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| Rikiiboy | Oct 18 2015, 09:54 PM Post #1 |
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The UK's vote on our European exit draws ever near,it may end up with a simple yes or no vote for all of us. IMHO, I can't see any way that we can remain in the EU as politicians will ultimately make this a vote against unlimited European immigration which without major polices making drastic changes on the human rights laws and immigration regarding the UK will make these two issues alone an insurmountable mountain? |
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| rumbaba | May 11 2016, 06:44 PM Post #101 |
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I really don't understand how anyone can take Boris seriously, regardless of which side of the debate they are on. He talks in random soundbites, he's like a posher version of Trump. |
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| Rikiiboy | May 12 2016, 06:32 AM Post #102 |
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EU referendum: Migrant job data to be published - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36271390 |
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| rumbaba | May 15 2016, 08:28 AM Post #103 |
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/15/boris-johnson-likens-eu-to-nazi-superstate Just when you think he can't sink any lower, Boris digs a sewer to stand in |
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| Rikiiboy | May 15 2016, 01:29 PM Post #104 |
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Only about five weeks To go! Share content Title: EU%20referendum%20issues%20guide Text: What%20the%20leave%20and%20remain%20sides%20are%20saying%20in%20the%20%23EUref%20campaign |
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| Rikiiboy | May 15 2016, 01:31 PM Post #105 |
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Only about five weeks To go! EU referendum issues guide: Explore the arguments - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36027205 |
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| Douglas | May 17 2016, 10:24 PM Post #106 |
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David Cameron is still preaching that Britain will be better in a reformed EU. No doubt, but there is no chance of reform. The concessions he has got come nowhere near the reform that is required and even they may prove to be empty promises. The Eurocrats are determined on full integration. If they achieve that and the promises are empty, we would be in it, like it or not. If the promises hold, we will be neither in nor out, the worst possible outcome. However, it is highly likely that the Eurozone will collapse and, with it, the whole EU. Do we want to wait for that or get out while the going is good ? |
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| Rikiiboy | May 19 2016, 06:13 AM Post #107 |
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Steve Baker MP accuses EU Remain campaign of 'petty smears' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36327880 Very little has changed here over the passing of time,(since the opening posting) our lemming type leaders ( the blind leading the blind?) are still living their subnivean existence expecting us all to toe the thin red line,but even though this issue doesn't really concern those of us over sixty five,I will still be voting out. Why? Because without change, nothing changes,innit? Edited by Rikiiboy, May 19 2016, 06:32 AM.
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| Rikiiboy | May 23 2016, 04:57 PM Post #108 |
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EU referendum: Brexit 'would spark year-long recession' - Treasury - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355564 Our leaders just don't get it do they? Our schools,housing,local jobs,NHS and space to live are all being overwhelmed my immigration. Why can't they see that with all the mechanisation of our few remaining industries going on with gusto,the last thing our massively in debt nation needs is more people! |
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| Rikiiboy | May 26 2016, 01:50 PM Post #109 |
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Dave's bum will be twitching now! Net migration to UK rises to 333,000 - second highest on record - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36382199 Edited by Rikiiboy, May 26 2016, 01:51 PM.
