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| Mobson | Jul 15 2011, 11:31 AM Post #1 |
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Think we should run a new thread...since this one's obviously going to..... So the first of the 'sword fallings' in the upper echelons of the Murdoch Empire has gone to Mrs Brooks...... (love the additions to the smiley family - is there one for falling on swords!) ReBeKaH has eventually resigned! brickwallll her full statement.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14166004 Saw on late news last night one of News Internationals biggest shareholders after Murdoch (sitting on his boat somewhere exotic) saying this matter really has to be resolved quickly - no fear of that now the FBI are involved! Edited by caissier, Nov 29 2012, 05:40 PM.
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| caissier | Sep 18 2011, 09:44 PM Post #101 |
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Hugh Grant has made some comments in an interview reported in the Observer .... Grant was also critical of the House of Commons culture select committee for its cross-examination of Rupert and James Murdoch. "Speaking as a bad actor myself I thought Murdoch's performance was dodgy. Many of my sources tell me he was a hell of a lot sharper than that a week before – people who had met him. I didn't buy the long pauses. Much as I adore the people on that committee, like Tom Watson … I was shocked at how unsharp and how slightly starstruck the select committee members seemed. "I bitterly regret the cream pie incident because it absolutely played into his hands. I still don't know why they had to congratulate him so much afterwards for being so brave or why my hero Tom Watson had to say your wife has a great right hook. "I mean for God's sake this was the one chance we have ever had to get the guy in the dock and suddenly everyone was slightly up his arse." Grant, who famously posed as a journalist from Horse and Hounds in the film Notting Hill to interview Julia Roberts, said that granting an interview does not give the media a right to pursue a celebrity. "The papers don't give people privacy for free. It is done as a sort of barter when it is done. If I give an interview to a magazine they get something out of it, I get something out of it. But the deal is over. If I have sold you a pint of milk for 50p you can't come to me forever after saying you once sold milk, I can help myself to your milk for free. It is patently absurd." There was a lighter moment Grant was asked how he would play David Cameron. "I only ever play one part. Don't be ridiculous." |
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| Mobson | Sep 19 2011, 08:30 PM Post #102 |
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Apparently a deal is 'close to being done' to agree a settlement with the family of Milly Dowler as a result of the phone hacking scandal. News International are likely to pay a personal donation to charity by company boss Rupert Murdoch and the Dowlers will receive about £2million....a spokesman for NI confirmed today that the company is in 'advanced negotiations with the Dowler family'. Media lawyer Mark Stephens said the amount was far more than a court would have ordered, which he thought would be about £120,000. He said Mr Murdoch was making the settlement to mark his "personal abhorrence... and the change of attitude that there has been at News International." "It's a statement of, if you like, humility, humble pie on the part of News International. This says they're turning the page." As part of the Metropolitan Police investigation into phone hacking, it wants the Guardian newspaper to reveal its sources for stories about the hacking of Milly's phone. Police are looking at whether any police leaks to the Guardian newspaper were in breach of the Official Secrets Act. However, the Attorney General's office has said he must consent to charges being brought under the act. Edited by Mobson, Sep 20 2011, 09:48 AM.
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| madfor4 | Sep 19 2011, 09:16 PM Post #103 |
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...............................He said Mr Murdoch was making the settlement to mark his "personal abhorrence... and the change of attitude that there has been at News International." "It's a statement of, if you like, humility, humble pie on the part of News International. This says they're turning the page."............................ Hmmmmmmm???? Harold Evans: 'Rupert Murdoch is the stiletto, a man of method, a cold-eyed manipulator' In a new preface to his book, Good Times, Bad Times, the former Sunday Times editor connects the phone-hacking crisis to earlier events at News International Well worth a read! |
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| Mobson | Sep 20 2011, 08:46 AM Post #104 |
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I have always liked Harold Evans...can't be totally sure of course, but he has always struck me as being a journalist with a conscience and an all round good egg! He actually made me want to read his paper, during his leadership at the Sunday Times...unlike now! Edited by Mobson, Sep 20 2011, 09:11 AM.
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| caissier | Sep 20 2011, 09:38 AM Post #105 |
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Murdoch is giving £1,000,000 to charity in expiation. I doubt if he will notice it and I can imagine they'll find a way of making it tax efficient. |
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| madfor4 | Sep 20 2011, 10:30 AM Post #106 |
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Me too.... His point about how any 'independent' reporting, even verbatim parliamentary reporting, was forbidden by Murdoch and how he imposed a political policy and fired any recalcitrant editor (Harold Evans was the 12th Times editor in nearly 200 years; Murdoch is on his 18th editor in thirty) How Thatcher, to have a biased press, performed somersaults to accomodate him, and why every PM since has done the same, is quite chilling.... |
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| Mobson | Sep 20 2011, 11:03 AM Post #107 |
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so in a way the revelation of the phone hacking debacle is a good thing as it has put our current prime minister on his guard for the future, whilst admitting exactly what you are saying about the past/present.
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| madfor4 | Sep 20 2011, 11:28 AM Post #108 |
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Yes! No-one will pay 'Danegeld' to someone who's threats are meaningless... |
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| Mobson | Oct 19 2011, 09:24 AM Post #109 |
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Whilst awaiting the hearing date for James Murdoch's return to the House of Commons select committee, this was revealed in the press yesterday; Rupert Murdoch has agreed a £3 million pound 'deal' with the parents of Milly Dowler. The payout, funded from the tycoon's personal fortune, includes a one million pound donation to six British charities that Milly's parents feel she would have supported including a £100,000 donation to the Suzy Lamplugh Trust, and other sizeable donations to a local children's hospice, Child Victim's of Crime, Cancer Research and Brain Tumour UK. "All the beneficiaries have some link to Milly herself" said Milly's parents. Under an out-of-court-settlement, Milly's family will get about two million pounds in personal damages. No amount of money that Murdoch shells out to all those affected by the 'hacking scandal' will recompense for the shame and indignity of such a heinous activity. Edited by Mobson, Oct 19 2011, 11:17 AM.
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| rumbaba | Nov 7 2011, 10:54 PM Post #110 |
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This is all kicking off again.
