| Liam Fox; Unofficial advisor | |
|---|---|
| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 7 2011, 08:02 AM (645 Views) | |
| rumbaba | Oct 7 2011, 08:02 AM Post #1 |
|
Liam Fox was very shify this morning. Refusing to answer a direct question 'did you know this person was handing out business cards saying he was your advisor' ? 'The cards have been withdrawn', er yes but did you know? 'I have told him this is not acceptable'. right Liam, but did you know? On the way out - watch this space. Edited by rumbaba, Oct 7 2011, 08:03 AM.
|
![]() |
|
| rumbaba | Oct 10 2011, 11:03 AM Post #2 |
|
I'm surprised noone has commented on this (maybe there is another thread). Did I imagine it or was it on the front pages for the last two days, as well as being the main news story? |
![]() |
|
| waiting4atickle | Oct 10 2011, 01:37 PM Post #3 |
![]()
|
TCIY seems a strange place to post this, rum - wouldn't GD be more appropriate? There have been various references to the case on a number of MC threads, but we don't know the full story yet. As you say, though, the fox is unlikely to escape the baying hounds. |
![]() |
|
| Mobson | Oct 10 2011, 02:00 PM Post #4 |
|
He Speaks! At 3.30pm this afternoon in the House of Commons, he will make a statement and answer questions....the MP for Bolsover will no doubt be primed and ready to attack ...I'm ready with the Parliament channel on mute ... Thank goodness that other ghastly man won't be there to have his say...I'm talking of John Prescott, Peer of the House of Lords, who I have seen on two rubbish panel games over the weekend, one for the BBC! I strongly object to my portion of the t.v licence being spent on someone who has to judge others misdemeanors! ...more of that elsewhere! and yes, this thread should really be in GD! Edited by Mobson, Oct 10 2011, 02:04 PM.
|
![]() |
|
| rumbaba | Oct 10 2011, 04:29 PM Post #5 |
|
I first heard him interviewed on the radio, so I figured it belonged here but guess it is more of a general news item |
![]() |
|
| becky sharp | Oct 10 2011, 07:19 PM Post #6 |
|
This is a rum do!
Edited by becky sharp, Oct 10 2011, 07:20 PM.
|
![]() |
|
| rumbaba | Oct 10 2011, 07:43 PM Post #7 |
|
Well, the choice was mine, and I chose to put it here.
|
![]() |
|
| Mobson | Oct 10 2011, 07:50 PM Post #8 |
|
Aye it certainly is...a rum do I mean, but Mr Fox is a cool and canny Secretary of State! I watched him make his statement live to the House of Commons and once he had read it out and answered questions, many of a repetitive nature , his side were trying to brush over the whole thing constantly bringing the subject of our soldiers in Af and Iraq into the equation, saying we have far graver things to discuss than this. The MP for Bolsover stood up and said Cameron has got his Fox! Fox dismantled Dennis Skinner with an immediate response "It's possible to keep a good wine too long" ... Question: Who is Adam Werrity? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15238289 Edited by Mobson, Oct 10 2011, 07:52 PM.
|
![]() |
|
| madfor4 | Oct 10 2011, 08:00 PM Post #9 |
|
..........Werritty told British businessman Harvey Boulter that if asked, he must say a meeting to discuss defence and healthcare technology attended by just Fox, Werritty and three businessmen in Dubai's five-star Shangri-La hotel in June never took place, Boulter has told the Guardian. Werritty has not responded to a request for comment.......... This whole issue is beginning to resemble J. Archer's efforts; I wonder if who said/did what will ever surface. Fox has followed the usual process, "I made an error of judgement but I promise to be more careful in future". That should, unless some major revelation surfaces, save his bacon. |
![]() |
|
| Mobson | Oct 10 2011, 08:30 PM Post #10 |
|
and now top lawyers Mishcon de Reya have told the Guardian that no such 'secret' meeting took place and have reported the newspaper to the Press Complaints Commission... |
![]() |
|
| rumbaba | Oct 10 2011, 08:33 PM Post #11 |
|
It's tricky for Cameron, he doesn't want to give a scalp to the opposition and Fox is popular with the Tory right wing: better inside the tent..... |
![]() |
|
| caissier | Oct 10 2011, 08:54 PM Post #12 |
|
Administrator
|
I heard that interview clip where Fox repeatedly evaded the question ("take that as a Yes?"). Elsewhere it was resoundingly stated his mate did not attend the meetings for pecuniary advantage. So what was he there for? International high politics meetings tourism? Cameron said a while ago that ministers would be going all out pushing export deals ..... as he did in India and the Middle East. I bet Fox just got caught out being too keen, possibly negotiating the corruption that must still be widespread. There's also something a little odd about the reporting ..... "his close personal friend", "his best man", "shared a bedroom" ...... as though tittilatingly implying a homo-erotic aspect. (TCIY is for anything from on a radio programme so ok here .... ?) |
