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Topic Started: Jul 21 2014, 07:34 AM (2,437 Views)
Rikiiboy
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A rocket was launched against a commercial aircraft and about three hundred people are now dead,and the world rears up against this vile act.
Nearly twice as many are killed in Palestine and the world shrugs it's shoulders.
One,one minute look a a modern map of Palestine and anyone should be able to see the amount of ethnic cleansing that has taken place against the people of Palestine since 1946.
Over five million Palestinians have now been displaced,have the Israelians now become the very evil monster that they once fought against themselves?

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28397215
Edited by Rikiiboy, Jul 21 2014, 12:51 PM.
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Mobson
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Have been discussing this terrible situation on f/b...take time to look at the detailed graphs in this link which will explain the Israeli-Palestinian Apartheid.

http://www.popularresistance.org/understand-israeli-palestinian-apartheid-in-11-images/



Edited by Mobson, Jul 21 2014, 08:22 AM.
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Mobson
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There was a Palestinian 'Gaza' march in central London on Saturday...forming in Whitehall at midday, it moved off at 1pm via Trafalgar Square, Pall Mall, St James's Street, Hyde Park, Knightsbridge to Kensington High Street where a static rally took place. I was in the area escorting 35 Spanish students on an open top bus so we saw the march as it formed at the top of Whitehall and it looked well turned out...I do not know exactly how much press coverage it got though I certainly didn't see any!

Last night (Sunday) enroute to the Haymarket theatre at about 6pm, there was a peaceful demonstration at the end of Pall Mall...a man's voice over a tannoy system was singing in arabic as if he were calling all to prayer...it was very eerie...

Ways of drawing attention to this situation: Brit Artist Richard Hamilton's dramatic work called 'Maps of Palestine' - two maps, side by side, show Israel & Palestine at the time of the 1947 UN Partition & 2010...Palestine having been eroded and more fragmented by the occupation. Shown at the Serpentine gallery in 2010, the images stuck with me ever since...



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Caro

I don't think the world has shrugged its shoulders, Rikii. Every day at the moment we hear about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, as well as the MH17 flight, and both of them in detail. A couple of days ago there were American Jews talking of how upset they were about the way Israel was acting, and analysis of how abused people can end up abusing sometimes. The world of America supports Israel so this is always going to be a troubling situation while they supply weaponry and political help.

However, it is true that a single tragedy will always bring more publicity than on-going problems. In NZ we have around 300 people killed in road accidents a year (down a lot, though, from the 600 or so 40 years ago, when there was a smaller population and fewer cars), and while each accident is reported and there is much hand-wringing at times, having 29 miners killed at once, or hundreds in the Erebus disaster naturally made a bigger splash. For one thing there are usually major legal implications to these which have to be worked through.

I read a teenage fiction book quite recently from the point of view of Palestinian teenagers and hadn't quite realised till then just how prescribed their movements were. Trying to get to see relatives just a few miles away was a major and dangerous undertaking.
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Caro

Radio NZ National has just finished talking to the UN Gaza Field Office's Deputy Director of Operations about the situation in Palestine. Their written stuff said, "Gaza's health ministry says the Palestinian death toll from the two-week conflict has now passed 550, the majority of them civilians. 25 Israeli soldier and two Israeli civilians have been killed. The UN Relief and Works Agency operates shelters for Palestinian refugees in Gaza - and it says the situation is an emergency. Scott Anderson is the Gaza Field Office's Deputy Director of Operations, and he explains how the situation has escalated in recent days." They mentioned 100,000 refugees in Gaza, and that most of the schools are being used as shelters.
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waiting4atickle
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrPyQFM9LNY

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/382994/times-israel-editor-tears-apart-stewarts-israel-gaza-segment-molly-wharton

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Rikiiboy
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Somebody's looking now Mr Netanyahu!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28437626
Edited by Rikiiboy, Jul 23 2014, 10:45 AM.
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waiting4atickle
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It's only the UN, Rikii, so not very significant.

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Rikiiboy
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And the slaughter carries on..... (Why isn't the buffer zone 3m of Israelian land? Ohh it now is,silly me?)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28458377

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28468526
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Mobson
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Rikiiboy
Jul 24 2014, 10:29 AM
And the slaughter carries on...
...and on and on...after 17 people died and scores were injured when a United Nations-run school, where many Palestinian families fled for security, came under fire in Gaza on yesterday. This action led 10,000 protesters to march from Ramallah towards East Jerusalem last night, where they were met by Israeli forces; at least two Palestinians were killed and 200 wounded in the West Bank during the protests. Palestinian leaders in the West Bank have called for a "day of anger" on Friday, one of the last days of Ramadan.

