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The Murdoch Affair and Leveson Report; will it run and run?
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Mobson
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Think we should run a new thread...since this one's obviously going to.....

So the first of the 'sword fallings' in the upper echelons of the Murdoch Empire has gone to Mrs Brooks...... (love the additions to the smiley family - is there one for falling on swords!)

ReBeKaH has eventually resigned! brickwallll

her full statement....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14166004

Saw on late news last night one of News Internationals biggest shareholders after Murdoch (sitting on his boat somewhere exotic) saying this matter really has to be resolved quickly - no fear of that now the FBI are involved!
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Mobson
Jul 15 2011, 11:31 AM
Think we should run a new thread...since this one's obviously going to.....

So the first of the sword fallings in the upper echelons of the Murdoch Empire has gone to Mrs Brooks...... (love the additions to the smiley family - is there one for falling on swords!)

ReBeKaH has eventually resigned! brickwallll

her full statement....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14166004

Saw on late news last night one of News Internationals biggest shareholders (sitting on his boat somewhere exotic) saying this matter really has to be resolved quickly - no fear of that now the FBI are involved!
One thing that always seems to happen when politicians, celebs and now a media empire are in the s**t... they wriggle, they try and hang on and, in the end, only make things much worse for themselves.



"Murdochs/Brooks have seen what happens when those caught, "In flagrante delicto", try and brazen things out. Amazingly, they never learn!
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Ann Leslie said it's she wasn't even that good an editor ...apparently she turned down the expenses scandal on the grounds there wasn't enough sex in it!!








seeeeya! (I love that smiley).. :D
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Here's that very News International shareholder talking to the BBC on his boat.....it's quite fascinating when he speaks of RB, especially when he flicks his worry beads!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14163988
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It says the content doesn't seem to be working,Mobs.....try later..but the mental image of him flicking his worry beads made me ... laugh
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Ok, yes do, just tried it and it's working right now! seeeeya!
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Mobson
Jul 15 2011, 07:58 PM
Ok, yes do, just tried it and it's working right now! seeeeya!
Still says content not working on my screen.. erm







seeeeya!
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I think we're still at the stage of waiting for Robert Redford or Dustin Hoffman to appear in the underground carpark...
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Mobson
Jul 15 2011, 07:58 PM
Ok, yes do, just tried it and it's working right now! seeeeya!
It's working for me now

Very defensive of Rupert and James ...not so Rebekah.
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Article about Private Eyes today ......

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/press/eyes-on-the-spies-the-murky-world-of-the-private-investigators-2313870.html

There was another yesterday about several potato-faced blokes (no offence) involved in the big crisis. I'm wondering if more is going to come out about Jonathan Rees and the axe-murder of his partner said to be about to whistle-blow about police/NOTW shenanigans, and how his trial collapsed because of police 'errors' with evidence.

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J Rees
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ReBeKah has been arrested and is helping police with their enquiries, or is she having a chat with them to get their stories straight, prior to Tuesday's appearance in front of a select committee in Parliament...which she is going to take lawyer's advice on i.e whether she should even appear in light of today's 'arrest'.

Ken Livingstone commented on the timing of this action! whistles
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Mobson
Jul 17 2011, 06:05 PM
or is she having a chat with them to get their stories straight,
laugh ..Mobs!... ok1

Chris Bryant isn't all that happy either...
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If she has been arrested that means her lawyers can, and probably will, claim that any testimony will be 'sub judice'...or am I just being cynical?
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I've just read that Sir Paul Stephenson has resigned..awaiting confirmation...
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Sorry I started a new thread elsewhere. Ignore it

Now Paul Stephenson has resigned. Blimey!
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Jul 17 2011, 06:34 PM
I've just read that Sir Paul Stephenson has resigned..awaiting confirmation...
Blimey.. yikes
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BTW...I've just seen a link to Fox News...Their coverage of the Brooks resignation is a dispicable 'whitewash'...
If there is anyone who believes that any Murdoch controlled 'news' is unbiased, or even truthful, they should view this cover-up.