![]() |
|
| rumbaba | Oct 10 2011, 09:20 PM Post #13 |
|
"did not attend the meetings for pecuniary advantage" Strange, tortuous wording being used to cover this point. 'not depending on "transactional behaviour" for his income'. |
![]() |
|
| caissier | Oct 10 2011, 09:35 PM Post #14 |
|
Administrator
|
yes ..... picking words carefully - as they do these days |
![]() |
|
| waiting4atickle | Oct 10 2011, 09:45 PM Post #15 |
![]()
|
I doubt that. Just how many times did he make that error of judgment? However, his position as 'leader' of the right wingers may do so: I'm not sure Cameron's ready to dish them yet. I suppose he could get rid of Ken as well to even things up... |
![]() |
|
| rumbaba | Oct 10 2011, 10:06 PM Post #16 |
|
This story has being out there for a while. I don't understand why Fox and Cameron weren't better prepared. I am intrigued by the standard answer to the string of jaw dropping details about Werrity's use of Fox's office, being present at meetings where no Civil servant was present, handing out business cards stating he was 'advisor' to Liam Fox, etc - 'Well, he's apologised'. It took a couple of days of protesting there was nothing to apologise for before we got the 'I apologise for giving the appearance of doing something wrong (but I didn't really)'. Who is buying this? |
![]() |
|
| madfor4 | Oct 11 2011, 07:36 AM Post #17 |
|
..Who is buying this?...... They don't care. The party faithful rally round; muddy the waters with talk of, "our brave soldier boys", etc. and wait for it to blow over. The days of "mea culpa" and a resignation have long gone. Hypocrisy, in all political parties, rules. A while ago I listened, on 'Today', to Francis Maude calling teachers, "Greedy" and berating them for lack of concern over taxpayers' money. This is the same man who claimed over £30k for a second London residence when his own home was nearer Parliament than the apartment we paid for! |
![]() |
|
| Hugh Mosby-Joaquin | Oct 11 2011, 08:54 AM Post #18 |
|
Very true. Basically, parliament is a club of old chums, who pretend to berate each other and in so doing, generally make a complete cock-up of running anything. They are in it for their own gain. I can make only one or two exceptions to this notion. To people like the loathsome Foxy Fox, greed is a form of pornography. I have no interest in his private life, I have every interest in his public one. There is quite obviously something underhand and fishy happening, anf Fox has been caught with his trousers round his ankles, presumably the moolah in his pockets weighing them down. However when one of the gang upsets the freemasonic apple-cart, measures have to be sought to right it once more. At this stage it matters not what happens; if Fox and Lord Snooty can coddle up a good story between them -- 'on Cameron's desk by Sunday night'-- (the story rather than Fox, I assume...) then Fox's head might be saved, because Cameron is saved the embarrassment of firing him. Doubtless a bit of 'tongue in cheek' went on, if you get the drift... Afterall, if the whole story was an innocent mistake, Fox did not immediately say so. Why not? He had something to hide. However, fear not; Fox then went on to organise an investigation, a cover-up in other words, and thy to find a lesser head or two in the hierarchy that could comfortably be sacrificed. That should clear him of any wrongdoing then... ...but he as gone even further, and told himself off for making a few minor errors of judgment, and I assume the ongoing report will find no errors within the Ministry of Defence, , no trouble, no breach of security, nothing to see here, etc. But nobody will explain what was actually going on between Fox and his flat-mate, and the arms procurement industry. We have to hope the free press highlight the truth, but it will probably be too late then; Fox will have 'put it behind him' and 'moved on' ...no change there then. |
![]() |
|
| caissier | Oct 11 2011, 09:39 AM Post #19 |
|
Administrator
|
It feels to me as though it is being craftily managed so as to look as though Cameron is taking decisive appropriate action ....... while trying to play it down until we all 'move on'. I've always said about him ...... "Fox by name ...... " (oh yes....) |
![]() |
|
| Mobson | Oct 11 2011, 09:47 AM Post #20 |
|
Jim Murphy led Labour's attack in the Commons yesterday and was slightly thwarted when the mention of a £10,000 donation from the technology firm Dr Fox met in Dubai was called into question.......Dr Fox called for "transparency all round" as he accused Labour of a "conflict of interest". http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/8819272/Labour-spokesman-took-10000-donation-from-technology-firm.html Edited by Mobson, Oct 11 2011, 09:48 AM.