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| Rikiiboy | May 28 2016, 10:34 PM Post #110 |
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IMO it was Millibands failure to tackle our immigration control that cost the labour party a massive amount of seats in the last general election. If ever the brexit group needed a final boost then his meddling will give it a serious injection of hope! EU referendum: Miliband 'call to arms' for young voters - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36403826 |
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| Rikiiboy | May 30 2016, 07:52 PM Post #111 |
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Pollster: Over-65s 'hard nut for Remain to crack' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36396710 |
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| Rikiiboy | May 31 2016, 04:16 PM Post #112 |
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EU referendum: Voters want EU facts not fighting - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36419779 |
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 5 2016, 09:16 AM Post #113 |
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Mr grey steps into the affray! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36454645 |
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 7 2016, 08:07 AM Post #114 |
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Well....with less than a fortnight to go all the remain camp appears to be throwing at us is an economic bomb! The people want jobs and job security with a decent living wage,followed by homes,schools,hospitals and a lot better care in their communities. A massive failure by this and previous government's on mass immigration policies have now left our nation swamped with low paid unskilled workforces. With wages now ever decreasing and domestic bills rapidly ascending I think most of us are now seriously thinking out? |
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| waiting4atickle | Jun 7 2016, 10:53 PM Post #115 |
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I can't see many people voting Out for economic reasons. They may vote out because they think Brexit will result in lower immigration, even though it's unlikely to do so. The most credible reason for voting to leave is the sovereignty/democracy argument, but I'm not sure that's going to convince many people. Worth looking at Tony Benn on Youtube, though. |
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 8 2016, 05:41 PM Post #116 |
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Some people think we are being hoodwinked with the economic argument tickle? http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/677650/eu-referendum-brexit-reasons-to-vote-leave?_ga=1.86423770.391630678.1464613186 |
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| waiting4atickle | Jun 9 2016, 03:46 PM Post #117 |
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Some people think the world is flat. |
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 9 2016, 04:18 PM Post #118 |
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Perhaps our leaders have let the Brussels mob rule for so long now that they are now far too scared to consider governing by themselves? |
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| Caro | Jun 9 2016, 10:42 PM Post #119 |
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Compared with New Zealand Britain per head of population doesn't have a high immigration rate at all. It used to irritate me and bemuse me when we spent 10 months in England in 2004 that virtually every British person we talked to in shops, motels etc. bemoaned the rate of immigration. We do have a party here who wants to stem the flow of immigration (read: Chinese) and they are gaining a bit of traction, but still only get about 10% of the vote. However we have an MMP system, so they may be the kingmakers - their leader is a wily old political man (a pain in the neck really). I think countries have a lot more influence if they are part of a bloc. Having said that, I am very pleased that NZ statesmen didn't accept Australia's offer for us to join their federation. |
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| waiting4atickle | Jun 11 2016, 12:10 AM Post #120 |
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βIt is an outrage that people as ignorant as me are being asked to vote. This is a complicated matter of economics, politics, history, and we live in a representative democracy not a plebiscite democracy. You could make a case for having plebiscites on certain issues β I could imagine somebody arguing for one on fox hunting, for example β but not on something as involved as the European Union. This should be a matter for parliament.β Richard Dawkins David Mitchell |
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| Caro | Jun 11 2016, 12:30 AM Post #121 |
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Thanks for pointing me to that, w4at. I feel that about lots of things - the death penalty here, for example, is never talked about by our politicians, probably because they won't be changing NZ's stance on this, and don't want it to become part of the discourse among the people. But I think often politicans are more informed about things than the electorate - though sometimes they seem a bit removed from ordinary people's concerns. (They do, of course, gloss over inconvenient facts that don't suit their actions.) People often moan about our judges being too lenient (not true, as we have the second-highest imprisonment rate among OECD countries at least), but the judges are in possession of all the facts and the demeanour of the "criminals". |
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 15 2016, 12:30 PM Post #122 |
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So..... the scaremongering goes on....Surely if our economy with out is about to collapse then our economy would have collapsed anyway. Some things are so obvious I wonder if all our government's haven't been blinkered for yonks? Just where have they gotten the notion that we need more immigrants from? Surely more people was always going to lead to less going around to the rest of us,effectively they are creating a vacuum where we need more people to feed more people. I am definitely voting out and by the look of today's papers the outs look overwhelming! http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-release/417 Edited by Rikiiboy, Jun 15 2016, 12:55 PM.
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| waiting4atickle | Jun 16 2016, 12:52 AM Post #123 |
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You may be right, Rikii. As Rupert Murdoch says, why should we let unelected foreign nationals tell us what to do? |
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| waiting4atickle | Jun 17 2016, 01:21 PM Post #124 |
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http://openeurope.org.uk/intelligence/immigration-and-justice/norway-and-switzerland/ |
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 18 2016, 06:12 AM Post #125 |
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I MHO, it's all immigration in this country that needs reducing not just from the EU. We are almost on a par population wise with France,Germany and Spain,when we compare their land masses our population is already far too great. We could never grow enough food here to feed this massive population without importing vast amounts of produce. It's a huge birth control agenda that we need not more immigrants! http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingpaper/document/48 Edited by Rikiiboy, Jun 18 2016, 06:17 AM.