The thought that the current administration wanted to foist such a 'news' channel on the UK is beyond belief...the Beeb may have its faults but, compared to "Murdoch Media", it's heavenly.
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Not to mention Mark Thompson calling for allowing biased broadcasting a while ago.
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Blimey indeed yikes to all the above posts since my last one 7 up!
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Can this bring down the government, who's next?
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Jul 17 2011, 07:05 PM
Not to mention Mark Thompson calling for allowing biased broadcasting a while ago.
Mark Thompson ....“Why shouldn’t the public be able to see and hear, as well as read a range of opinionated journalism and then make up their own mind what they think about it?”

As I said, "...the Beeb may have its faults".


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rumbaba Today, 7:33 PM It seems likely she knew already on Friday, hence the resignation. No doubt she will refuse to talk to any enquiry now. Will Murdoch Jnr be arrested?

Now Paul Stephenson, the Met Comissioner, is going . Blimey, what next?

caissier Today, 8:02 PM Serious Fraud Office is now investigating News International ........


caissier Today, 8:27 PM "Book your ringside seats for the Culture Media & Sports Committee session on phone hacking. It starts as part of the Daily Politics show at 2.00pm Tuesday 19th July on BBC2 and is down for 2.5 hours until Flog It comes on at 4.30pm

I expect a roller coaster ride for all concerned........Strange how Flog It follows straight afterwards. Maybe Mr Murdoch will be on it selling his various UK newspapers (should it get any worse for him and his company)"

(johnnymol - BBC POV mb)

(rumbaba There is another thread dealing with this on the general discussion. It probably makes sense to carry it on over there. )

Yep .... moved here







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Things happening so fast - who knows who could be implicated!
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mareli
Jul 17 2011, 09:53 PM
Things happening so fast - who knows who could be implicated!
You hardly have time to take breath between each twist in this story...
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PS had a little pop at Cameron. It's not clear who wants to develop that. The PM will be in trouble if his own people feel they can't support him but I don't really see that yet. Too many people from all sides are compromised, like the expenses scandal and no one is squeaky clean. I didn't hear Clegg on the AM show this morning but I don't think he wants to have a go at Cameron, he is in no position to step in.
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There are those who know 'where the bodies are buried'....There will be a lot of bottoms twitching this weekend.
Deals will be done......
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Politicians/Press/Police and my favourites the bankers, elements of all are involved in a real-life 'conspiracy theory' unravelling minute by minute right in front of our eyes.
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Jul 17 2011, 10:57 PM
Politicians/Press/Police and my favourites the bankers, elements of all are involved in a real-life 'conspiracy theory' unravelling minute by minute right in front of our eyes.
Hey Stan,

Conspiracy unravelling? No, just a network patching up a couple of holes.

From the few facts we have actually been allowed to hear (is this the best the press is can do, given the ends they will go to to get info on salacious sex, royals and victim stories?), you could not conclude that these people were directly breaking the law. They were just busy massaging each others backs and egos, exchanging dubious and secret favours, whilst reigning over a free for all, anarchy, beneath them.

Some of them will be shed but replaced by eminent members appointed to new independent reviews committees!
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Yates has gone now......................
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London Mayor Boris Johnson said it was right for both Sir Paul and Mr Yates to stand down.
"There is absolutely nothing that has been proven against the probity or the professionalism of either man.
"But in both cases we have to recognise that the nexus of questions about the relationship between the Met and the News of the World.....

Guilty by association.....For 'the met' read 'No. 10' but, I guarantee DC won't consider going.
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It's a strange business and one that won't be fully known for a decade at least, if ever. Cameron looks very precarious. Even though they were in the same silly posh boys club at Oxford, I think Boris has some scores to settle with DC and has always been a loose cannon.

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My gut feeling, for what it's worth, is that there will be 'developments' in the Libyan situation....There's nothing like a good war story to 'pull irons out of fires'.