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| chris crossing | Nov 9 2011, 09:38 AM Post #111 |
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Yes, a good kicking would be about right... |
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| caissier | Nov 9 2011, 10:43 AM Post #112 |
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It still amazes how they thought they were above the law and could get away with anything. A Sun reporter was arrested on Friday which has led to great gloom there as it is feared more could follow. They were said to not be encouraged to hear that Rupert is up for a fight. What is there to fight about. They are bang to rights. |
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| Mobson | Nov 9 2011, 10:44 AM Post #113 |
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I'm wondering now all the revelations in a 'dossier of evidence' obtained by BBC Newsnight from an ex-policement/private investigator, Derek Webb, who was apparently hired by NoftheW to carry out undercover surveillance work on more than 150 targets for eight years, including the Royals, a former attorney general and a football manager, if Murdoch will have the nerve to keep tomorrow's return appointment with the House of Commons Select committee..... |
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| caissier | Nov 9 2011, 10:47 AM Post #114 |
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It was reported the other day that the police are still examining the laptops found in the underground carpark, belonging to Rebekah's husband. I remember reading, years ago, of somebody objecting to a female Sun reporter about the hounding and harrassment of a public figure, and being told, in a mock serious voice, "Watch out or we'll do it to you." Going after the lawyers representing hackees to pressure and intimidate is outrageous ..... perverting the course of justice in some way? Edited by caissier, Nov 9 2011, 10:54 AM.
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| becky sharp | Nov 10 2011, 08:41 AM Post #115 |
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From The Independent.... Murdoch junior is prepped for 'assault on credibility' Committee bingo: What's James likely to say to MPs this time? He's facing another tough ... and no doubt long ...session before the Media Select Committee today. To liven things up if you're watching at home, give yourself a point if he uses any of these phrases: Did not have direct knowledge No recollection Can you repeat? Difficult for me to comment Regret Financial quantum Not in a position to answer Humble Before I was involved Happy to supply awritten answer Co-operate fully Matters for current criminal investigations Not to my knowledge Approval threshold Procedural question Due process Transparency If I can clarify Documentary information. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/press/murdoch-junior-is-prepped-for-assault-on-credibility-6259686.html |
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| Mobson | Nov 10 2011, 11:37 AM Post #116 |
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11am: the boy's turned up and he's wearing a poppy as is everyone in viewshot...the m.p. interviewing him right now, if you close your eyes, well it's Phil Jupitus! |
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| caissier | Nov 10 2011, 11:54 AM Post #117 |
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.... plus"no recall of that" "I'm really glad you asked me that .... " "ah ............... I don't know ..... " ( blankly defiant look) hesitancy It's hard to see how (nepotism apart) he got to and kept his job when he really isn't very impressive. Are other captains of capitalism as shakey-seeming as him? To me he looks boney and dim. (Just now on the news ........ what everybody else says is 'misleading'.) Edited by caissier, Nov 10 2011, 12:06 PM.
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| tafkaj | Nov 10 2011, 12:35 PM Post #118 |
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Well, quite, caiss - don't tell me you don't buy into the notion that only the Murdochs are right and everyone else is "mistaken" ... ? And Mini-Digger has just answered one question with: "I couldn't begin to speculate"! This got a ripple of disbelieving laughter from the assembled onlookers - and a guffaw of incredulity from me! Edited by tafkaj, Nov 10 2011, 12:37 PM.
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| caissier | Nov 10 2011, 01:07 PM Post #119 |
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"Mr. Murdoch, can I have £700,000 ....... please?" "Sure!" |
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| becky sharp | Nov 10 2011, 01:54 PM Post #120 |
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The Spanish branch of the Murdoch family... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6EaoPMANQM
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| caissier | Nov 10 2011, 02:23 PM Post #121 |
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Poor old B is being quite nice there! James seems to have decided all he can do is deny everything a brazen it out. |
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| becky sharp | Nov 13 2011, 02:52 PM Post #122 |
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Another twist in this saga in The Independent today.... Murdoch may be quizzed after emails discovery http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/murdoch-may-be-quizzed-after-emails-discovery-6261679.htm |
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| caissier | Nov 16 2011, 07:34 PM Post #123 |
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A small snippet of the story; the mother of Hugh Grant's child being threatened. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/nov/16/leveson-inquiry-hugh-grant |
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| Caro | Nov 16 2011, 08:02 PM Post #124 |
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A little sidewards issue from this. NZ is about to hold it 3-yearly general elections (I will be a vote-issuing officer for this). National (Conservative) looked to be a shoo-in for this, still look a shoo-in really. But a bizarre event took place the other day. Under MMP there are coalitions, and one coalition partner the National Party want with them is our right-wing Act party, struggling in the polls. So National want people to vote against their own candidate in one electorate to ensure an Act member gets in and brings some others with him from the party list. (Two votes with MMP, an electorate one with first past the post results and a party one, dishing out politicians in accordance with how many votes a party gets.) To ensure this, the National Party leader and the Act candidate got together in the glare of publicity with lots of media invited to have a cup of tea together. This all went well till it was realised that a journalist had left (he says accidentally) a microphone turned on at the table. He sent it to the Auckland Herald, but it's not legal in NZ to deliberately record or play a private conversation (how private is a conversation that every man and his dog is invited to film?) if neither party knows about it. So it is sitting at the Herald, with innuendo everywhere about what is on in, and the PM saying he will take this matter to the police, and no one quite sure what is on the tape. The PM comapring this to News of the World tactics hasn't quite done as well as it might, but people aren't fond of the media generally and he has been very popular (if a little inclined to work out what the polls say and take it from there; I suppose you could call that democracy, though when it comes to asset sales he is not so democratic, since hardly anyone wants that), so it's all a little uncertain what effect this will have in 9 days time. Comments about slippery slopes of media reporting leading to child suicide have offended parents, and the possibility he said that one party's supporters are dying out has offended another section. What is especially amazing to me is that with all the security focus in this world, and the minders these people have, no one noticed a little black bag sitting at the PM's elbow and the reporter was able to regain it at the end! Anyway we will see. Cheers, Caro. |
