it -- rather than having to buy the new edition separately. |
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| ZRabbits | Jul 7 2013, 10:18 AM Post #3 |
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Love My Lions!
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Thanks Neubunny, appreciate the great thought. Not discouraging anyone, especially me. I think waiting until the Lionhead is actually official to be able to be put in the ARBA new addition. Heck the NALRC hasn't updated their guidebook yet. New NALRC guidebooks won't be printed and sent out to members UNTIL the Lionheads actually pass and become a legitimate ARBA breed. Basically as I wait, I was wondering if there was any articles or books regarding what's needed for a show (other than in the Mane Musing) or how to pose a rabbit (or is that something which I think needs to be shown to someone) In the NALRC guidebook there is an article about "Evaluating" rabbits, but the pics are of a black LH and it's a bit hard to see. I guess that's where mentoring can be a big help? Thanks again Neubunny, truly appreciate your time and your responses. |
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| sidd-says-gimme | Jul 7 2013, 04:32 PM Post #4 |
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sidd says stay gold
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Embarrassingly enough, I have been breeding for years but haven't been a member of ARBA yet. Actually, I'm not even a part of our local rabbit breeder group. I forgot to renew my membership. I'll have to do that soon... I just don't like doing anything through the mail.
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| ZRabbits | Jul 7 2013, 10:00 PM Post #5 |
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So you can breed and NOT be part of the ARBA if you breed "show quality"? I guess you would have to know the SOP of the breed, right? Well, I know right now that Lionheads are only seen in the "Open" class and they have to bring the judge a standard. I guess it's a pending standard? And I guess those who buy your rabbits register them under their name? Would you provide a pedigree? I read that the last 4 generations have to be presented to the ARBA to register a rabbit? I think I read that right. Does it affect the process of someone registering a rabbit if you aren't part of the ARBA, the governing body, Someone like me for example, who buys a "show quality" rabbit and then goes to a show and registers it under my name to show it? Or when I register my rabbitry? I guess it's just a bit confusing for someone new. Sorry for the questions, lol. I know you can't answer them because you really haven't been a member of the ARBA. Don't blame you with not trusting "snail mail". When I signed up for NALRC, and my guidebook and club membership was sent, someone lifted both and left me the envelope. But then again, kind of leary doing on-line as well. Gees, can't trust anything these days. BTW, I should have asked at the beginning...What breed have you been involved with for years? |
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| sidd-says-gimme | Jul 8 2013, 05:39 AM Post #6 |
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sidd says stay gold
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Well, no one's stopping me from breeding and not being a member of ARBA. I plan to eventually, but I don't see much of a point right now. I don't really show my rabbits... actually, I plan to show one or two of my own this weekend for the first time (I have shown rabbits after buying them though, just to see how it works). Not expecting anything because they are both only 11 weeks old and in that awkward stage, but I figured it would be a good experience. While I do breed toward the breed standard, I mostly sell my "extras" as pets. For brood or show quality rabbits I do provide a pedigree, but again, most of the people buying mine are just looking for a cute, sweet pet. Yes, you need a 4 gen pedigree to show while registering a rabbit. I don't think the fact that I'm not a member of ARBA affects anyone... you don't have to "register" a rabbit to show it. Just have to have a rabbit that looks like the breed you're showing it as and have a tattoo in the correct ear. Whether it'll get DQd or do well is a different story though... Yup, I don't trust doing it online, either... no idea why, I just don't feel comfortable unless I'm passing it over in person. I have Hollands. |
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| ZRabbits | Jul 8 2013, 06:21 AM Post #7 |
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Thanks sidd-say-gimme, I appreciate the time you took to answer. Really neat set up. I really love hollands. My fear at first was ear problems, but lol dealt with ear problems with my Straight ear rabbits so I have no concern now with "floppy" ear rabbits. As long as you know the breeder's standards of breeding, I think a Holland would be an excellent pet or show experience. We have a massive amount of hollands here. I would think it a bit tough to show a Holland, but glad to hear you are just going to give it a try and get you and your rabbits experience. Hollands are just lovely "lumps" IMHO. They have such "expressive" faces. If bred right though. I truly believe that you can have a nasty rabbit in any breed. And that could throw off the bond with people and other rabbits, IMHO. I absolutely love the coloring of harlequin and magpie in some of the Hollands I've seen. Love the brokens with that lovely butterfly. Wishing you all the luck with your "show" experience. Let us know how it goes. |
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| sidd-says-gimme | Jul 8 2013, 08:49 AM Post #8 |
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sidd says stay gold
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I'll post some pictures of my bunnies later... I realized that I haven't in forever. I love my Hollands. I think they are just so sweet. Agree with you on the exceptions, though... I have had my fair share of meanies. Some of my does will let me know what they think of mr while they are pregnant. Thankfully, it's not bad and they don't do that normally. I have one that will kiss me all day long. She is so sweet. You're right about it being a little hard to show Hollands, even in my area where rabbit breeding isn't very popular. There's still a lot of them compared to most other breeds. |
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| NeuBunny | Jul 8 2013, 09:06 AM Post #9 |
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Genetics Geek!
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You can breed AND show and not be a member of ARBA. No requirement to be a member of the organization in order to show at ARBA shows, no requirement that you be a member in order to show, place or earn legs. (members don't even get a discount on entry fees!). I think you do have to be a member to register or grand champion a rabbit - but I could be wrong on that. You also have to be a member and pay an extra fee to get an official listing on their breeders directory. There are also competitions for members-only -- points scored for every rabbit placing at a show, sweepstakes, that sort of thing. But the folks who do well in those sorts of competitions seem to be the folks who are operating at a much bigger scale and higher level than me. The biggest advantage of membership is the Domestic Rabbit magazine. Love all the articles and information. Our 4H club has a set of back issues that the kids use to study for judging competitions. |
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| sidd-says-gimme | Jul 8 2013, 10:10 AM Post #10 |
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sidd says stay gold
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A friend recently let me read one of her Domestic Rabbits magazines. I really liked the "You Be the Judge" section. Considering joining ARBA just for that... hehe. |
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| NeuBunny | Jul 9 2013, 07:29 AM Post #11 |
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Genetics Geek!
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That's my favorite section too. Very good for 4H kids practice - set up very close to the format of our 'virtual' judging competitions. (Wish we did our judging competitions with actual rabbits instead of photos, but that's a whole 'nother issue). |
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I forgot to renew my membership. I'll have to do that soon... I just don't like doing anything through the mail.
I plan to eventually, but I don't see much of a point right now. I don't really show my rabbits... actually, I plan to show one or two of my own this weekend for the first time (I have shown rabbits after buying them though, just to see how it works). Not expecting anything because they are both only 11 weeks old and in that awkward stage, but I figured it would be a good experience. While I do breed toward the breed standard, I mostly sell my "extras" as pets. For brood or show quality rabbits I do provide a pedigree, but again, most of the people buying mine are just looking for a cute, sweet pet. Yes, you need a 4 gen pedigree to show while registering a rabbit. I don't think the fact that I'm not a member of ARBA affects anyone... you don't have to "register" a rabbit to show it. Just have to have a rabbit that looks like the breed you're showing it as and have a tattoo in the correct ear. Whether it'll get DQd or do well is a different story though...
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