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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 14 2013, 06:05 AM (644 Views) | |
| ZRabbits | Oct 14 2013, 06:05 AM Post #1 |
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This drug might be good for dogs and cats but it is FATAL to rabbits. This is the medication that was used to "Sedate" Fawkes to get an x-ray. Buprenex is a medication that is used to treating moderate to severe pain. Fawkes at that time, was "uncomfortable" per the Vet. It is a narcotic analgesic which works by working in the brain and nervous system to decrease pain. Can cause drowsiness or dizzyiness. It is for tissue inflamation due to infection or pathological disease, tissue necrosis, tissue spasms, ischemia, trauma resulting in wounds, fractures, and joint issues, NONE that Fawkes had. It was deemed a blockage. It is listed under the "Extra Label Medication under the Animal Medical Drug Use Clarification". This was given by injection. Buprenex 0.5 mg/ml 0-30 lb per injection. Weight is for Dogs and Felines. Fawkes was at 13.2 lbs. Basically it numbed Fawkes brain, made him so dizzy that he could not lift his head. The Vet used another "Dog & Cat" med by the name of Cerenia to help with the dizzyiness, but did nothing on a rabbit that it would on a dog or feline. The drooling came because of the "dead' nerves in his mouth, if anyone one has had a tooth drilled or pulled and novicane is used and you drool because everything is numb. He aspirated because of the amount of drool. And the drool had nothing to do with abscesses because the Vet checked Fawkes' mouth and nothing was there. When going to an Emergency Clinic, that does state they work with rabbits or "exotic" pets, wouldn't you think, even though the Vet says he's a "Dog" doctor, but says he knows rabbits, would give the Proper sedative? So now I know that when I have a sick Z-Tribe member, I MUST know EVERYTHING! I now MUST ask about medication, even though a Vet says they KNOW rabbits. Even when a Emergency Clinic says they KNOW rabbits. My Fawkes was given a "death sentence" for an x-ray that was supposed to give clues to HELP save his life. I just wanted others to know this and to STAY CLEAR of this medication for your rabbits. It may be good for dogs and cats, but it is FATAL for rabbits. |
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| NeuBunny | Oct 14 2013, 08:30 AM Post #2 |
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Genetics Geek!
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thanks for sharing through your pain. hopefully the information will help save another bunny's life. |
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| TherapyBunnies | Oct 14 2013, 04:07 PM Post #3 |
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Hey, look at you! You chatterbox you. Now you can request a new title! PM the Admin to do so
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So sorry. Too many losses for the Z-Tribe.
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Cara Licensed Clinical Social Worker, Therapy Bunny Breeder, Chaplain. Lionheads are my focus & Giant Chinchilla is my son's. My daughter's focus is Mini Lops and she has couple of show / pet rabbits. | |
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| ZRabbits | Oct 15 2013, 05:38 AM Post #4 |
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Hopefully this information helps, as watching the affects this drug had on Fawkes was heart wrenching. |
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| ZRabbits | Oct 15 2013, 05:49 AM Post #5 |
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Thanks for your kindness. Losing a companion or any animal is hard. Tonks was a complete shock to us, but what we went through with Fawkes, under this medication, was just plan animal cruelty. I've rerun the events over and over again, and know in my heart my rabbit suffered so. He was in pain in his body, but his head was numb, and he could not lift it. We did everything to comfort him. He could hear our voices and feel our touch, so hopefully he understood we were trying so hard to help him. And those last minutes, I just can't stop thinking the suffering and fear Fawkes was going through trying to just breath. It was wrong. Veternarian knew they screwed up. Vet kept saying how rabbits stress easy and that little things make them die. That surgery is dangerous and that should be the last option. That a rabbit, to stop so much stress, should wake up at home, surrounded by those who the rabbit trusts, around surroundings he knows. Feel we were getting the "bum rush" out of there because of the huge error of judgement on their part. |
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| NeuBunny | Oct 15 2013, 02:36 PM Post #6 |
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Have to say, I've never heard of any doctor or vet sending a patient home before anesthesia was completely worn off. That just seems odd. |
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| ZRabbits | Oct 16 2013, 05:07 AM Post #7 |