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| caissier | Dec 23 2011, 11:30 PM Post #125 |
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A round-up of the enquiry, currently on the i-player ...... http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01946f5/The_Phone_Hacking_Inquiry_Episode_5/ ..... hilarious in places as the reptiles evince fake-sincere regret and reach Arthur Daly levels of twisting their words to escape moral responsibility - especially about the Beckhams, Max Mosely and the Mc Canns. |
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| caissier | Jan 21 2012, 02:44 AM Post #126 |
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Marina Hyde on Celeb-Mag editors at the Leveson Enquiry http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/20/leveson-ordure-not-ok-celebrity-magazine ...... more hilarious stuff about people who don't understand what they've done. |
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| rumbaba | Feb 17 2012, 10:36 AM Post #127 |
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It's been quiet on here despite what's happening with The Sun. I'm looking forward to the prospect of Sun 'journalists' taking their employer to the European Court of Human Rights
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| Mobson | Feb 17 2012, 10:58 AM Post #128 |
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I was actually going to post up something yesterday but it wasn't going to be about the goings-on and subsequent arrest of certain Sun employees which has brought The Leader to our sunny Isles once more - it was to say 'Thank you' to the Sun for keeping it's sister newspaper in business, so that it has enabled The Sunday Times Magazine to celebrate it's 50 year anniversary ....see photography for more details
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| Mobson | Feb 17 2012, 03:07 PM Post #129 |
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Wow! There's going to be a new tabloid...the Sun on Sunday! Rupert the Bear has announced in an email to his staff that it will be launched very soon. "We will build on the Sun's proud heritage by launching the Sun on Sunday very soon. Our duty is to expand one of the world's most widely read newspapers and reach even more people than ever before. Having a winning paper is the best answer to our critics." The News Corporation boss also declared his "unwavering support" for the Sun's journalists at News International's offices in Wapping, London and has lifted all staff suspensions pending police inquiries. He said he would stay in London for the next several weeks and offer his "unwavering support". He also said "illegal activities simply cannot and will not be tolerated" and described the recent arrests as a "source of great pain for me. But he praised the "superb work" of Sun journalists and said "the Sun is a part of me". "I remain grateful for your superb work and for the stories you uncover to inform and protect the public. None more so than over the last three weeks," Mr Murdoch's email stated. My continuing respect makes this situation a source of great pain for me, as I know it is for each of you. We will obey the law. "Illegal activities simply cannot and will not be tolerated - at any of our publications. Our board of directors, our management team and I take these issues very seriously. "Our independently chaired Management & Standards Committee, which operates outside of News International, has been instructed to co-operate with the police. "We will turn over every piece of evidence we find - not just because we are obligated to but because it is the right thing to do. "We are doing everything we can to assist those who were arrested - all suspensions are hereby lifted until or whether charged and they are welcome to return to work. News Corporation will cover their legal expenses. Everyone is innocent unless proven otherwise." He didn't get where he is today by....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QFsx5SohzQ Edited by Mobson, Feb 17 2012, 03:24 PM.
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| caissier | Feb 19 2012, 04:32 AM Post #130 |
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..... and because if we don't we will be prosecuted in America and go to jail ......
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| becky sharp | Feb 19 2012, 01:43 PM Post #131 |
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From The Guardian.... Rupert Murdoch letter to News International staff 'full of legal errors' Human rights lawyer says media mogul is not legally obliged to hand over evidence to police, and that doing so is unethical http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/feb/18/rupert-murdoch-letter-legal-errors |
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| Mobson | Feb 29 2012, 03:09 PM Post #132 |
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In a statement an hour ago, James Murdoch has stepped down as executive chairman of News International, owners of the Sun and the Times titles...he will remain as deputy chief operating officer of parent group News Corporation. He said "I deeply appreciate the dedication of my many talented colleagues at News International who work tirelessly to inform the public." He added that the launch of a new Sunday edition of the Sun and "new business practices" put the company in a "strong position" for the future. It seems indicative that it was his father, Rupert, who came to London last week and took control of the launch of The Sun on Sunday. No doubt whilst here he has had the opportunity to see that, as a result of the phone hacking scandal and resultant Enquiry, there's going to be rather a lot of criticism aimed at his son James in the culture and media select committee report, which presumably will be coming out in the not too distant future, and essentially he's been moved out of the firing line. Rupert Murdoch said: "We are all grateful for James' leadership at News International and across Europe and Asia, where he has made lasting contributions to the group's strategy in paid digital content and its efforts to improve and enhance governance programs." He added that James would now "continue to assume a variety of essential corporate leadership mandates, with particular focus on pay-TV businesses and broader international operations". James Murdoch also remains chairman at satellite broadcaster BSkyB, of which News Corporation owns 39%. Edited by Mobson, Feb 29 2012, 04:32 PM.
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| rumbaba | Feb 29 2012, 09:39 PM Post #133 |
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4161108/Girl-eats-4000-brwashing-up-sponges.html Judging by the front page of today's Sun, they have given up the idea of publishing a newspaper. This is The Daily Sport, surely? What's tomorrow's headline, 'World War II Bomber Found on Moon'?
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| Mobson | Mar 13 2012, 05:27 PM Post #134 |
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Those still calling for the head of Rebekah Brooks will be delighted to see that she has yet again been arrested as part of the police inquiry into allegations of phone hacking.Police said one woman and five men have been detained and held on suspicion of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice as part of the Operation Weeting hacking probe. News International confirmed that its head of security Mark Hanna is among the six detained. Mrs Brooks is the only suspect to have been arrested previously whilst the other five are new arrests, including Mrs Brooks husband, the racehorse trainer Charlie Brooks. Mrs Brooks was arrested at her home in Oxfordshire; her husband was also detained and they are being held at separate police stations. Very inconvenient timing for him as he wrote in the Daily Telegraph column on Monday about how much he was looking forward to going to the Cheltenham festival which began today. He said "The happiest moment of my year is about three hours before the first race" - perhaps the police read this and decided to rain on his parade! Mr Cameron, who is a good friend of Mr Brooks since their days at Eton, is out of the country so he won't be able to come to his friend's aid.... Edited by Mobson, Mar 13 2012, 08:23 PM.