I'm only surprised that it's not been tried before!
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It's so difficult to keep up with the news on this matter! Since the demise of the NoW newspaper, yesterday's sad news of a death of a former NoW journalist, Sean Hoare, who told the New York Times hacking was far more extensive than the paper acknowledged when police first investigated hacking claims and told BBC's Panorama that phone hacking was "endemic" at the NoW.
The resignation of Senior Scotland Yard officer, John Yates after Sir Paul Stephenson became the second sword falling after RB, prompting London Mayor, Boris Johnson to get in on the act yesterday.
The Prime minister rushing back from a 5 day trade trip to South Africa, after only 1 day, to make a statement today, after the former head of the Met Police, Sir Paul Stephenson said Cameron should consider his position for hiring the former editor of the NoW editor, Andy Coulson, and Cameron hitting back at Sir Paul by making a statement in S.A. "No one has argued that the work that he (Andy Coulson) did in government was in any way inappropriate". phew!.....

Then there are the Hearings....kicking off at midday with the Home Affairs Select committee, headed by chairman, Sir Keith Vaz, who will question Sir Paul Stephenson and John Yates whilst the MPA are already sitting to decide whether to launch disciplinary proceedings against Mr Yates, after which Boris Johnson is expected to make another announcement about an urgent MPA 'behind closed doors' meeting!

Then the big one...News Corporation chiefs Rupert and James Murdoch and former executive Rebekah Brooks are to go before the Commons select committee to be questioned over the phone hacking scandal...here are the MP's selected with that task...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14182907

That's without what may come to light today...for sure it's going to be a very busy, busy day with many matters hustling for media airtime...under other circumstances, just the sort of thing Murdoch and his papers would have loved were it not for the fact that this time it is they who are at the centre of the attention! erm
Edited by Mobson, Jul 19 2011, 09:16 AM.
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Blimey, when I said "it's going to be a very busy, busy day" I didn't mean over here! There's been so much going on here that I haven't had time to see what's happening in the other place, no not that other place, over at the centre of 'real government' whistles

However, before that....let's have a bit of light relief shall we?.............. laugh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFufrqhp0eE&feature=player_embedded
Edited by Mobson, Jul 19 2011, 01:33 PM.
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Anyone watching the 'trials'?
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Just to inform that the debate is on BBC and Sky News now :)
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has 'gate' gone out of fashion? Surely every scandal has to be a 'gate' of some description?

Edited by rumbaba, Jul 19 2011, 03:27 PM.
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Am I the only one who is quite quite bored with all the picking over & speculation?

I'd quite like to hear who did what to whom when 'they' know

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Jul 19 2011, 01:10 PM


However, before that....let's have a bit of light relief shall we?.............. laugh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFufrqhp0eE&feature=player_embedded
Oh Mobson thank you for this link - howlingly funny

Also just caught a bit of news on tv - did anyone see RM's wife jump up and clatter the 'activist' but, even more the man behind her pushing her on and seemingly encouraging her
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Jul 19 2011, 03:39 PM
Am I the only one who is quite quite bored with all the picking over & speculation?

I'd quite like to hear who did what to whom when 'they' know

steam
But will we ever really know the truth?
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Jul 19 2011, 01:10 PM
laugh
Loved that Mobs...especially when it got to the end with Mick Hucknall.....Posted Image
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madfor4

Great 'mobs'...

BTW.....Where the heck was security? An inquiry, with world attention, and some clown tries to 'custard pie' the main man.
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I know, isn't it brilliant! Someone sent it to me this morning and I was dying to put it here but got a bit carried away on another matter! I love that Mr Bean is Ed Millipede!

I haven't seen any of the select committee thingy...perhaps the 'incident' will be repeated on the news.