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| waiting4atickle | Jun 18 2016, 11:18 AM Post #126 |
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The level of immigration may be problematic, but I'm not convinced that Brexit will have much impact on it - unless, of course, Project Fear's apocalyptic predictions about the economy prove correct. No doubt the fact that Norway and Switzerland have much higher relative levels of immigration has much to do with their being more prosperous countries than UK. This morning's 2-part Referendum Special by the 'More or Less' team is worth a listen - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07jczmc#play |
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 18 2016, 12:40 PM Post #127 |
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Hello tickle,fhe way I see it is that if our government's to powerless to stem the tide of immigrants then the brexit vote is the only way! |
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| waiting4atickle | Jun 21 2016, 12:25 AM Post #128 |
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I don't see what difference Brexit will make, Rikii. We'll still have a Tory government, albeit with new inhabitants at nos. 10 and 11, and that govt. will negotiate to stay in the European Free Trade Area, a la Norway or Switzerland. and the price for that will be free movement of people. |
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 21 2016, 09:10 AM Post #129 |
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Hi all,free movement of people working.We have had over ten million come in here with proportionately less ever leaving. The biggest questions I would like answered are:- 1. How many people are there actually now in the UK. 2.With all the increasing mechanisation now going on here in this country of ours,just what is the purpose of all these extra immigrants,and who is going to maintain them all when all their jobs have gone? |
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| waiting4atickle | Jun 21 2016, 10:30 AM Post #130 |
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1. 64.121 million - http://www.livepopulation.com/country/united-kingdom.html 2. Nearly 32m* are in some form of employment, which is a record high number. That represents roughly 75% of the working age population, It's difficult finding stats for the %age of people in employment 50 or 60 years ago, when mechanisation really kicked in, but it would likely have been less than 75%, since the majority of women were "economically inactive". The main effect of mechanisation seems to be on the nature (and location) of jobs rather than the number. I find it hugely disappointing: when I was young, in the days of the "white heat of technology", I looked forward to a life of indolent leisure. *According to official statistics, that is. |
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| Mobson | Jun 21 2016, 10:41 AM Post #131 |
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After reading this .... http://www.strongerin.co.uk/divided_we_fall_a_vote_to_leave_the_european_union_would_diminish_both_britain_and_europe#wmki7tlfhiqC41eu.97 and watching this... (if you start watching - do watch until the end!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8 I'M IN !!!!! |
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 21 2016, 01:23 PM Post #132 |
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I am sorry to say tickle that IMHO I think there are. Millions more than our government thinks there are because we have failed miserably to correctly monitor the amount of people that enter illegally or legally here for decades. I am of the opinion that there are at least 70 m here already. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/09/is-britain-full-home-truths-about-population-panic http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/key-topics/illegal-immigration Edited by Rikiiboy, Jun 21 2016, 09:59 PM.
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| waiting4atickle | Jun 22 2016, 01:50 AM Post #133 |
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No point in asking if you know the real number, Rikii. As for the number who are here illegally, that's hard to quantify, but it will still be the same if we leave the EU - which is not the same thing as voting in UKIP. |
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 22 2016, 07:01 AM Post #134 |
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Why have the white British left London? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21511904 |
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| waiting4atickle | Jun 22 2016, 09:09 AM Post #135 |
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I think you might like this, Rikii - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j-Gb8Pk2Pk |
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| waiting4atickle | Jun 22 2016, 09:32 AM Post #136 |
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This seems about right: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/20/brexit-fake-revolt-eu-working-class-culture-hijacked-help-elite?CMP=twt_gu |
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| waiting4atickle | Jun 22 2016, 12:43 PM Post #137 |
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Something else you might like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4OWslOroaw |
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 22 2016, 05:26 PM Post #138 |
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Of course....If we do vote to exit from the EU then the blame will be on Cameron and the Conservative party. Holding a referendum at a time of mass anti immigration feelings and the failure and lack of a feasible attempt to adhere to their manifesto pledge to reduce immigration to ten's of thousands IMHO, that was the pledge that won the Tory party the last general election. Whatever the outcome of tomorrow's vote,surely changes are inevitable? |
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| waiting4atickle | Jun 23 2016, 11:32 AM Post #139 |
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I don't think there was a pledge to reduce immigration to tens of thousands. They said they wanted to see that and pledged to do various things designed to reduce immigration - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32302062. I wouldn't have thought that won them the election, since no-one in their right mind would have believed they could reduce immigration that much - but maybe there are a lot of such people. Politicians always get the blame, don't they? If there's a Remain vote, I imagine Cameron will remain in office and the Leave faction of the Tory party will be silenced for a while. But only for a while: if you watched the Enoch Powell clip, you will have heard him getting Robin Day to quote the passage, "Our continued membership depends on the continuing assent of Parliament", so there could be another referendum sooner than you think if we remain and things go pear-shaped. If there's a Brexit, I imagine DC will have to step down and may do so of his own volition. |
