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| redbunny | Sep 20 2013, 11:37 AM Post #1 |
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OK.....seems I'm an 'expert' at over doing breeding, which I'd rather not be. I like leaving bucks with the doe providing they get on, up until a week before she litters. I have seen bucks attempting to mount does late in pregnancy. I have a doe who hasn't been with a buck for five weeks. She has a lovely little youngster of about a month which she is still nursng. Yesterday I discovered a nest of day old kits totally unexpected. I didn't want to breed her again this year. This is now the fifth time my does have done this. Is there delayed implantation or maybe the doe can store sperm. Has anyone else seen this? Edited by redbunny, Sep 20 2013, 02:34 PM.
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| sidd-says-gimme | Sep 20 2013, 11:56 AM Post #2 |
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sidd says stay gold
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Very strange but interesting... hope someone has ideas! |
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| Disney | Sep 20 2013, 12:26 PM Post #3 |
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Somebunny is a awfully chatty
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When was the last time she was with the buck and you seperated them? If you let her in with the buck until before delivery then it's very much possible that the doe took a second time if her second horn/uteris was free. They can carry 2 different litters at the same time. The bucks get very aroused if they are around a high pregnany doe because they KNOW it's almost time for her to birth so they can impregnate her again, considering the fact that doe's are highly receptive after birth. For example, i have bucks roam free in the backyard for 2 years and it has happened on multiple occasions that the buck stayed near a doe that was either highly pregnant or just had given birth. The buck would easily guard her cage for a week. And during this time the bucks are very loud by contantly buzzing. You can hear it from a distance. It's the noise they make when they are excited/aroused and want to court a female. You will hear this often when you put them together for breeding, the buck will most likely make this sound while chasing her. So your buck probably harassed your doe for quite a bit and persuaded her to breed again. This is a possible scenario in your doe's case but i don't know the situation so i'm only guessing. |
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| redbunny | Sep 20 2013, 02:37 PM Post #4 |
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Disney, thank you. The two horn uterus sounds interesting and I am convinced re does close to birth and mating again. This isn't a situation I want and so will not leave bucks in next time. I thought it was nice for the usually solitary buns to have company. |
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| ZRabbits | Sep 21 2013, 05:35 AM Post #5 |
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Love My Lions!
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If bucks can store sperm for a month after castration, a doe can store unborn babies. It's due to the "wild" part of their background. Wild rabbits do this because they need to reproduce many kits, as they are on the bottom of the food chain. Domesticated rabbits are the same. Just because they are domesticated, doesn't mean they don't have the "hard wire" to be a wild bunny. That's why I will have separate crates for does and bucks. They can live next to one another, but not together. I find the Z-Tribe enjoy the company of one next to them. Plus I make sure who reproduces and how many litters I bring into this world by keeping my does and bucks separately and only bringing them together in a neutral environment to mate. My Z-Tribe are very comfortable in their own space. But when out and about, all get long. No friction except for Kreacher who is the very dominant one. He's also our smallest and was sickly at the beginning. I think that has a lot to do with his personality. My stand-alone bunny. |
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| redbunny | Sep 22 2013, 05:20 AM Post #6 |
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Well Z that's evidence then that it's possible. If I were really honest I'd say I was pleased my Hotot doe did this because her second litter had an incredible six perfectly marked hotots which gives my oroject a huge boost for next year and I didn't have to wait four weeks etc. she's doing very well. Surprisingly the second litter didn't mean she plucked herself naked.....in fact I didn't know she had them for a week. Buried beneath the recently vacated nest before I'd cleaned the compartment out. |
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| ZRabbits | Sep 22 2013, 05:55 AM Post #7 |
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Love My Lions!