More than 800 Palestinians and 35 Israelis have died since this latest Israel-Hamas conflict began on 8th July.

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Mobson
Jul 21 2014, 08:20 AM
There was a Palestinian 'Gaza' march in central London on Saturday...forming in Whitehall at midday, it moved off at 1pm via Trafalgar Square, Pall Mall, St James's Street, Hyde Park, Knightsbridge to Kensington High Street where a static rally took place. I was in the area escorting 35 Spanish students on an open top bus so we saw the march as it formed at the top of Whitehall and it looked well turned out...I do not know exactly how much press coverage it got though I certainly didn't see any!
Around 15,000 people marched in central London on 19th July...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/19/gaza-london-protest-pictures_n_5601766.html

There will be another demonstration protest tomorrow marching in reverse which is promising a much higher turnout of up to one million activists (they claimed to have marched 100,000 people last week) organised by the Stop the War Coalition, the Palestine Solidarity Campaign and a number of muslim groups..."Stop The Massacre in Gaza" will assemble outside the Israeli Embassy in Kensington High Street at midday; the march will move off at 1pm towards Parliament Square where there will be a static rally at 2.30pm, ending at 6pm.

http://www.palestinecampaign.org/next-london-demo-26th-july/

Official march route issued by the Metropolitan Police:
Kensington High Street>Kensington Gore>Kensington Road>Knightsbridge>Hyde Park Corner>Piccadilly>Coventry Street>Haymarket>Pall Mall East>Cockspur Street>Trafalgar Square>Whitehall>Parliament Street>Parliament Square
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Is that Norm's idea of a blockade? :'(

Breaking News: Gaza conflict: Israel and Hamas 'agree short truce' says BBC...

Israel and Hamas have agreed to a 12-hour pause in hostilities in Gaza, reports say.

The truce is due to begin at 0800 local time (0500 GMT). Efforts to negotiate a seven-day ceasefire are still ongoing.

Earlier US Secretary of State John Kerry said he was still confident of a longer ceasefire, despite media reports that Israel had rejected one proposal.

More than 800 Palestinians, mostly civilians, and 36 Israelis have died since the conflict started on 8th July.
Edited by Mobson, Jul 25 2014, 10:23 PM.
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The Palestinian death toll now stands at 935, officials say, since Israel began strikes against Hamas on 8th July. Thirty-eight Israelis have died.

US Secretary of State John Kerry is meeting the foreign ministers of Turkey, Qatar and several European countries later on Saturday in Paris in the hopes of agreeing a longer ceasefire.
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Latest news says Gaza death toll now over 1,000!
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Yet,another land grab by Israel.
What other reason could there be for bulldozing innocent family homes?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28507951
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To get a more factual outlook on the situation, this interview is essential viewing:-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewFW3EZsFIY&feature=youtu.be
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Hi Norm,what ever the Israelians claim,there is no getting away from the facts.The Israelians have stolen 90% of a country that was already occupied by the Palestinian people and have displaced 5m of them already.
The vast majority of Israelian targets have been innocent victims women and children,the vast majority of their casualties have been caused by their invasion into another country.
Personally the Israelian government should be charged with using weapons of mass destruction against non military targets,only three Israelian civilians had been killed by Hama's rockets,I believe the Israelians sole motivation is the total anhillilation of all Palestinians so the can claim the remaining 10%.
If people can't recognize this as ethnic cleansing they must be blind.
Edited by Rikiiboy, Jul 28 2014, 11:00 AM.
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If I had been a leader like Churchill at the end of the second world war before Germany was divided into East and West at the behest of Russia, controversial I know, but I would have allowed the Jews to lay claim to Germany, as punishment for the holocaust, and not given and taken a land occupied in the main by Palestinians.

Surely there can be no doubt what Israel is up to - they want all Palestinians out of Gaza...and by targeting civilians in the way they are currently doing, they are succeeding. Shocking scenes of devastation - homes flattened to the ground - and all this in the name of their religion....