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 23 2016, 01:08 PM Post #140 |
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UK population increased by half a million, official figures show - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36605899 |
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| Caro | Jun 23 2016, 10:54 PM Post #141 |
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Our news is telling us that the Remain votes have won but I don't know by what percentage, and that was at 8am our time (9pm yours). I think they earlier said final results would be known by 11am our time. I am pleased with that, though if the Leave had won it might have been more interesting! |
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| Caro | Jun 24 2016, 02:40 AM Post #142 |
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Well, that wasn't right. They are still counting the votes and it must be 3.30AM for you - what an odd time to have results. But your country is much bigger than mine - our election results are usually through by 11PM. (And we usually can tell from the very first booths which way the wind is blowing - even though they always say it's early days yet.) The other oddity is that people are talking about this being a constitutional issue - I thought those usually needed a 75% result to change the status quo. I suppose it is only constitutional in the minds of people talking it, not officially. It does seem ridiculous to decide something as important as this by a straight 50% win. It shoulld have been done by politicians or a commission or something that had the facts beside them, with input from the public. Maybe follow this referendum with something else. However too late for that now. It's hard to escape the thought that this is being decided along class lines. Educated wealthy young people versus uneducated, older, working class, more socially conservative (with a small c). And leaving has become a way of protesting poor government/feeling not listened to. Others think people have focussed well on the issue of the EU/Britain governing itself. |
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| Mobson | Jun 24 2016, 05:22 AM Post #143 |
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It's twenty past six on Friday morning here in UK and with 5 more votes to count, the U.K. Is to Leave the European Union...as a result the Β£ has dropped to its lowest level since 1985! Certainly not the result I wanted or expected! |
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| Caro | Jun 24 2016, 07:29 AM Post #144 |
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And now David Cameron has resigned! Not to take place immediately, apparently. |
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| Mobson | Jun 24 2016, 01:02 PM Post #145 |
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No, not immediately...on/at or by the Conservative Party conference in October! Approximately 3 months of hearing Boris guffaw, Farage gloat and goodness who else do something! |
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 24 2016, 04:13 PM Post #146 |
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Sorry for the repeat posting!
Edited by Rikiiboy, Jun 24 2016, 05:11 PM.
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 24 2016, 04:16 PM Post #147 |
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Well Mobsy, there is more to this nation than the south east corner,where most of the downturn in our economy has virtually passed them by. Up north it's a totally different story altogether,people think employment has fallen but now untold numbers are on zero hour contracts,virtually every area north of Watford (in England ) voted leave. Edited by Rikiiboy, Jun 24 2016, 05:13 PM.
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| waiting4atickle | Jun 25 2016, 01:47 AM Post #148 |
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You seem to have got it pretty well spot on, Caro. I don't think there's any denying that it's a constitutional issue and if David Cameron had any sense he would have set a higher threshold for a Leave vote. It seems he's a fool as well as a knave. I think some people voted on the issue of democratic accountability, but relatively few, I suspect. And quite a lot of protest voting, too. Now we face the prospect of a serious financial and economic downturn - and not just in UK. Sadly, those hard-pressed northerners of whom Rikii speaks will probably suffer the most. They won't be the only ones, of course: I hate to think how much has been wiped off the value of my pension pot, which I was hoping to raid in the near future. Luke 23 comes to mind: Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. One can only hope the downturn is relatively short-term, but I'm not massively optimistic on that score. |
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| Mobson | Jun 25 2016, 07:17 AM Post #149 |
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It certainly seems so...and now we're on our own, there'll be no excuses if we don't take the bull by the horns and go free marketing! But since virtually half the country didn't vote to Leave, there will be interesting times ahead! And I am wondering just what effect this will have on the North/North East in the long term, let alone the country as a whole...excluding Scotland and Northern Ireland who (sensibly) voted to Remain! I personally spent most of yesterday communicating with all my real and social media friends and contacts apologising for my country's decision to Leave. As a Londoner, I made it clear that I and the majority of London voted to Remain! I joined in many political and non-political 'debates' throughout the day after contacts in Brussels 'shouted' at me that we will regret this decision. And Canary island friends, some influential journalists (in their country) bated me about giving up Gibraltar and telling me in time we'll all be speaking 'canary' and they will soon rule the world! Crazy! On a lighter note, there have been some incredible handdrawn and pasted cartoons flying around the net...love the eurotunnel Thomas the tank-style one...where the end of the tunnel is bricked up just enough to see the face of the train staring (longingly) over the barrier...not sure if that's to bar us from entering France or to prevent immigrants from entering the UK... Finally, Rikiiboy, it seems you can take the question mark from this thread's heading started by you last October!!!