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| becky sharp | Mar 13 2012, 06:29 PM Post #135 |
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I'll get me knitting |
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| Mobson | Mar 13 2012, 08:24 PM Post #136 |
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......I've got my book!
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| rumbaba | Mar 13 2012, 08:40 PM Post #137 |
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What about the horse? |
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| becky sharp | Mar 14 2012, 06:42 PM Post #138 |
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He can bring his own knitting and book!
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| Mobson | Mar 14 2012, 09:27 PM Post #139 |
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and will Rebekah be the Headless Highway(wo)man!!!
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| Mobson | Mar 17 2012, 09:59 AM Post #140 |
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Cor, for a potted history of the power of the British press, listen to this fifteen minute reflection from historian David Cannadine. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01d5r25 |
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| becky sharp | Mar 17 2012, 12:05 PM Post #141 |
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The consequences of the phone hacking scandal rumble on..... James Murdoch to quit Sotheby's board James Murdoch followed up his resignation as chairman of News International with the decision to quit the board of Sotheby's, the international auctioneers where he has been a director since 2010. The embattled executive bowed to calls from some corporate governance campaigners and said he will not stand for re-election to the Sotheby's board at its annual meeting in May. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/james-murdoch-to-quit-sothebys-board-7575980.html |
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| dai Cottomy | Mar 17 2012, 05:09 PM Post #142 |
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AAh! Speak not ill of R.B. - She of the magnificent mane and fine fetlocks.
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| Mobson | Mar 18 2012, 10:42 AM Post #143 |
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and I'm sure they'll be made use of - like a lovely young girl on breakfast telly this week who was donating her long locks to make wigs for cancer patients... now that's what I call a brave and worthy gesture!
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| chris crossing | Apr 3 2012, 10:21 AM Post #144 |
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In the wake of the tabloids being (rightly) hauled over the coals for hacking into people's mobile phones, by what logic is it compatible with any principle of democracy that the Government is now pressing for GCHQ to be officially granted the right to access and record the phone calls, texts, emails and Internet activity of each and every member of the British public 24/7? Edited by chris crossing, Apr 3 2012, 10:27 AM.
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| becky sharp | Apr 24 2012, 01:33 PM Post #145 |
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Can't find a/the thread on the Leveson Inquiry ..so I'll tag this onto this oneIt's tickling me how Mr Jay says"Mmm" after some of James Murdoch's answers at the Leveson Inquiry. I have fast become a fan of Lord Leveson after seeing him preside over this inquiry Chris Bryant has just tweeted "I suspect Mr Jeremy Hunt is not long for this world politically, but it's going to get worse for Cameron." |
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| caissier | Apr 24 2012, 01:45 PM Post #146 |
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I liked it when after a police press person had blatently stonewalled his questions, he looked mournfully around the room and said .... "Oh, well we tried .... " I think Cameron is being found out at last. His bluster is not enough any more |
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| Mobson | Apr 25 2012, 10:56 AM Post #147 |
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I don't know about that but Leveson made an opening statement warning of not pre-empting the result of the emails Murdoch spoke about yesterday. There is he explained another side 'of the story' yet to be revealed. This morning is his father's turn and up to this point, it has been rather like watching paint dry! Mr Murdoch Snr is answering historical questions regarding his acquisition of the Time newspapers in Thatcher's era....and the 'prosecutor' is quoting from ex-editors books and in some cases, testimony from Atkin - which got a smirk from Mr Murdoch. There's a long way to go, his questioning extends into tomorrow - btw there seem to be lots and lots of people sitting in rows in the background just staring into space - what a waste of taxpayers money! Edited by Mobson, Apr 25 2012, 10:59 AM.
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| caissier | Apr 25 2012, 12:20 PM Post #148 |
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It looks to me as though the Murdochs have invested in some good tactical and media management advice. It's turning into a fascinating combination of chess and jousting tournament. The Government have to put up some sort of defence and imo you can sense the swivelling and feints, parrys, digressions, diversions, loose assertions, .... as they all try to defend the indefensible. It is a huge catharsis as so much pent-up wrong-doing to which a blind eye has been turned for thirty years is gradually released week by week.. I think it all goes back to Murdoch and what he was prepared to do from the start to succeed in newspapers. Edited by caissier, Apr 25 2012, 12:21 PM.
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| caissier | Apr 26 2012, 01:07 PM Post #149 |
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There were a lot of articles yesterday about Murdoch, his personality and behaviour. He really is a fox. It's interesting comparing archive film of him in the 60s and now, showing the similarities. He cynically knows excatly what he's doing, deploying different mannerisms as necessary, to get what he wants. He's a consummate actor. He reminds me of Barry Humphrys, regarding it all as a game which he's completely on top of. His missions seem to be .... 1 - Give a little, concede a little, but obfuscate and calm things down 2 - Create space between his family and the scandal because, in America, it is more serious. Someone might be / will be going to prison. |
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| caissier | Apr 26 2012, 05:24 PM Post #150 |
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Nick Davies' observations on Rupert today ..... plus Murdoch footage from the decades. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/apr/26/rupert-murdoch-reputation-leveson-verdict We're going through incredible times. |
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| rumbaba | Apr 26 2012, 05:34 PM Post #151 |
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http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-%26-entertainment/how-will-latest-murdoch-revelations-affect-glee?-asks-britain-201204255160/ |
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| caissier | May 3 2012, 11:40 AM Post #152 |
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Tom Watson is suggesting the Murdochs were informed of CMS committe discussions ...... "Labour MP Tom Watson has suggested that News Corporation was given details of private discussions about the culture select committee's controversial phone hacking report, in an escalating row with his Conservative counterpart Louise Mensch. Watson, replying to Mensch during a Twitter spat following the Tory MP's appearance on BBC Radio 4's Today programme on Thursday morning, said a letter sent by James Murdoch, News Corp deputy chief operating officer, "seemed uncannily to answer concerns raised in private discussions" by committee members." Twitter spat going on @this /@that http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/may/03/news-corp-given-details-claims-watson Edited by caissier, May 3 2012, 11:42 AM.