Edited by Mobson, Jul 28 2014, 03:41 AM.
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Update..... http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html
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Like shooting fish in a barrel? (How many airborne helicopters,planes or tanks do the Palestinians have?)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28539528
Edited by Rikiiboy, Jul 29 2014, 07:45 AM.
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Everything was much calmer when we were running the middle east.
You must remember our Palestine Police hern.
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The UN ended that in 1947.
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Update.... (Obviously with buildings completely razed there will be no way of knowing where Hama's rockets were fired from?)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28554477

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28558433


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28573674
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Isn't anyone seeing the Israeli side of this confrontation?
Doesn't anyone realise how ruthless and cruel Hamas is...even to its own innocent Palestinian population. Their one aim is to totally obliterate Israel from the face of the earth and they will use any means available to achieve this.
It is Hamas who broke the recent cease fire. It is Hamas who for many years on a daily basis who have fired missiles on to Israeli soil. It is Hamas who, through its propaganda, has brought anti-Semitism back in the forefront around the world. It will be Hamas with the help of Isis and Al-Qaeda and the like, who, if we do not stop them soon, will dominate the world.
It beats me as to why people cannot see the danger that lies ahead of us all!
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They're going to take a while to dominate the world, Norm, at the rate of one rather ineffective missile every now and again, except during flare-ups. I compare it with what would happen in NZ if someone - Muslim/Maori/disaffected person - throw a missile or fired a gun and killed someone. They might themselves be shot, their group might be interrogated, but there would be no widespread state violence towards them, and after a while the authorities would try to work out what the problem was. A few years ago there was a big fuss because some Maori, from tribe who has had on-going problems with NZ governments from the 1840s on, were raided and there were headlines of terrorism which made world news, I think. A few years on, and the chief of NZ police has been to the tribe's marae (its meeting place) and apologised for police actions, which had frightened children and residents and was considered in some respects unlawful. Israel just seems to plough on without trying to negotiate properly, and using massively out-of-proportion methods. It's very hard to have sympathy with Israel, even if they do have a lot to cope with. As individuals too they are rather aggressive too and keen to assert their rights. (The Palestinians may be the same, for all I know, but it is Israelis who travel as tourists here and offend people.)

Hamas are the elected representatives in Palestine and I am a bit bemused about how ideas of not assassinating state leaders etc fits here. No government would kill Hitler personally (shame really). Why is Hamas different?
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Caro,
I agree that persistent firing of missiles is not going to conquer the world. You are probably like me and most of the rest of us, we live in a close friendly community among friends and relatives. How would we like it if EVERY DAY for SEVERAL YEARS we were bombarded from the enemy on our doorstep?
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Well, not as bad as having your children killed in safe houses and schools in their hundreds. We had an ex-airpilot from Israeli on the radio this morning - "a Jew and an Israeli" he called himself, saying he had not been able to live with what he was expected to do (though he had not had to kill anyone) and was now an activist against Israel's activities. He said 90% of Israelis supported their government but they were told very little about the actual conflict. "The news headline today said 5 Israeli military dogs had been killed. No mention of the hundreds of Palestinians." And he said without America's 3 billion dollars annually the conflict would end in hours.

That's what I feel too. If only America would stop her support of Israel this would all end.
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A temporary cease fire has been agreed,can't see it lasting too long as the Israelian troops are remaining in Gaza.
Yes Caro, the Iraelies have atomic weapons battleships,fighter aircraft,guided missiles,fully trained troops and of course the iron dome defence system. So far Hamas has only killed 4 Israelian civillians.
Whereas the Israelian campaign has injured or killed up to 8,000 Palestinians with just a few home made rockets for defence,sledgehammer to crack a nut? more like a bulldozer to crush an ant?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/28596609
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Like I said earlier,the ceasefire couldn't last while Israelian troops were still inside their enemy's territory.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28602017
Edited by Rikiiboy, Aug 1 2014, 08:05 PM.
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Update.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28586190
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It appears to me that our leaders are more interested in upsetting our Russian allies? Than condemning the ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
Why are Obama and Cameron not publically condemning Israel for continuing to slaughter innocent civilians?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28628682

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/us-senate-doubles-funding-for-iron-dome/2014/07/16/

Gaza crisis 'intolerable' - Hammond http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28628577