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| Mobson | Jun 25 2016, 07:18 AM Post #150 |
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By about five o'clock I'd had enough and with a good pot of strong tea settled down to watch a cricket match....England v Sri Lanka...one institution that won't change!
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| rumbaba | Jun 25 2016, 01:32 PM Post #151 |
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I'm terrified to check my pension pot. It was old people that did it and the next generation will be picking up the pieces. Hilarious to hear about this being an 'anti establishment' vote. Boris, Gove, even public schoolboy, ex broker Farage? You are having a laugh. People were duped with lies about the economy and scares about immigration. I'm gutted . The irony is that the poor saps who were duped are in for the biggest kicking. I may return to Scotland, not because I think independence is a realistic prospect, but because I can't bear the thought of living in 'Little England'. |
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| dai Cottomy | Jun 25 2016, 02:03 PM Post #152 |
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A parliamentary petition calling for a second referendum has attracted more than a million signatures, even as unprecedented demand temporarily crashed the website. The petition, set up by William Oliver Healey, states: βWe the undersigned call upon HM government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based on a turnout less than 75%, there should be another referendum." |
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| Mobson | Jun 25 2016, 02:39 PM Post #153 |
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There will be no Little England! We will not let that happen - there are 58 countries who speak our language and share our systems with economies 3 times that of the EU...and where Brits are held in high esteem. Population: 2 billion, economy 3 times that of the EU. By keeping us in the EU, we have been reduced to the level Estonia, Latvia etc and been flooded with cheap unskilled labour from the poorer parts of Europe. Nevertheless, I'm cheered by the prospect of the possibility of a second referendum...but we shall have to see how many people actually get on board and sign the said petition, bearing this in mind...do all the politicians want it? do working class people really want it?...probably not! Edited by Mobson, Jun 25 2016, 02:41 PM.
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| Mobson | Jun 25 2016, 02:46 PM Post #154 |
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One thing to consider is the European Union itself...there are rumours that after our decision to leave, other countries within the Union are considering their positions and the prospect of holding their own referendums...France, Italy, Spain, Holland and Ireland are mentioned in these rumours...so the Ivory Tower may well be crumbling... In fact a group of European MEPs warned that yesterday's vote will cause the EU to crumble to pieces within the next five years... Edited by Mobson, Jun 25 2016, 02:56 PM.
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| dai Cottomy | Jun 25 2016, 07:40 PM Post #155 |
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We pay politicians vast sums to run our country with the aid of their political and economic advisors. To allow the general public to make a decision with such far-reaching consequences for future generations of UK and EU citizens should not, in my view, be taken and acted upon after so small a turnout, still less on a mere 50/50 result. The petition now has over two million signatures. More than 146,000 people have signed another petition calling on the London Mayor to declare the capital independent from the UK so that it could stay in the EU, with supporters tweeting under the hashtag #londependence. |
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| rumbaba | Jun 25 2016, 07:53 PM Post #156 |
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I've had it with stupidity, racism, gullibility. It can't even be justified by self interest. I live in a country of educationally subnormal lemmings. What's the point? |
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 25 2016, 08:23 PM Post #157 |
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What's the point Rum? The point is I was right from the opening post to the bitter end. IMHO if there was another referendum,then I think the leave margin would increase considerably,people in the south of this country have forgotten what democracy actually is, well over one million people more than remain voted out. The very fact that millions more couldn't even be arsed to vote at all,shows just how apathetic our nation is. Now that we have left/are leaving the European mafiosi behind,maybe we can find work and hope for the half a million of our youngsters that are suffering the hardship of mass unemployment and the burden of being called parasites by people so fortunate to have rather than have not. http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05871/SN05871.pdf Edited by Rikiiboy, Jun 25 2016, 08:52 PM.