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| caissier | May 4 2012, 11:23 AM Post #153 |
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The Government has suddenly applied to become a 'core participant' in the Leveson Inquiry, along with the Met and newspapers with something to lose ........ ahead of Andy Coulson and Rebekah Brookes ...... meaning it will see their evidence in advance - and can have it redacted - blacked out in parts. Emergency application is 2pm today ....... desperate stuff imo. They are starting to interfere. |
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| caissier | May 12 2012, 01:12 AM Post #154 |
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A very interesting article about Rebekah by Michael Wolfe ...... http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/may/11/rebekah-brooks-worked-murdochs It fits with her appearance at the Leveson Inquiry, where she was desperately evading at many points but acting a part throughout, I thought ..... and the only authentic moment was when she forgot herself and enjoyed a sniggering smile to someone off to the left. She was in impossible positions over the Brown's baby, Baby P, and her anti-paedophile campaign but brazened her way though the day. I didn't believe a word she said. She really gave an impression of immaculately controlled sullen arrogance - "Do you seriously think I am going to be impressed by this nonsense. My world is a much higher thing and ideas of telling the truth to you do not apply to me. I'm not divulging anything if I can help it." There was a profile of her about a year ago saying that she was never a proper journalist but as a careerist astonishing. Edited by caissier, May 12 2012, 01:15 AM.
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| Mobson | May 15 2012, 09:36 AM Post #155 |
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Again Rebekah Brooks, still trying to control breaking news, has pre-empted the formal announcement just made by the CPS's legal adviser, Alison Levitt, QC, regarding the charges to be brought against them for perverting the course of justice as part of the phone hacking inquiry. In a statement to the news channels and media before the official announcement, she and her husband Charlie, said "We deplore this weak and unjust decision. We have this morning been informed by the Office of the Department of Public Prosecutions that we are to be charged with perverting the course of justice." They added: "After the further unprecedented posturing of the CPS we will respond later today after our return from the police station." Announcing the decision, director of public prosecutions legal adviser Alison Levitt, QC, said she was making her statement "in the interests of transparency and accountability" to explain the decision to charge. Edited by Mobson, May 15 2012, 09:38 AM.
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| caissier | May 15 2012, 10:06 AM Post #156 |
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I watched Alastair Cambell yesterday which was revealing. He didn't have the memory problems of Andy and Rebekah - enjoyed himself a little too much - but was very forthright. He was saying Big Media thought it did not have to follow the usual rules and laws. Rebekah's statement has just that flavour of imperious agrieved disgust at the nerve of others in holding her to account. They are fantastically adept in trying to use their headline-writing skills to turn around apparent perceptions - rubbishing criticism and eliciting sympathy. For all his sharpnessI thought Robert Jay looked a bit tired. He is now up against ferocious performers, tempered by careers at the top of politics and the media. The verbal timings are dramatic and his, " .... mmm .... "s very telling. |
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| becky sharp | May 15 2012, 12:29 PM Post #157 |
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Lord Justice Leveson says he will make a statement at 2pm on recent events that will be of some significance. He did not say what recent events he was referring to. |
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| rumbaba | May 15 2012, 02:20 PM Post #158 |
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| madfor4 | May 31 2012, 09:25 AM Post #159 |
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Now Coulson has been charged with perjury; what sort of 'vetting' goes on within government appointments. Still normal rules don't seem to apply to the current bunch of wasters. Sleaze usually appears in second/third terms but this lot seem to be going for some sort of record. |
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| caissier | May 31 2012, 10:42 AM Post #160 |
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jeremy is lambada-ing for his life, parrying Robert Jay's detailed questions. Taking hits imo. All he cared about was 'jobs' ..... wish the rest of the Government was so concerned about them. |
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| madfor4 | Jun 1 2012, 07:12 AM Post #161 |
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Cassier, I think you are being unkind to Jeremy. Last night, at dinner, we discussed this issue at length. Lord Lucan and Elvis both agreed that he was telling the truth; only Shergar said 'neigh'! |
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| rumbaba | Jun 1 2012, 08:01 AM Post #162 |
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| becky sharp | Jun 1 2012, 01:40 PM Post #163 |
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This perhaps should be in Questions Questions ...how is J Hunt still in his job??.
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| caissier | Jun 1 2012, 11:56 PM Post #164 |
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It is typical .... and maybe encouraged by some whom it suits ..... that in kerfuffles over one exciting aspect others are lost. James Murdoch quietly backs out of the limelight as everybody scrabbles over 'dynamite' texts and emails and the issue of the Tories' now even more clearly revealed desperation to give Murch a supportive media near-hegemony tends to fall out of mind. Hunt says he did everything so, so properly, with pious regards for jobs and investment. Maybe, but should he have been giving overwhelming media power to Murdoch, corruptive and coarsening of national life and well-being? Well ..... no, but eyes are going off that ball. |
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| madfor4 | Jun 2 2012, 06:48 AM Post #165 |
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Cameron has to 'hold the line' on JH; he sacked Cable for being 'openly' against the bid and, the same day, appointed JH who was 'openly' for it. If JH resigns or is sacked, for being impartial, Cameron faces the question, "Why did you appoint him?" Hunt is Cameron's 'firewall'. |
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| caissier | Jun 2 2012, 09:08 AM Post #166 |
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I watched the whole of JH's appearance at the Leveson Inquiry and riveting it was too. There are a lot of articles about it; one mused that you can buy some very good training on how to get through such a grilling ..... so there was constant careful selection of wording, designed evasions, readily grabbed favourable interpretations when suggested, ridiculous denials spoken with straight-faced flat-voiced sincerity, the right body language and the right sort of eye-contact, pretended submissiveness (somebody said when RB said "Sir" to Leveson she only just managed not to say, with lowered eyelashes, "Sire".) It's pretty tame really, I think, compared with a real criminal court interrogation. Robert Jay was putting things from all sorts of angles but just playing. Jeremy looked extremely uncomfortable throughout; I would not have been surprised if he had fainted. When they got to Adam Smith's sacking he seemed to blanch, his voice dropped and slowed and imo tears weren't far away ..... a despicable busines even if politics is supposed to be rough. There were many LOL moments when he put forward unbelievably risible explanations, getting a ".... hmm ....... from RJ; "Thank you for that, Mr Hunt ..... ". I think the most absurd is the line that when Fred Michel and Adam Smith text or email "JH", "Jeremy" and "Jeremy Hunt" it does not meam Jeremy Hunt at all ..... oh no no no. It must be outside the terms of inquiry for RJ to say things like "Do you seriously expect us to believe that, Mr Hunt?" Also the idea that poor, bright, brilliant, experienced and intensely loyal Adam Smith was just 'pressured' into going native and loose cannon by the weight of contact and Gallic charm of FM. It's a joke and the joker's cap fits the permanently mischievously smirking Jeremy Hunt very well. It is fantastic to see political smokescreen blather for once being subjected to "Let's just look at that statement ......" and the politicians look very uncomfortable in that kind of spotlight. They can deal with it in a way because they are experienced and can think on their feet, and can prevent a collapse of the batting order but they can't stop the reality being clear. A big question is who orchestrated the spy-girls' sting on Vince at a couldn't-have-been-more-convenient moment. The Telegraph executive said to have set it up left almost immediately and was given a job on a NI paper. " ...... hmm ..... " as you might say. In years to come I think school kids are going to be writing 'Leveson Inquiry' headings in their history notebooks in the way we used to write Entente Cordiale, Fashoda Incident, The Jameson Raid, The Locarno Pact 1925. History in the making. Edited by caissier, Jun 2 2012, 09:27 AM.