Hey Becky, where did you get that emoticon from? .... ok1

Edited by Mobson, Jul 19 2011, 07:25 PM.
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Jul 19 2011, 07:22 PM
I love that Mr Bean is Ed Milipede

Hey Becky, where did you get that emoticon from? .... ok1

It was from my photobucket account.....

Liked Peter Kay as Tom Watson,too
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Hilary Swank brilliantly cast ...... Colin Firth IS Hugh Grant ..... laugh


Fascinating watching them on telly battle defensively. Steve Hewlett has just given a fantastic analysis. The Media Show tomorrow should be very good.
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madfor4
Jul 19 2011, 07:19 PM
BTW.....Where the heck was security?
That was quite unbelievable... yikes

After all said and done he is an 80 yr old man...he could have had a heart attack.
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madfor4
Jul 19 2011, 07:19 PM
Great 'mobs'...

BTW.....Where the heck was security?
Exactly. The custard pie was apparently of the shaving foam variety, the construction of which will have involved a metallic can of foam.

That could just have easily been some other metallic nasty, such as a can of mace, or a knife.
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Wendi went in like a Ninja .................................. ninja ??
Edited by caissier, Jul 19 2011, 08:17 PM.
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What is interesting is Ladbrokes odds on Cameron leaving office since the News Int scandal. erm

"The bookies have taken a steady stream of bets on the PM leaving office with the odds dropping from 100/1 to 20/1 and now 8/1 in a matter of hours".

Cameron aint gpoing anywhere, there's more chance of me getting into a bekini and singing Poker Face with Lady Gugu, or am I being Gaga? :D


http://news.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/press-office/cameron-now-just-81-to-leave_069583.html


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Hacking whistleblower, Sean Hoare, has been found dead in his flat in Watford in what Police say, are not suspicious cicumstances.
I am wondering ...as will be many others no doubt...whether this is another David Kelly style cover-up for something far more sinister.
The man was a key witness in forthcoming enquiries.

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Jul 19 2011, 01:10 PM
Blimey, when I said "it's going to be a very busy, busy day" I didn't mean over here! There's been so much going on here that I haven't had time to see what's happening in the other place, no not that other place, over at the centre of 'real government' whistles

However, before that....let's have a bit of light relief shall we?.............. laugh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFufrqhp0eE&feature=player_embedded
Weirdly, almost as an oblique reference to Wendi Murdoch, this displays a Google ad that says 'Date pretty Chinese girls'
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Jul 19 2011, 09:10 PM
Cameron aint gpoing anywhere,


Well Dennis won't be happy with that news..... :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYHFshFUfGw





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Pie in the face for RM. What happened to security?
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Well if the attitude of Jeremy Hunt is anything to go by ('Today') the Murdoch empire has little to fear.

Whilst dodging any direct questions, under the gentlest possible guidance by Evan Davis, he explained how his actions are robust and how he and David Cameron are driving things.

I look forward to seeing future references to this scandal, alongside Enid Blyton, in the childrens' fiction section.

And, again, listening to the Sun's associate editor (trevor Cavanagh)...."Has anyone asked if there was any hacking at the Sun"..."No!"
"It's not my job to know what goes on"..."I can't say, catagorically, that it hasn't happened"..."No, it doesn't go on"...

Sarah Montague gave due deference to such utter nonsense.

I am not a great fan of Humphreys but I can't see him letting any interviewee getting away with such trite rubbish.
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Jul 19 2011, 10:37 PM
Pie in the face for RM. What happened to security?
Well it hit his suit jacket apparently..but yes what happened to security! Yet again a system assigned to assure security in public places fails! Ok, perhaps it is easy to hide a paper plate on one's person but a can of shaving foam, even travel size if there is such a thing, should not have escaped the security cameras or a body search, and who was not watching when 26year old Jonathan May-Bowles (not a distant relative of the Parkers I hope!) who describes himself as an 'activist and comedian' took it out of its hiding place, shook it to make it foam, poured it over a paper plate and then advanced towards Rupert Murdoch from the public gallery, reportedly shouting"You naughty billionaire". The "public gallery" was a row of chairs directly behind where Rupert and his son were being interviewed, including one occupied by Rupert Murdoch's wife, Wendi Deng. Surely, sitting in such close proximity someone would notice a person fiddling about with a plate and a shaving can!