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| Caro | Jun 26 2016, 12:05 AM Post #158 |
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The trouble with democracy is that people vote for all sorts of trivial or non-topic views. Or without the correct information. And the views of everyone are given equal importance - I gather that 70% of younger people voted to remain and since they are the ones who will have to live with this result longer, maybe there should be some way to give them a greater say. I felt the same with our flag referendum, though in that case I think more younger people surprisingly voted for the result we got (keeping our flag). My Welsh dil is gutted. I do understand rural communities feeling forgotten, as here Auckland seems to get all the attention and funding. But Auckland is the powerhouse of our economy, as London is of yours. Still weak provinces do no one any favours - people can no longer afford housing in Auckland and homelessness there has become a real problem. And the provinces here can't attract the money for jobs and infrastructure, etc. And where does this leave Scotland? And travellers used to being able to use their British passports for European travel? My husband is feeling peeved that his gamble to leave some money in Britain will have to be a longer-term one. Ah well, we live in interesting times: I think that was a Chinese curse in earlier times. |
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| Mobson | Jun 26 2016, 08:24 AM Post #159 |
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None I suppose if that were true! But it isn't is it! It's just you, a dour Scot, letting off steam!
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| rumbaba | Jun 26 2016, 08:43 AM Post #160 |
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Ok, here's a way forward. We have not pushed the button yet, the referendum is purely advisory. Why do we not make activating the Brexit option a manifesto issue for an early election? There is time to consider the admission from the brexiteers that Β£350 million a week was a lie, that the reigning in of immigration is a fantasy, the fact that the markets are tanking and a lot of protest voters are regretting their foolishness. |
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| rumbaba | Jun 26 2016, 01:37 PM Post #161 |
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I feel I need to do something to try to help prevent the Gove/Farage/Johnson axis of evil from taking control. I toyed briefly with joining the Countryside Alliance until I checked their website and saw how they were spelling 'countryside'.
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| dai Cottomy | Jun 26 2016, 04:52 PM Post #162 |
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I've just checked their website - I don't see anything remarkable about how 'countryside' is spelled. What I do query is how joining them can 'prevent the Gove/Farage/Johnson axis of evil from taking control'. Surely what is needed now is a Churchillian figure to emerge, and appoint a Government of National Unity - a coalition of those he regarded as the most energetic and talented available to him, regardless of party. This was the kind of Government which saw us through WW2. This would be the Government to see through the massive job of putting the country back on its feet. I have read Boris Johnson's biography of Churchill, - The Churchill Factor - and is is quite evident that he admired him greatly, and possibly would like to emulate him. Boris may not be every bodies cup of tea, but neither was Churchill during the inter-war period, and had the war never come it's probable that he would never have achieved the reputation he earned at that time. Cometh the hour, cometh the man?" Edited by dai Cottomy, Jun 26 2016, 05:14 PM.
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| dai Cottomy | Jun 27 2016, 11:42 AM Post #163 |
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....or woman - Nicola Sturgeon , perhaps? |
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| waiting4atickle | Jun 27 2016, 02:04 PM Post #164 |
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Blimey, Mobs! Are you one of those Remain voters who wishes they'd voted Leave? Boris is a duplicitous, self-serving bar steward, but he'll lead us back to the Unpromised Land. Give that man a cigar. |
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| rumbaba | Jun 27 2016, 04:37 PM Post #165 |
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Sorry Dai, a wee joke. 'Fratricide' is killing a brother, 'matricide' is killing a mother, so countryside is, well, work it out.
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| rumbaba | Jun 27 2016, 04:46 PM Post #166 |
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/boris-johnson-gets-fourth-job-6144486 Boris in no hurry to get on with leaving the EU, it's on his 'to do' list, below other, more lucrative activities. |
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| rumbaba | Jun 28 2016, 06:05 AM Post #167 |
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So, the racists now feel legitimised, hate has been unleashed on the streets of our country, we have complete political paralysis , the financial markets are tanking, the banks are under pressure, investment decisions are on hold: it will take 10 years to recover from this, if we ever do. Those gullible idiots who believed the NHS would get an extra Β£350 million a week might not have an NHS. Where are Boris Johnson and Michael Gove? A campaign of slogans, lies, glib promises but where is the plan? Ok, you got the vote you wanted, now what? And while we plunge into chaos, blameless, hardworking, tax paying Poles, and other EU nationals, will have the finger pointed at them and will suffer increasing threats of violence and abuse, primary school children are already being targeted. Well done England and Wales, you've 'taken back control'. Except you cannot control this and neither can your court jester, Boris: I think that is begining to dawn on him, which is why he is in hiding.