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| caissier | Jun 17 2012, 12:20 PM Post #167 |
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An interesting story today about Leveson threatening to quit over Michael Gove's speech in February in which he said the Inquiry is having a chilling effect on journalism. It explains the force of the Judges remarks to him when Gove appeared about not needing to be told about the importance of free speech. It's possible to see postions being taken for dealing with the Report at the end. Many people are saying there must be some kind of statutory controls, with Tories - Gove, Osborne, Cameron - with humming and harring, feeling that, on balance, and to protect the 'vitality' (Ha! ) of the Press they are inclined against them. Well, they would say that .... given the Press is very largely Tory-leaning.Ideas about much greater prominence for retractions, possibly on the front page, miss the point. Once the damage is done, it can't be undone. Ideas have been lodged in readers minds. There has to be before the event policing within newspapers so, personally, I think a system of weighty fines on editors ( which can't be met by billionaire owners ) could do that. Another issue discussed recently is the proportion of media opwnership and therefore power - which led them all to genuflect to Murdoch and probably had a lot to do with Blair's so-called right-wing policies - but he had to go that way to avoid the emnity of NI. That's an example of why this is all so serious. Murdoch, the wild colonial boy, who doesn't like rules and regulations, and relishes the power of influence, has undermined British public life, government and culture for decades. |
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| Mobson | Jul 24 2012, 04:20 PM Post #168 |
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As the Levenson Inquiry officially comes to an end today for Lord Justice Levenson to go off and prepare his Report on the future of the media, here's a synopsis of the proceedings, numbers, analysis, 10 key witnesses, Q & A http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18913397 ...eight people, including ReBeKah Brooks and Andy Coulson, have been charged and will face a total of 19 incidences relating to phone hacking...the full extent of the charges will be released when the police have had the opportunity of notifying all those involved.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18961228 Edited by Mobson, Jul 24 2012, 04:21 PM.
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| caissier | Jul 24 2012, 05:45 PM Post #169 |
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I don't think there was any mention of Andy Coulson being prosecuted for perjury (if convicted = jail, like Jonathan Aitken). I read he has said he assumes that's where he'll end up. I hope Leveson's ideas include a degree of evolution to deal with unforseeable changes to the media. I think he'll come up with something effective; he's shown great concern for those non-celebrities badly affected by all the intrusions and heartleess treatment. The idea of penalising editors - and journalist - personally is good - stopping them doing it in the first place ...... rather than letting wealthy owners pick up the costa after the event. |
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| madfor4 | Jul 24 2012, 07:50 PM Post #170 |
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It's absolutely amazing how those in high places, earning massive salaries/bonuses (bankers, politicians and editors), are able to run departments/organisations when they know so little about what actually happens. I'm also amazed that, with all the 'checks and balances', Coulson was employed by Cameron when he was warned by ministers and civil servants that this might happen. Mrs Thatcher was told the same things about 'Archer' and ignored them but, I suppose, arrogance is a necessity in a PM. |
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| caissier | Jul 25 2012, 07:23 AM Post #171 |
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Cameron's airy unctuous mantra ..... "I was giving him a second chance .... " sounds ridiculous, like a saintly school headmaster who had been sadly let down by one of his six-former's pot smoking behind the cricket pavilion. The lack of proper security clearance was incompetence all round or deliberate "I don't want to know" avoidance of well-known problems with Coulson. Both he and R Brookes are drawing on their perception-moulding media skills to paint themselves as brave victims of injustice. They can't believe they've been caught out and are being held to account. Ultimately though it's right what has been said lately; it was really all caused by the intense competition that Murdoch brought to the British press ...... which others decided they could go along with. Edited by caissier, Jul 25 2012, 07:27 AM.
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| rumbaba | Jul 25 2012, 02:00 PM Post #172 |
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I'm not holding my breath: I await the ridiculous mouse ![]() Parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus Edited by rumbaba, Jul 26 2012, 09:00 AM.
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| waiting4atickle | Jul 26 2012, 12:55 AM Post #173 |
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Are you taking the Mickey, rum? |
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| rumbaba | Jul 26 2012, 09:01 AM Post #174 |
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| rumbaba | Aug 24 2012, 10:30 AM Post #175 |
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I see Murdoch is trying a different tack now, he has his daughter bigging up the BBC and talking about responsible journalism. Is the idea to create a 'Levenson-friendly' member of the Murchoch clan to slip in as a front for Rupe? I wouldn't trust any of them as far as I could throw them.