The Speaker has asked for an investigation into the incident and Mr May-Bowles has been charged with a public order offence; he wrote on Twitter under the account name of Jonny Marbles, "it is a far better thing that I do now than I have ever done before#splat."
He will appear before City of Westminster Magistrates Court on Friday, 29th July. Well he's had his five minutes of fame.
Edited by Mobson, Jul 20 2011, 08:25 AM.
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A sloppy piece of subbing in today's Guardian allowed a real howler to slip through.Apparently, after the pie incident, Murdoch Snr reappeared without his shirt.
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Jul 20 2011, 07:46 AM
Mr May-Bowles has been charged with a public order offence
Most likely charged with Section 4 Public Order, and it should warrant some unpaid work given the circumstances.
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I vaguely recall there was some international 'pie in the face' group that tried to get the high and mighty. Didn't Bill Gates get done a while back? I am not sure this has anything to do with it though.
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If Murdoch paid the 'pieman' he couldn't have done a better PR job. All the Tabloid talk is now about a silly incident and little about the real issues.
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You're probably right! Seems like Rupert didn't know much about the real issues either....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD7z3UyDrMo&NR=1
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Plausible deniability was the saviour of the Murdochs yesterday.
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The Evening Standard described Wendi Deng as a 'Chinese Becky Sharp with less scruples'. What do you make of that Becky?
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At least it has kept muslims out of the news for a good fortnight. Is this the last we will hear about the fake sheikh aka Mazher Mahmood ?- who got his job at the NOTW by dobbing in family friends for selling pirate videos.
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Here is an article by Deborah Orr, suggesting an explanation for the behaviour of personnel at NI, typical of many big organisations. It does look likely that sociology, or psychology might give the best explanation for all this. Rupert might be brilliant and tough but he's also sentimental ..... perhaps that is an Australian characteristic, perhaps a stereotype which works with him ...... seen in the way he talks of his father. The personality which brought his achievements looks like it overshot into rascal behaviour and a desire to dominate, including politically. He does seem to have a Fuhrer complex of some kind.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/20/deborah-orr-murdoch-downfall?commentpage=last#end-of-comments
Edited by caissier, Jul 21 2011, 08:18 AM.
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I believe that Cameron's assertion, on being asked umpteen times, "Did you discuss the BSkyB bid with News International executives at the same time that ministers were handling it", that, "I had no inappropriate discussions"...will rank alongside Nixon's, "I am not a crook"....

Cans anyone accept that any discussion, in such circumstances, could be appropriate especially considering that he'd replaced the hostile Vince Cable with the compliant Jeremy Hunt?
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He also said 'I've never seen her in her pyjamas', which might rank alongside Clinton's 'I've never had sexual relations with that woman' :)
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whistles Ooooooh, steady there guys!
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rumbaba
Jul 20 2011, 07:53 PM
The Evening Standard described Wendi Deng as a 'Chinese Becky Sharp with less scruples'. What do you make of that Becky?
yikes

Blummin' cheek....I'm off to consult my lawyers.... :D
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Where do you think I've been all morning! erm laugh
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Jul 21 2011, 02:32 PM
Where do you think I've been all morning! erm laugh
Well I hope you sorted them out for me,Mobs.... ;)
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You are quite right to be upset Becky. No one has less scruples than you laugh
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^^^^
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This week’s Private Eye tells how current The Independent owners the Lebedevs were recently summoned to meet Rupert Murdoch in London. Rupert wanted to make clear his “disappointment” with the paper’s recent run of front pages devoted to the phone hacking scandal, and asked them to close the story down.

Independent staff say how Lebedev (ex KGB) reported back that he had been “threatened by people who are more unpleasant that Rupert Murdoch”, and asked staff to continue the good work.