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| Mobson | Jun 28 2016, 09:01 AM Post #168 |
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(but not really!!!!) ....No ticks, I am not! I remain Remain! I voted Remain, as part of the 69% (53,928 voted) living in Westminster ...as opposed to 31% (of course!) 24,268 who voted Leave! But I am not amused that as the shit is hitting the fan big time and we start to crumple into a miserable isolated heap, all the media can do is concentrate on bloody Labour and Jeremy Corbyn! There's a far bigger picture. Get a Grip Country! Boris portrays Twat but really he's undercover Churchill! #bringintheclowns
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| waiting4atickle | Jun 28 2016, 09:31 AM Post #169 |
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According to a Conservative MP I saw on TV, Boris didn't get the result he wanted. She reckoned he fronted the Leave campaign for his own political ends (which we know) but didn't actually want them to win or foresee that they would. It's an interesting theory and Boris is the sort of person of whom one can believe almost anything - and from whom one can believe almost nothing. |
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| Mobson | Jun 28 2016, 09:45 AM Post #170 |
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First they came for the Communists And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist Then they came for the Jews And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew Then they came for the Catholics And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Catholic Then they came for Me! And by that time there was no one left to speak up Rev. Martin Niemoller, Germany 1945 Imagine being a migrant in the UK and watching the BBC 10 o'clock news last night in which a man with a swastika on his arm says he wants you to go Edited by Mobson, Jun 28 2016, 10:00 AM.
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| Mobson | Jun 28 2016, 09:46 AM Post #171 |
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Farage currently getting a roasting in the European Parliament ...shouts of Why are you here???? |
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| Mobson | Jun 28 2016, 09:52 AM Post #172 |
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Jeremy Hunt has confirmed he's considering to run for Tory leadership. Britain slips further into a dystopian nightmare. Hmmm! That's it! I've decided to run for Tory leadership and Labour leadership and England football team...I'm a woman, I can multi task! Edited by Mobson, Jun 28 2016, 09:53 AM.
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 28 2016, 10:03 AM Post #173 |
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Hodgson couldn't pick his nose. Corbyn couldn't pick his brains. Cameron couldn't pick an easier time to leave. Boris May have to pick up the pieces? Edited by Rikiiboy, Jun 28 2016, 10:04 AM.
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| Mobson | Jun 28 2016, 11:26 AM Post #174 |
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Sky News Newsdesk β@SkyNewsBreak 4 hours ago Chancellor George Osborne says taxes will need to be raised and public spending cut following the UK's vote to leave the EU...(2,066 retweets 424 likes) 17million people did this. They voted for another recession & more austerity. They have no one to blame but themselves...they should have read The Spectator http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/why-the-leave-campaign-should-pray-they-dont-win/ or better still read this by Dr Andy Williamson ... http://www.andywilliamson.com/10-points-to-consider-about-brexit-and-the-eu-referendum/ Romanians did, but must still suffer the consequences... Yes I know...stable door, horse bolted.... ...and yet a captain of industry, namely Richard Branson, said yesterday "UK markets lost more money in one day than the country paid into the EU over 15 years http://virg.in/E1MUK ...but then again, he lives on his own island, Necker! Can I come visit Mr Branson! Edited by Mobson, Jun 28 2016, 12:03 PM.
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 28 2016, 01:20 PM Post #175 |
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So...Sturgeon refusing to accept that they are now out of Europe? The way she is ranting we wouldn't know that in reality 40% of Scots actually voted leave too! |
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| waiting4atickle | Jun 28 2016, 03:26 PM Post #176 |
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H'mm, so you think a Leave vote of 51.9% in the UK should be binding, but not a Remain vote of 62% in Scotland. Strange reasoning, Rikii. Although the idiot Cameron failed to do so, it is quite common in a referendum to set a threshold above 50% for the side that wants a change, since abstention cannot but be taken as an acquiescence in the status quo. I think the Leave vote was somewhere around 37% of the electorate. |
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 28 2016, 06:17 PM Post #177 |
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I don't think that at all tickle,I was merely pointing out that Sturgeon appears to have dismissed the leave voters. Altogether. Edited by Rikiiboy, Jun 28 2016, 06:27 PM.
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 28 2016, 06:25 PM Post #178 |
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78% is quite a large turnout here tickle,if we had to wait for every voter we would never get any where! Did those leave Scottish votes not get added. to the grand total then? Edited by Rikiiboy, Jun 28 2016, 06:31 PM.
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| waiting4atickle | Jun 28 2016, 08:26 PM Post #179 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a6HNXtdvVQ |
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 28 2016, 08:51 PM Post #180 |
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In fact with the 44% leave in NI and 38% in Scotland they may have themselves to blame for the brexit? http://www.ukpolitical.info/Turnout45.htm Edited by Rikiiboy, Jun 28 2016, 09:06 PM.