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Not odd, if you really look at it. I see it as a professional that screwed up and wanted his screw up to be gone from his sight. Like, out of sight, out of mind. Completely unprofessional. With the rest of the staff going along. Except for the Vet Tech, that kept throwing clues to what the Vet actually did. Vet told me that he would be up and about, ready for us to "get him moving" in 2 hours. The Vet tech told me, "oh it will be much later. We always put in hay for them." When the Vet Tech brought Fawkes to us, he was awake. When we got Fawkes home, Fawkes was able to hop from the carrier to the crate, but a bit wobbly. Fawkes got worse after that. So does anesthesia work that way? Or was it the affect of the dog medicine given by the Vet? So basically I was told by the Vet that it was for pain management and NOT anesthesia. Vet tech told me differently in her own way. Total cluster. And the one that was hurt that was supposed to be helped was my Fawkes. Dog Vets should stick to Dogs. Both Dog Vets, we saw, could say all the right things, read the script really well on rabbits, but had no clue of actually helping a rabbit that was ill. Totally unprofessional. I actually stated to the Vet that Fawkes saw a dog Vet who really didn't know rabbits. The Vet said, "I'm a dog Vet". At that moment, deep down, I knew we were in trouble. After talking to the Vet after the X-rays, and Vet chuckled and said Fawkes was laid out flat. I said the pain meds must of relaxed him to rest. Fawkes had a rough night and needed his rest. The Vet said no, and then started talking about dog and cat meds that were never used on rabbits. Talking about rabbits and stress and death. |
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| Bumper | Oct 16 2013, 01:37 PM Post #8 |
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That sounds awful. So sorry for your loss. I appreciate it, though that you would share your experience with us to learn from. |
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| ZRabbits | Oct 17 2013, 05:37 AM Post #9 |
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Thanks Bumper for your kindness. It WAS awful. And hopefully with writing this experience, no one else (owner and bunny) need to go through what we did. I've learned lots from those who have graciously written down their awful experiences. That's what makes a great forum. Sharing experiences (good and bad) to help those who want to enjoy the experience of these unique creatures. Knowledge is power. |
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| ZRabbits | Oct 17 2013, 06:20 AM Post #10 |
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Also did some research and found another Rabbit Savy Vet or should say Rabbit Savvy VETS. Already checked out their website. They are specialists in "exotic animals". Rabbits being one of those "exotic animals". And not too far away from us. Vet office has Saturday hours. For Sunday, if any of the Z-Tribe gets sick, it will be a trip to University of Penn Vet hospital. So we do have new plans for the Z-Tribe regarding illnesses. Now I need to sit down and write down the questions that will come up so that I have it all in front of me. Also need to get a list of meds that actually work for rabbits. Definitely will be having my "check list" ready and will share once I organize it completely. |
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| NeuBunny | Oct 17 2013, 07:15 AM Post #11 |
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Genetics Geek!
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Please share those lists when you have them! |
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| sidd-says-gimme | Oct 17 2013, 09:41 AM Post #12 |
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sidd says stay gold
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^ Agreed. I'm so glad that you were able to find some exotic vets in your area. Good job. |
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| ZRabbits | Oct 18 2013, 06:29 AM Post #13 |
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When I get the lists prepared, will definitely share with the rest. Also we will be making a trip this this new "Rabbit Savy" Vets office to talk to the doctors and staff, just to make sure. Will be writing a letter to the Veternarian Council and also the licensing board of the University of Pennsylvania Veternarian College letting them know exactly what this Vet did. We have the invoice with his signature. And we will scan it and send it. We did stop payment on all services rendered. Waiting to hear from them if they even have the nerve to contact. But it doesn't matter, the report will be submitted. Think everyone needs to know who to contact. Regardless of where you are in the World. This has got to stop. Rabbits are NO LONGER test animals. It's time to stand up for our rabbits, our companions, our hobby, our source of food, whatever avenue you travel with rabbits. And I'm not looking for someone to regulate it. I'm looking for someone to oversee what these guys are practicing. And how they treat owners and their rabbits. Time to bring Rabbits into the light. Maybe this will institute research, not as test rabbits, but an actual pet, or whatever. And please NO PETA will be involved. They are the problem, not the solution. |
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| sidd-says-gimme | Oct 18 2013, 12:19 PM Post #14 |
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sidd says stay gold
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Absolutely agree.
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| NeuBunny | Oct 18 2013, 12:27 PM Post #15 |
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Genetics Geek!
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rabbits are still used very extensively in testing (as is everything from viruses to primates and even - with informed consent - humans). But they aren't 'just' test animals or 'disposable pets'. And no vet who is charging you for their care should ever treat them as such. |
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So sorry. Too many losses for the Z-Tribe.

Absolutely agree.
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