Countries that are receiving the support of the U N, should obey their orders or lose that support.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28628682
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So..... Israel pull out of Gaza again? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28654229
Israel are saying they want Palestine disarmed.
Surely there should be disarming on both sides as it is now crystal clear,Israel cannot be trusted to use theirs either?
Warsi quits as minister over Gaza http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28656874
Edited by Rikiiboy, Aug 5 2014, 08:58 AM.
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Peanut comes out of his shell...? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/05/jimmy-carter-pushes-us-to-recognize-hamas-slams-israel-in-op-ed/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+(Internal+-+Politics+-+Text)
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An honest Israeli Jew tells the Real Truth about Israel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etXAm-OylQQ&feature=player_embedded
Edited by caissier, Aug 7 2014, 04:49 AM.
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Hello Caissier,quite an interesting and powerful point of view there,thanks for posting it.
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On,off,on,off,on! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28702394
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Israel still giving the iron boot to Palestians on Gaza strip,inflicting hundreds of times more damage (than they are receiving themselves from the home made rockets of Palestine) against the civilians there, with wild abandon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28702394

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28715052

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28688179

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28666562
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Israel might think that their protective edge policy was the correct one,but there are many now speaking out against them now.
This myopic action from Israel has seen a huge rise in antisemitism from all over the globe.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28732928

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/09/anti-semitism-europe/13662903/
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I'm not sure the Israelis are greatly bothered about Jews in the rest of the world - unless they're funding them, of course. In any case, a rise in antisemitism may encourage more Jewish people to migrate to Israel, which they would probably view as a good thing. It's a pity, though, that so many people seem unable to distinguish between Israelis and Jews.

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If Hamas stopped fighting, there would be no war. If Israel stopped fighting, there would be no Israel
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Aug 11 2014, 09:00 PM
If Hamas stopped fighting, there would be no war. If Israel stopped fighting, there would be no Israel


In the last war,it was called "resistance" today it is called "terrorism"?

What other country has no rights of self defence,Norm?
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Another shaky ceasefire... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28782224

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/gaza-conflict-israel-hamas-extend-ceasefire
Edited by Rikiiboy, Aug 14 2014, 07:18 AM.
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Dennis Miller is a political commentator, TV host, and stand-up comedian…….

an interesting point of view…with a lot of truth in it


Dennis Miller-Live on HBO. Although he is not Jewish, he recently had the following to say about the Middle East situation:

'A brief overview of the situation is always valuable, so as a service to all Americans who still don't get it, I now offer you the story of the Middle East in just a few paragraphs, which is all you really need.'

Here we go:



The Palestinians want their own country. There's just one thing
about that: There are no Palestinians. It's a made up word.



Israel was called Palestine for two thousand years. Like 'Wiccan,' 'Palestinian' sounds ancient but is really a modern invention. Before the Israelis won the land in the 1967 war, Gaza was Owned by Egypt, the West Bank was owned by Jordan,and there were no Palestinians.'

As soon as the Jews took over and started growing oranges as big as basketballs, what do you know, say hello to the 'Palestinians,? weeping for their deep bond with their lost 'land' and 'nation.'

So for the sake of honesty, let's not use the word 'Palestinian' any more to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone Points out they're being taped. Instead, let's call them what they are: 'Other Arabs Who Can't Accomplish Anything In Life And Would Rather
Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death.'

I know that's a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN. How about this, then: 'Adjacent Jew-Haters.'



Okay, so the Adjacent Jew-Haters want their own
country. Oops, just one more thing: No, they don't. They could've had their own country. Anytime in the last thirty years, especially several years ago at Camp David . But If you have your own country, you have to have traffic lights and garbage trucks. And Chambers of Commerce, and, worse, you
actually have to figure out some way to make a living.

That's no fun. No, they want what all the other Jew-Haters in the region want: Israel. They also want a big pile of dead Jews, of course that's where the Real fun is -- but mostly they want Israel .

Why? For one thing, trying to destroy Israel - or 'The Zionist Entity' as their Textbooks call it -- for the last fifty years has allowed the rulers of Arab Countries to divert the attention of their own people away from the fact that they're the blue-ribbon most illiterate, poorest, and tribally backward on God's Earth, and if you've ever been around God's Earth, you
know that's really saying something.

It makes me roll my eyes every time one of our pundits waxes poetic about the great history and culture of the Muslim Mid east. Unless I'm missing something, the Arabs haven't given anything to the world since Algebra, and, by the way, thanks a hell of a lot for that one.