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| caissier | Aug 24 2012, 11:31 AM Post #176 |
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Dead right. They seem to have a conviction that they are an International Power, the business of which is to to engage in a International Media Realpolitik. In practice perhaps they are but they have no democratic mandate, only, through utter unscrupulousness, the chance possession of the means to tap and manipulate popular opinion and prejudice. It feels like Rupert, rebuffed and on the back-foot, has made a retaliatory move to re-establish the old situation - royalty-embarassment-picture-sensation. It's Fergie's toe sucking and Diana's see-through dress etc all over again ...... the old non sense; that this is naturally accepted to be a proper news story. The editor of the Sun was trying to create the impression that there is a Leveson-acceptable public interest case for publishing, using predictable double-think reasoning. Who knows what Elizabeth Murdoch is up to? She's married to PR Machievelli Matthew Freud so it's anybody's guess. The worrying thing is that, with the power of international corporations, the fate of the world looks to be outside the control of elected governments, themselves imperfect. |
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| becky sharp | Sep 3 2012, 12:38 PM Post #177 |
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Rebekah Brooks has appeared in court to face charges related to phone hacking. She was released on bail on the condition that she lives at her given address, does not contact her fellow accused and gives the police seven days' notice should she wish to travel abroad. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19463067 Perhaps all of them have already done all the contacting they need....and who's to know if they contact each other again? I would think there are ways and means of contacting people without going through the obvious channels..... |
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| tafkaj | Sep 8 2012, 11:21 AM Post #178 |
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Such as ... ? |
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| becky sharp | Sep 8 2012, 01:24 PM Post #179 |
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Use your imagination....I bet they have......
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| tafkaj | Sep 10 2012, 11:34 AM Post #180 |
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But I'm not a bent journalist. |
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| Joe K | Sep 10 2012, 02:19 PM Post #181 |
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What I don't get is the point of pinning this. It might be justified for threads containing information such as forum rules, but if the should topic drop down the board it will be because people have stopped talking about it. However, here's no sign of that happening anytime soon... |
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| caissier | Sep 10 2012, 06:43 PM Post #182 |
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Hi Joe ...... well I pinned it because it seemed to me to be of such importance ....... hHistory in the making - like the Dreyfus Affair or McCarthyism in America. Murdoch has dominated and insideously coarsened public life for so long. influencing the media, politics, and now it, appears, the police, even the way people think. It might mark a great turning point for this country to be rid of his power, an awakening, even if not completely. There were going to be continual developments so it would have to be 'found'. I felt it wasn't just an everyday news story. |
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| madfor4 | Sep 26 2012, 03:12 PM Post #183 |
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Trial date for Brooks, et al....September 2013 (at the earliest) talk about 'kicked into the long grass'... |
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| becky sharp | Sep 28 2012, 12:42 PM Post #184 |
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I couldn't believe it when I heard it would be next September,mads......
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| tafkaj | Sep 28 2012, 01:52 PM Post #185 |
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They need more time to hack into Brooks's emails and phone calls. |
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| becky sharp | Oct 16 2012, 01:09 PM Post #186 |
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From The Independent... David Cameron, Rebekah Brooks and the emails kept from Leveson Prime Minister took legal advice on withholding dozens of 'embarrassing' messages from judicial inquiry Private emails between David Cameron and the former News International chief executive Rebekah Brooks have been withheld from the Leveson Inquiry after the Prime Minister sought personal legal advice, The Independent can reveal. The cache of documents, which runs to dozens of emails and is also thought to include messages sent to Andy Coulson while he was still a Rupert Murdoch employee, was not disclosed after No 10 was advised by a Government lawyer that it was not “relevant” to the inquiry into press standards. The contents of the private emails are described by sources as containing “embarrassing” exchanges. They hold the potential to cast further light on the close personal relationship between the Prime Minister and two of the media mogul’s most senior lieutenants. However Mr Cameron, as part of legal briefings he received before and after his appearance before the inquiry, was said to have been advised that the Brooks-Coulson emails were outside Sir Brian Leveson’s remit and so he did not need to offer them up to form part of his report, expected to be published next month. Although the Leveson Inquiry agreed to keep private a number of text messages between Mr Cameron and Mrs Brooks – disclosed by News International – after accepting that they were “irrelevant to its terms of reference”, no agreement was made for any emails or texts originating from Downing Street. Sources within the inquiry have indicated that while documents detailing Mr Cameron’s meetings with media figures were received from No 10, it had received none of the Brooks-Cameron emails. An inquiry source confirmed: “Everything we got from No 10 we published.” During his evidence to the inquiry in June, Mr Cameron said his officials would continue to search for emails related to News Corps’ controversial bid for control of BSkyB. He promised: “If any are found, I will make them available to the inquiry.” Leveson sources said that No 10 had not subsequently told the inquiry it had turned up anything. Downing Street told The Independent last night that “no further relevant material had been found” following the PM’s appearance. Downing Street made no comment on who made the decision on what was deemed “relevant” and what was not. A spokeswoman said: “In common with previous Prime Ministers, the PM sought legal advice in order to co-operate fully with a judicial inquiry.” The disclosure of the existence of the emails may be embarrassing for Mr Cameron, who personally ordered the Leveson Inquiry in the wake of the News of the World phone hacking scandal. A senior Labour MP last night called for the dossier to be released, saying it was vital for the Prime Minister to have given full disclosure. Chris Bryant, a victim of hacking who has been one of the leading campaigners on the issue, said: “If the Prime Minister has taken any steps to prevent any material, relevant or not – whether texts, emails or notes of conversations, between David Cameron and Rebekah Brooks, Andy Coulson and News International – from coming into the public domain, then people will think this is yet another instance of the Prime Minister being less than straightforward with the country.” Mr Bryant, a shadow Home Office spokesman, said it should not be up to a lawyer inside Downing Street to decide whether a text or email was relevant to the Leveson Inquiry: “The PM must make sure that every single communication that passed between himself and Brooks and Coulson is made available to the inquiry, and more important, to the public.” The relationship between Mr Cameron and Mrs Brooks, who is awaiting trial on charges she denies of conspiring to hack phones and conspiring to pervert the course justice, and Mr Coulson, who became the Conservative leader’s media chief in 2007, was closely scrutinised by the inquiry. The former editor of The Sun and the NOTW was asked by the inquiry’s counsel, Robert Jay QC, about the frequency of contact between herself and Mr Cameron when she was News international’s chief executive. She said they texted each other sometimes twice a week, occasionally signing off using the acronym LOL, which Mr Cameron stopped using when told it stood for “laugh out loud” and not “lots of love”. Mrs Brooks did not mention email exchanges. News International provided the inquiry with text messages between Mrs Brooks and Mr Cameron over three months between 2009 and 2011 which had been retrieved from her phone. During Mr Cameron’s evidence to the inquiry in June, its lawyer Robert Jay QC said it had been decided that all but one of the text messages was “irrelevant” to Lord Justice Leveson’s terms of reference. In the disclosed message, sent in October 2009, Mrs Brooks wished the then Leader of the Opposition good luck with his conference speech, adding that “professionally we’re definitely in this together”. News International provided texts to the inquiry following a request under Section 21 of the Inquiries Act, which was used to compel witnesses to provide evidence. No politician who gave evidence to Leveson did so under section 21 rules. A spokesman for the Leveson Inquiry said: “We haven’t given a running http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-rebekah-brooks-and-the-emails-kept-from-leveson-8212487.html |
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| Lurkalot | Oct 23 2012, 12:47 AM Post #187 |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20036822 Mirror hit by High Court claims over phone hacking although denied by the Mirror ....