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Michael Rosen on language used by the Murdochs in the MA ......

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/22/phone-hacking-scandal-language-evasion

More stuff, viral stuff ..... and all that .....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP4NMoJcFd4

Edited by caissier, Jul 22 2011, 10:23 AM.
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An unfortunate (and yet classic) Grauniad typo in the opening words of that article, caissier:

'There's an irony at the heart of the News International crisis and it's do with language.'

(Or did he mean 'doggy-do' with language?)
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It's a funny thing, Chris ..... with online articles there are a lot of instances of words missing ...... yes, it might be a(nother) Guardian thing - I assumed it was sleepy typing.
Edited by caissier, Jul 22 2011, 11:16 AM.
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caissier
Jul 22 2011, 09:52 AM
on language

Boris used this word .....concatenation ....the other day when talking about this affair....

An apt song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuUTJ7gcs8A
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Concatenation is an IT term, well in my experiience. It just means to join things together
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I see the judge appointed to head up the enquiry has a connection to Murdoch via his daughter's husband. Is anyone untainted?
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You would think that's that for him then.
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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23972388-investigate-james-murdoch-over-smoking-gun-email-urges-mp.do

I doubt it Becky :(
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If nothing else this scandal has exposed the real depth of the semi-secret 'in-crowd' of politicians, media moguls, police/judiciary, etc.

People are right to be concerned; how many decisions that affect us all, conspiracy theories excepted, are done in the manner of a 'dodgy' golf club captaincy election.

Major government policies are 'sold' to the electorate by a mostly right-wing media; "Benefit Scroungers", "Fiddling Immigrants", "Disability Cheats", etc. are used as the justification for what are, in truth, dogma driven cuts.

We are still not being told the truth....What would have been the response of the inquiry panel had James Murdoch replied, on being asked, "Did you read the e-mails?", "I didn't read anything inappropriate". The next question would have been, "What e-mails did you read?"

Cameron's reply to, "Did you discuss the take-over with anyone from News International?" was "I never had any 'inappropriate conversation' with News International". Why was he not asked, "What was the context of the 'appropriate conversations'". If he was asked I missed it.....
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Hi Mads .... there were a few barristers chortling at the ineptitude of the Culture Committee but it was symbolic at least and good to see the Ms having to at least pretend to be respectful to elected people. They might have been lulled into giving blase answers on which they can be caught out ...... as with the For Neville email.

It does all show politics and governance and public understanding is just so ramshackle ...... a more or less working semi-anarchy. It's an amazing story, including two murders, a mega-tycoon and his shaky dynasty, top policemen, Borgia-style shenanigans, and assorted motley journalist characters ...... but meanwhile, back in practical politics, the destruction of the NHS, educaton, the forces, and all the rest is steadily going ahead. This government is obstinate and is not going to be deflected so, probably, the only person who can save us is Nick Clegg ..........

Polly Toynbee is a divisive figure but I think she's good on detail and seeing through complex issues ........ this article is ominous about the NHS.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/22/nhs-still-at-risk
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Hi Mads .... there were a few barristers chortling at the ineptitude of the Culture Committee but it was symbolic at least and good to see the Ms having to at least pretend to be respectful to elected people. They might have been lulled into giving blase answers on which they can be caught out ...... as with the For Neville email.

It does all show politics and governance and public understanding is just so ramshackle ...... a more or less working semi-anarchy. It's an amazing story, including two murders, a mega-tycoon and his shaky dynasty, top policemen, Borgia-style shenanigans, and assorted motley journalist characters ...... but meanwhile, back in practical politics, the destruction of the NHS, educaton, the forces, and all the rest is steadily going ahead. This government is obstinate and is not going to be deflected so, probably, the only person who can save us is Nick Clegg ..........