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So thrilled that the second litter came out perfect for you. And sounds like it really didn't hurt your doe. She was smart to use the same nest. Good Mum. But good mums need a bit of a rest too. I know Luna was a bit tuckered out after her excellent job of raising my girls. |
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| redbunny | Sep 22 2013, 12:27 PM Post #8 |
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Absolutely agree with you Z. I like mine to rest and recover. Grow back their coat, put on condition and just chill. |
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| redbunny | Sep 27 2013, 11:41 AM Post #9 |
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It's happened yet again. A black doe had a bew buck with her up until three days before giving birth when I removed him. She has four week old kits and had just built a nest again. I had big plans for her with a new black buck.....so that can't happen now. So, buck do their bit from now on and then back to her own hutch for the doe. |
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| ZRabbits | Sep 28 2013, 05:38 AM Post #10 |
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So sorry to hear it happened again. Best to keep your bucks and does separate, only bringing them together for breeding. Things like this do screw up big plans. Hoping Mum can take care of the 4 week olds and her new kits. Will you wean the 4 week olds earlier than you plan to help the new kits get what they need from Mum? |
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| redbunny | Sep 28 2013, 01:57 PM Post #11 |
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Dear Z, I'm kinda over run...... |
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| Disney | Sep 28 2013, 04:27 PM Post #12 |
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Somebunny is a awfully chatty
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If you have any more pregnan't doe's that are sitting with the buck, i would remove them. And with future breedings, seperate them as soon as the bucks job is done. This messes with your breeding plan and will exhaust your doe's if you're not careful. Edited by Disney, Sep 28 2013, 07:35 PM.
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| ZRabbits | Sep 29 2013, 06:00 AM Post #13 |
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Love My Lions!
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Sorry to hear that. You are not the only one. Many breeders start out and get inundated with rabbits they can't place. And though it's nice for rabbits to live together, if they are not neutered or spayed, you are going to have lots of unplanned pregnancies. And with rabbits, because they are "prey" animals have to reproduce constantly. It's "hardwired" in them. That's why bucks can store their sperm and get a doe pregnant even after neutering. Does will have kits right after the other. Separate everyone. Does have their space, bucks have theirs. Assess all the kits you have, find the ones you want to keep to help your program and start placing ads or get "word of mouth" that you have to downsize. Doing this will definitely help you. Having all those rabbits would be very unsettling for me. The expense of feeding them all, and cage space. That's why I've only had one litter. Plus with all the research I've been doing, help from kind people here, I know it would be a lost cause, with lots of unshowable rabbits if I would continue with my line of LH's. I could only sell as pets because I couldn't really sell to show breeders because of all the hidden stuff that could pop up and hurt someone's line. |
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| Disney | Sep 29 2013, 07:20 AM Post #14 |
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I don't now exactly know what you mean by storing sperm but if you keep the buck seperate 2 weeks after neutering, the remaining semen will die off and he will become infertile. Male rabbits here always get neutered, wait 2 weeks and then bonded with a doe. I neutered my buck last year october, waited 10 days and then put hem with the doe's and no litters were born. And i have had used this buck for breedings before fixing him. He never mounts the doe's either. Edited by Disney, Sep 29 2013, 07:22 AM.
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| ZRabbits | Sep 29 2013, 08:00 AM Post #15 |
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Love My Lions!
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I heard a month, plus with hormones it can take up to 6 weeks for a buck to settle down after neutering. So bonding should be attempted after the settling down period. Aggressiveness due to hormones will start a fight right away between rabbits, no matter what combination you try to bond with (buck/doe, doe/doe, buck/buck). And trying to do it too early can cause problems. And those problems can be very expensive medical bills as rabbits can really hurt each other trying to show dominance. Which is another "hardwired" aspect of rabbits. Though some like to think they all live in harmony in the wild, they are territorial (just look at the does) and will fight to the death to protect their area. I have been through the experience of three neutered males. Took my ND a bit over two weeks to see the results, but after a month my Polish was still "hormone" aggressive to a point I had to split the two, who were bonded from birth because of 'barbering'. My Flemish I could see settle down in about 3 weeks. As with this and everything else I've learned from my Z-Tribe, they are all individuals, going at their own pace. |
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