Chew this around and spit it out: Five hundred million Arabs; five Million Jews.

Think of all the Arab countries as a football field, and Israel as a pack of matches sitting in the middle of it. And now these same folks swear that if Israel gives them half of that pack of matches, everyone will be pals.

Really? Wow, what neat news. Hey, but what about the string of wars to obliterate the tiny country and the constant din of rabid blood oaths to drive every Jew into the sea? Oh, that? We were just kidding.

My friend, Kevin Rooney, made a gorgeous point the other day: Just reverse the Numbers. Imagine five hundred million Jews and five million Arabs. I was stunned at the simple brilliance of it. Can anyone picture the Jews strapping belts of razor blades and dynamite to themselves? Of course not.

Or marshalling every fibre and force at their disposal for generations todrive a tiny Arab State into the sea? Nonsense.

Or dancing for joy at the murder of Innocents? Impossible.

Or spreading and believing horrible lies about the Arabs baking their bread with the blood of children? Disgusting.

No, as you know, left to themselves in a world of peace, the worst Jews would ever do to people is debate them to death.

However, in any big-picture strategy, there's always a danger of losing moral weight. We've already lost some. After September 11th our president told us and the world he was going to root out all terrorists and the countries that supported them. Beautiful. Then the Israelis, after months and months of having the equivalent of an Oklahoma City every week (and then
every day) start to do the same thing we did, and we tell them to show restraint.

If America were being attacked with an Oklahoma City every day, we would all very shortly be screaming for the administration to just be done with it and kill everything south of the Mediterranean and east of the Jordan ..













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I received the following in an email today, I cannot vouch for it, as I do not know if it is true or not. Tesco is named after the wife of the founder of the company, Tessa Cohen
If it is true, then we are losing the war aren't we? :-


"I heard that Tesco's were planning to remove all Israeli supplied goods from their shelves and at first laughed it off thinking there is no way it could be true.... But then I took it upon myself to call their head office and spoke with a guy called Reiss from the customer services team. He just confirmed that they will be terminating their contract with all Israeli suppliers at the end of this year due to a high volume of complaints from customers accusing them of being pro-Israel, Reiss also tells me that Tesco's would remove all Israeli stock from their shelves now if they could as they don't support Israel but are unable to do this because they are contractually obliged to do so until the end of the year. He appreciates this may offend Israelis or anyone of the Jewish faith but this is a diplomatic decision that the company has made due to the number of complaints received".
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And for the doubting Thomases amongst you all,here is the latest Palestinian land grab news by Israel!

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29008045
Edited by Rikiiboy, Sep 1 2014, 03:30 AM.
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I didn't see a mention of how much they are paying the Palestinian owners of the land.
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Yet more Israeli ethnic cleansing?

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29122352
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Another voice in the wilderness?

The Guardian: Shlomo Sand: ‘I wish to resign and cease considering myself a Jew’ http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIw09WzuR8
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Powerful stuff,this from Al Jazeera.

http://m.aljazeera.com/story/20141028144946266462
Edited by Rikiiboy, Nov 6 2014, 08:47 AM.
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It looks like Netanyahu is spoiling for a fight again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-30107446
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It seems blatantly obvious to many of us that are sitting on the fence, that neither Israel or Iran can honestly be trusted to own or deploy atomic powered weaponary.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-30180881



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Actually I've been watching Al Jazeera lately and come across a fantastic multi-part series, The First World War Through Arab Eyes ..... very informative about the detail of events in the ME, N Africa and Turkey .....with fascinating archive material I've never seen a hint of before, giving a strong support for the 'Eurocentric' criticism of what we see.

I don't know how reliable AJ is - lots of ex-Beeb work for it apparently - but it is breath of fresh air-ish.

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/specialseries/2014/11/world-war-one-through-arab-eyes-20141114133936678600.html

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Nov 24 2014, 07:55 PM
It seems blatantly obvious to many of us that are sitting on the fence, that neither Israel or Iran can honestly be trusted to own or deploy atomic powered weaponary.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-30180881



It seems sadly obvious that so much of the misery in the world today would start to decrease if only Israel would give up its selfish, religiously mad determination to eventually swallow the West Bank and create a greater Israel but it seems nobody can do anything about it.