Polly Toynbee is a divisive figure but I think she's good on detail and seeing through complex issues ........ this article is ominous about the NHS.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/22/nhs-still-at-risk
Thanks for that Cass, I read the comments....Hre's the the one that closely mirrors my sentiments....

".....these reforms are doomed to fail - which is exactly the objective.

The 'Transparency Agenda' is designed to fool people into thinking they will be able to be knowledgeable enough to make real choices about where to go for treatment. The next step will be to 'put the money into the hands of patients' - and this will be done by introducing private health insurance. It's the Tories way of ending a publicly funded health service which they believe is unaffordable - but only because they choose to spend the money elsewhere. Healthcare is an investment not a cost.
The NHS is incredibly efficient and very good value for money. The Tories are pushing their privatisation ideology in the face of all the evidence. Time for Cleggie to wake up now - Murdoch's given him time to get a second wind - and stand up for the greatest social achievement this country has ever had. It's the very least he can do to redeem the catastrophe that his leadership has been up to now....."

Very True!

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I was interested because I have diabetes-caused cataracts, bad in one eye. I was referred by willing provider Boots opticians and given a choice of going to Worthing, East Grinstead or Lewes. Worthing is a short rail ride away, so after joking about "how am I expected to know which is a best hospital?!" opted for there. Weeks later off I went. Cataract confirmed but I was told it's not bad enough and "Oh, the PCT won't pay for that ..." which floored me, as my vision is getting difficult.

Anyway, I went for another test at another optician, who said she'd give me another referral as "Worthing is in West Sussex PCT and they've stopped doing cataract operations, whereas East Sussex PCT still are. " Now they tell me! ..... so I'm off to Brighton in eighteen weeks. That's one eye. I'm hoping they are still doing cataracts when the other one is due ........ winkie1 (geddit)
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I was interested because I have diabetes-caused cataracts, bad in one eye. I was referred by willing provider Boots opticians and given a choice of going to Worthing, East Grinstead or Lewes. Worthing is a short rail ride away, so after joking about "how am I expected to know which is a best hospital?!" opted for there. Weeks later off I went. Cataract confirmed but I was told it's not bad enough and "Oh, the PCT won't pay for that ..." which floored me, as my vision is getting difficult.

Anyway, I went for another test at another optician, who said she'd give me another referral as "Worthing is in West Sussex PCT and they've stopped doing cataract operations, whereas East Sussex PCT still are. " Now they tell me! ..... so I'm off to Brighton in eighteen weeks. That's one eye. I'm hoping they are still doing cataracts when the other one is due ........ winkie1 (geddit)
I'd love to tell you what a different experience you'd have here in France but I'd only upset you....still

I started to have double vision attacks; concerned that it might be celebral, I made a doctors' appointment (for the next morning at 9.30am)... She telephoned a specialist eye hospital (Limoges)..attending my appointment (3.00pm the same afternoon) I saw three specialists, had umpteen tests and (at 6.30pm) was informed that it's caused by a malfunctioning muscle in my left eye...... a relief...


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It does seem that in Britain things have fallen into a dour uninspired systematic approach - education as well. The wheels will turn but in their own time ..... but it could be due to all the political messing about there has been ,,,,, the reorganisations. That's what the newspaper articles say.

Maybe this Murdoch thing will trigger a seismic national wake-up but there are a lot of signs efforts are being made to spin it down and dilute it.
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The 'Transparency Agenda' is designed to fool people into thinking they will be able to be knowledgeable enough to make real choices about where to go for treatment. The next step will be to 'put the money into the hands of patients' - and this will be done by introducing private health insurance. It's the Tories way of ending a publicly funded health service which they believe is unaffordable - but only because they choose to spend the money elsewhere. Healthcare is an investment not a cost.
The NHS is incredibly efficient and very good value for money. The Tories are pushing their privatisation ideology in the face of all the evidence. Time for Cleggie to wake up now - Murdoch's given him time to get a second wind - and stand up for the greatest social achievement this country has ever had. It's the very least he can do to redeem the catastrophe that his leadership has been up to now....."