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 28 2016, 09:20 PM Post #181 |
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This was another tablet posting on it's own again!
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| Mobson | Jun 28 2016, 10:25 PM Post #182 |
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I want to go back to the future
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| waiting4atickle | Jun 28 2016, 10:58 PM Post #183 |
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It's true that if you subtracted all the Leave votes, but not the Remain votes cast in Scotland and N Ireland from the overall totals, there would have been a majority of about 90,000 in favour of Remain, but, with all due respect, WTF has that got to do with anything? |
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| rumbaba | Jun 30 2016, 11:49 AM Post #184 |
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Boris has no appetite for real politics and slinks off, leaving the country in crisis. I'm not surprised |
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| Mobson | Jun 30 2016, 11:54 AM Post #185 |
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May, Boris or Gove? The Tories were about to achieve the unachievable...Boris out! Makes me wonder why David Cameron isn't staying as PM...why the f**k isn't he!...Bollockless Bastards! The Tories are just way better at this Machiavellian stuff than Labour!
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| dai Cottomy | Jun 30 2016, 02:33 PM Post #186 |
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Boris rejects the poisoned chalice. " I have this book to write" He won't be Prime Minister, but Theresa May. |
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| Mobson | Jun 30 2016, 03:11 PM Post #187 |
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We May do Worse.... |
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| rumbaba | Jun 30 2016, 03:42 PM Post #188 |
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You couldn't make it up. |
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| Rikiiboy | Jun 30 2016, 06:42 PM Post #189 |
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May a Gove a Fox and a Crabb,Leadsom of us up the garden path again? |
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| rumbaba | Jun 30 2016, 08:26 PM Post #190 |
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I don't buy the 'Gove stabs Boris in the back' line. This has been choreographed by the pair of them to let Boris off the hook. |
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| Mobson | Jul 1 2016, 09:18 AM Post #191 |
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Yep! ...relieved either way, however it happened, not to have Boris as PM! Michael Heseltine used an incredibly vitriolic speech to dig the knife deep into Boris. So of those running for election, I hadn't heard of Leadsom until Referendum vote or Crabb until yesterday...Liam Fox really!!!? Favour Theresa May...to show these miserable Tory cretins how to lead a party, and govern a country by taking charge and making the tough decisions needed to see us through the next few months at least' Edited by Mobson, Jul 1 2016, 09:23 AM.
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| waiting4atickle | Jul 1 2016, 04:06 PM Post #192 |
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We haven't recovered from the last female Prime Minister yet. ![]() This is worth a read: http://thebrexitplan.com/ Edited by waiting4atickle, Jul 1 2016, 04:07 PM.
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| Mobson | Jul 1 2016, 04:22 PM Post #193 |
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No but I bet Theresa May has... ππ π I still have nightmares thinking Gordon Brown's coming back π» note: new emojis Edited by Mobson, Jul 2 2016, 10:19 AM.
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| rumbaba | Jul 1 2016, 08:09 PM Post #194 |
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Bang on Tick. At least Tunbridge Wells was a beacon of sanity in Kent |
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| Mobson | Jul 2 2016, 10:20 AM Post #195 |
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Bang on...as is this week's Dead Ringers http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07hj8bn |
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| Rikiiboy | Jul 2 2016, 10:35 AM Post #196 |
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I just heard on my car radio that May has 90 votes already that's more than the others put together apparently. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/30/boris-johnson-career-undone-michael-gove-sarah-vine-tory-leadership Edited by Rikiiboy, Jul 2 2016, 10:36 AM.
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| Mobson | Jul 5 2016, 12:20 PM Post #197 |
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Let the Voting begin!!!
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| rumbaba | Jul 7 2016, 07:16 PM Post #198 |
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Gove out on his arse. Hopefully, the lying, junior politician Leadsom gets the bum's rush and let some real politicians get on with the damage limitation exercise . |
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| Mobson | Jul 7 2016, 07:31 PM Post #199 |
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General Boles on Twitter blames others (@RobDotHutton & @MichaelPDeacon) for Michael's loss! No Nick Boles! There's no-one to blame but himself! π«πͺπ«πͺ
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| waiting4atickle | Jul 7 2016, 10:14 PM Post #200 |
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Nothing in Theresa May's c.v. persuades that she's any good at anything other than political manoeuvering. |
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I remain Remain! I voted Remain, as part of the 69% (53,928 voted) living in Westminster ...as opposed to 31% (of course!) 24,268 who voted Leave!
#bringintheclowns

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