We are fated it appears for perpetual terrorism, bloodshed of innocents and international mayhem ..... all because of a deluded, pointless idea.
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Hello caissier, as far as I now know 130 countries recognise the state of Palestine,sadly Israel is so deluded it thinks it belongs to them alone.( I seem to remember hearing about a German leader wanting the same between 39 and 45.) I wasn't born till 49 BTW.
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Out of the frying pan into the fire?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-30790407

( With 80% of Israel already being of the Jewish faith and the rest mainly Arabs being treated like 2nd class citizens,are the Israelis now creating what they ran away from? )
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Interesting piece, Rikii. Leaving aside the question of the Arab-Israeli conflict, it is very sad if Jews do not feel safe in Europe - we surely have no quarrel with them - and it is usually a bad omen.

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Jan 13 2015, 08:45 AM

Interesting piece, Rikii. Leaving aside the question of the Arab-Israeli conflict, it is very sad if Jews do not feel safe in Europe - we surely have no quarrel with them - and it is usually a bad omen.

Hello tickle, it's very sad indeed but whereas four people of the same faith being murdered anywhere is an absolute tradgedy it it enough to make a whole race want to become so ethnically cleansed and intolerant to a neighbour who just wants compensation or their lands back?
The Israelis keep blaming the Muslims for their aggression,IMHO if Palestine where to call for a jihad to get their lands back,millions there would join.
The members of the Jewish faith should be very careful and remember the adage about keeping all your eggs in one basket,no?

And.... reading on it appears you are right, the last conflict with Israel and Palestine has caused world wide condemnation,with the ripples of antisemitism spreading, all of a sudden more innocent Jewish people are being persecuted again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30723713

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Does this ruling in an American court mean that Americans will also be compensating Palestine for the weaponary they supplied to Israel which has been deployed recently in the murder of over 2,000 innocent civilians?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-31582463

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/us-firm-condemnation-shelling-un-school-gaza
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No changes here for the ethnic cleansers?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31953207
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and... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32581004
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Gaza: 'Israeli war crimes' followed soldier's capture - Amnesty - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-33700343
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Straight from the horse's mouth?
What other analogy could you make to describe their ethnic cleansing?

Israel's Netanyahu criticises military official over Nazi claim - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36241210
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/11/slams-israeli-plan-legalise-settlement-outposts-161115072335685.html
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Israel will simply ignore this?

14 UN Security Council members vote in favour as US abstains in demanding Israel halt settlements on Palestinian land.
http://aje.io/wphb
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Well....That didn't last long?

Israel settlements: Netanyahu snubs 'shameful' UN vote - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38425512
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Update.....

Israeli PM summons US ambassador amid UN vote row - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38431399

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Our government is also offside with Israel - they were one of the four members of the security council who promoted this action. It's the first time the US has abstained, instead of vetoing this type of action. I haven't read why. Could it be Barack Obama's last political action while he is in office? or does he not have that power?
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I keep up, as best I can, with what is happening in that part of the world - and wish all the best to the ordinary folk who are just trying to lead normal lives, and to just stay alive.

I grew up in Belfast during the Troubles - so I know what it is to be lucky that you weren't in the wrong place at the wrong time, when a bomb went off.

I still enjoy visiting my family in Belfast but what always depresses me is this:

In the Catholic districts, they fly the Palestine flag.
And in the Protestant districts, it's the Israel flag.

Those flag-waving assholes can't even solve our Irish problem but they are sticking their noses into the complex affairs of countries that they know nothing about.

They are using the imagery of another troubled land to just score points against each other.

As much as I love Belfast, my home town -
I love Dublin, where I live, much better
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Israel approves settlement homes following Trump inauguration - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38711701
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Building plan for occupied West Bank came two days after more than 500 settlement homes were approved in East Jerusalem.
http://aje.io/lrcg
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NZ is in trouble with the Israeli ambassador (and Donald Trump) for not supporting Trump's insistence on making Jerusalem Israel's capital. Nine countries, I gather, supported his motion (mostly minor Pacific ones), Australia and Canada were among those who abstained, and I don't know what Britain did. Trump says it will help bring peace; I think the opposite.
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Trump (or those pushing his buttons) is only interested in causing trouble, nothing else. Steve Bannon is already on record as saying his strategy is to 'move fast and break things'. We have similar in the UK with the 'cliff-edge' brexiteers. No good will come of any of it.
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