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| Mobson | Nov 28 2012, 11:32 AM Post #188 |
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The Report: Lord Justice Leveson will publish his Report into the culture, practices and ethics of the press tomorrow. All you ever need to know, and more here.... http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/ Edited by Mobson, Nov 29 2012, 09:40 AM.
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| Mobson | Nov 29 2012, 09:42 AM Post #189 |
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Ok Today's the Day: Lord Leveson will be making a short statement at about 1.30pm on his Report at the QEII Conference Centre in London. "He will not be taking any questions after he had made his statement and will not be available for any interviews" says the official website....where's the 'fun' in that. Bet the press will be chomping at the bit!
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| rumbaba | Nov 29 2012, 01:30 PM Post #190 |
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I expect I will be referriing to my post #172 later |
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| caissier | Nov 29 2012, 05:03 PM Post #191 |
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Cameron has rejected legal underpinning for Leveson's proposals ..... too feeble to stand up to Gove. He puts his party critics before the country. The press are to have a year 'to put their house in order'. Yeah, right. It makes all Leveson's work pointless. He even went easy on Cameron's relationship with the Murdochs and on Jeremy Hunt. He must be a pissed-off Lord Justice. There are reports of lovie-rapprochment vibes between Labour and Cleggie, which might be a turning point for the future up to the next election. All Miliband needs to say is "Leveson in full" to go five more points up in the polls. 87% of the public want new press laws. I think everybody is finally feeling outright revulsion for their outrages. |
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| caissier | Nov 29 2012, 05:30 PM Post #192 |
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Stephen Fry: Tweeting Stephen Fry, confirming his national treasure status: Stephen Fry✔ @stephenfry It would seem David Cameron's address is no longer Number 10 Downing Street: it's now Flat 2, Rupert Murdoch's arse. #leveson 29 Nov 12 Reply Retweet Favorite Edited by caissier, Nov 29 2012, 05:31 PM.
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| Mobson | Nov 29 2012, 05:55 PM Post #193 |
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Ha Ha to all above - Wonder what Boris thinks about it all and if you're wondering why he hasn't been at the forefront today that's probably because he's in India with England's cricketers and after their great win earlier this week no doubt celebrating with the best of 'em! |
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| caissier | Nov 29 2012, 06:12 PM Post #194 |
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Boris has made a statement fron India along the lines.. "Aha!What-ho! Jolly good show, Dave, me old mate (Excellent PM!!) First rate decision, what?? All very difficult, hmm! Freedom of press, absolutely!! Quo Vadis! (for example). Carry on as you were, press-Johnnies!!" ..... or words to that effect. |
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| caissier | Dec 3 2012, 08:39 PM Post #195 |
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Leveson is to be called to give evidence in a new inquiry into the Leveson Inquiry ....... no, seriously ...... http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/dec/03/leveson-cameron-evidence-press-regulation |
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| waiting4atickle | Dec 3 2012, 11:41 PM Post #196 |
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No surprises there - http://s4.zetaboards.com/Radio4forum/single/?p=8545675&t=9637076 |
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| madfor4 | Mar 15 2013, 09:15 AM Post #197 |
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Well, No consensus on Levenson. Dave 'has taken his ball and gone home'..... I may be a cynic but I think 'Teflon' Dave has his eye on the long game...He's unpopular within his own party and way behind Labour in the opinion polls; what better way to get the 'press' on his side...Come election time 2015 he'll be reminding owners/editors that they 'owe' him... |
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| rumbaba | Mar 15 2013, 10:37 AM Post #198 |
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Has anyone asked Leveson whether he agrees with the current tory spin that their new wheeze is 'fully implementing Leveson', as they claim? |
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| madfor4 | Mar 15 2013, 01:09 PM Post #199 |
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Judging by the remarks of some of those 'hacked' they aren't fooled...
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| caissier | Mar 15 2013, 04:58 PM Post #200 |
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It looks as though, typically, Cameron has just HAD ENOUGH!!, and gone and done something reckless. If the Lib-Dems and Labour are firmly against his plan, what is the point of a Commons vote? A lot of Tories are pro-Leveson. Clegg has to okay it as well. There was a fairly nasty discussion on Newsnight last night. The anti-Leveson camp keep referring to 'legislation' reducing press freedom,whenLeveson does not mean that. Neville Wallis, a Murdoch creature, called the victims - Dowler family and the McCanns etc - fanatics. Evan Davis doing a good job for Hacked-Off. |
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I was actually going to post up something yesterday but it wasn't going to be about the goings-on and subsequent arrest of certain Sun employees which has brought The Leader to our sunny Isles once more - it was to say 'Thank you' to the Sun for keeping it's sister newspaper in business, so that it has enabled The Sunday Times Magazine to celebrate it's 50 year anniversary ....see photography for more details
Those still calling for the head of Rebekah Brooks will be delighted to see that she has yet again been arrested as part of the police inquiry into allegations of phone hacking.
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