Very True!

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I couldn't agree more ok1
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I think the F1 should be moved to the A list in light of what just happened today, Sky have more then enough sports :(
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Stop Press: Any time now there is going a revelation that MP's have uncovered 'devastating new evidence'...so say all the news media this lunchtime...a possible recall to come before the committee by James Murdoch and the involvement of Harbottle & Lewis lawyers and advice given by them to News International....

This matter had gone quiet in the press probably because of the riots but investigations by the select committee have been obviously been going on....
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From the BBC website....

Drop The Dead Donkey creator to write hacking comedy

Drop The Dead Donkey creator Guy Jenkin is to write a comedy based on the newspaper phone-hacking scandal for Channel 4.

Hacks is set in a fictional paper where journalists use methods such as hacking, using private investigators and "pinging" - when a phone signal is used to track someone.

The one-off special is due to be broadcast later this year.
Jenkin said: "We hope to be faster and funnier than all the inquiries so far."

The scandal has so far brought about the close of British newspaper News of the World and has led to the arrest and questioning of former journalists and senior News International executives.

Channel 4's head of comedy Shane Allen said: "We are very excited about Hacks and it's great that Channel 4 can be so quick off the mark to shine a satirical light on what's been happening in the media over the last few months."

Drop The Dead Donkey, which Jenkin created with long-time collaborator Andy Hamilton, ran from 1990 to 1998 and was set in the offices of the fictional TV news company GlobeLink News.

The ensemble cast of the Bafta-winning show included Stephen Tompkinson and Neil Pearson.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-14676191

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Ummm, Hacks eh! That's an original title isn't it! I did like some of DTDD though!

A timely reminder (post 34)....for those who missed it the first time around!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFufrqhp0eE&feature=player_embedded
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Should this still be pinned? I know it will blow up again but it's gone a tad quiet.
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Why not? When the MP's return from summer recess, James Murdoch will be brought back to the select committee for further questioning...the only reason it is not front page news is because Libya is now taking up most of the airtime and newspaper coverage of all the media. I notice the Parliamentary channel is today actually broadcasting a repeat of the 'Phone Hacking' committee's interrogation of Rupert and his son!
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I pinned it because I thought it was such an important matter, but things do go off the boil. It wouldn't be too hard to find again if needed so perhaps it is in the way pinned up.
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Steve Coogan speaks out .......
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/sep/05/steve-coogan-phone-hacking-interview ........

...... as another hacking enquiry bout kicks off today.

Mr. Coogan is probably a difficult fish but I'm in awe of his work in all its aspects and it was great to see him go for reptile-hack-from-central-casting, bleary-eyed, torrent-tongued Paul McMullen (complete with loosened tie and scruffy haircut), on Newsnight. A Great Life one day imo ..... well, possibly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV9Sh_R3wB4

He swears a lot when commenting about it all - entirely appropriately imo. More Passion!
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Headlines in my paper tonight! Are we surprised......

http://standardonline.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/viewer.aspx
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Yesterday David Cameron said he had perhaps got too close to the Murdochs..not quite as close as Tony Blair who I heard on the radio the other night is godfather to one of Rupert Murdoch's daughters

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14785501
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The House of Commons select committee have confirmed that they will be recalling James Murdoch to answer more questions about the Hacking scandal. The hearing is expected to be scheduled for a date in November and a spokesman for JM said "James Murdoch is happy to appear in front of the committee again to answer any further questions members might have". Yeah, right! <whistles>

Here's the New York Times current take on it....

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/14/world/europe/14hacking.html
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The hearing is expected to be scheduled for a date in November and a spokesman for JM said "James Murdoch is happy to appear in front of the committee again to answer any further questions members might have". Yeah, right! <whistles>
He said this on the day Tom Crone and Coiln Myler gave their testimony...what happens if he sticks to his guns?...do they keep calling people back until they crack?... <whistles>
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