|
![]() |
|
| madfor4 | Oct 11 2011, 04:42 PM Post #21 |
|
Even if Labour are guilty of wrongdoing I fail to see how that, in any way, affects or mitigates Fox's situation. All it does, at least to my mind, is show how Fox is 'flailing around' to find any issue to divert attention away from his own behavior... |
![]() |
|
| Hugh Mosby-Joaquin | Oct 11 2011, 05:11 PM Post #22 |
|
And the tory troops rally round him to suggest this whole ridiculous affair is a mere ripple in a teacup, and anyway Liam has been doing such a good job, and 'our boys' in faraway places are more than eternally greatful to him, and the poe-faced opposition ought to jolly-well get over this, and cease making political capital from it. It's just a pity for him then, that Harvey Boulter has now spoken, and his accounts don't quite compare with Fox's story-line. Some people, you cannot trust 'em... I never thought I'd approve of Fox-hunting.... |
![]() |
|
| becky sharp | Oct 11 2011, 06:51 PM Post #23 |
|
Kevan Jones (Labour MP) has just been asked (after a conversation about the affair) on the BBC news if he thinks Mr Fox will stay put and his reply was " If you look in the papers tomorrow there are new revelations that will cause great concern" |
![]() |
|
| madfor4 | Oct 12 2011, 08:02 AM Post #24 |
|
The idea that Fox was unaware of Werrity's 'Advisor' status seems far fetched. To imagine that umpteen 'unofficial' visits to the MoD, umpteen trips overseas, meetings where no civil servants were present, etc. were not sanctioned by Fox seems equally unlikely. Mr Fox said, in a parliamentary answer: "Mr Werritty is not an employee of the MoD and has, therefore, not travelled with me on any official visit." However, one must therefore assume that a meeting in Dubai discussing military encryption technology and a meeting with the Sri Lankan president were purely social. It appears more and more likely that Fox and Adam Werrity are more than just 'chums'. I have no real interest in Fox's sexuality except how it affects his Office as Defence Secretary but, as it is unclear who paid for these trips, and, as Werrity "is a just friend" without security clearance, his appearance at meetings must show a complete lack of 'security awareness' on Fox's part and that reflects on not just his personal but his Political Judgement. |
![]() |
|
| caissier | Oct 12 2011, 09:06 AM Post #25 |
|
Administrator
|
I think it is very much part of the character of this governent ....... thinking they ought to be able to do anything they want unchecked. Changes to the NHS have started without the legislation being finished. They are cavalier, especially Cameron ..... blusteringly convinced of the right-thinkingness of their off the top of their heads notions. As the natural wielders of power they think they can do whatever they want. They don't even think they need to put up much of an argument ...... as with a health minister this morning brushing off the suggestion that the Health and Social Care bill should be carefully scrutinised. "It's ........... not necessary". Edited by caissier, Oct 13 2011, 01:45 AM.
|
![]() |
|
| madfor4 | Oct 12 2011, 09:56 AM Post #26 |
|
............Mr Fox said, in a parliamentary answer: "Mr Werritty is not an employee of the MoD and has, therefore, not travelled with me on any official visit."........... This is beginning to sound like Clinton's, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman". After all, Fox's, "not travelled with me on any official visit" can mean, "He travelled on a different plane" or even, "He sat in a different row on the same plane". Weasel words which can later be used to say, "I did not lie, I was merely economical with the truth".... |
![]() |
|
| rumbaba | Oct 14 2011, 05:23 PM Post #27 |
|
![]() http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/oct/14/liam-fox-resigns?newsfeed=true Edited by rumbaba, Oct 14 2011, 05:26 PM.
|
![]() |
|
| madfor4 | Oct 14 2011, 06:04 PM Post #28 |
|
...............Downing Street insisted Fox had not been pushed into resigning over the activities of his friend Adam Werritty but it was a decision taken by him with "dignity"....... Doh!!!!!! |
![]() |
|
| becky sharp | Oct 14 2011, 06:27 PM Post #29 |
|
I heard that he resigned because "He wants to spend /less/ time with his friends" ... ....apparently he resigned last week but he gave the letter to Oliver Letwin to deliver....
Edited by becky sharp, Oct 14 2011, 06:31 PM.
|
![]() |
|
| madfor4 | Oct 14 2011, 07:02 PM Post #30 |
|
Becky......
|
![]() |
|
| waiting4atickle | Oct 14 2011, 07:07 PM Post #31 |
![]()
|
Another scandal! As a former shadow secretary for the environment, he should know better than to dispose of official papers in a rubbish bin - they should be recycled. |
![]() |
|
| rumbaba | Oct 14 2011, 08:20 PM Post #32 |
|
You heard it here first
|
![]() |
|
| rumbaba | Oct 14 2011, 08:29 PM Post #33 |
|
He has only given the impression of resigning (for giving the impression of wrongdoing) |
![]() |
|
| Hugh Mosby-Joaquin | Oct 15 2011, 10:33 AM Post #34 |
|
|
![]() |
|
| Mobson | Oct 15 2011, 10:54 AM Post #35 |
|
I've just had a good idea! I'm going print business cards that say 'Adviser to Andrew Lansley CBE MP' to get rid of him... Anyone?? Secretary of State for Health Edited by Mobson, Oct 15 2011, 04:22 PM.
|
![]() |
|
| rumbaba | Oct 18 2011, 05:55 PM Post #36 |
|
Broke the code but 'no personal financial gain'. This is like peeling an onion. Modern politicians have no shame. He should resign his seat and be done with it. |
![]() |
|
| Mobson | Oct 19 2011, 12:53 PM Post #37 |
|
Slim pickings for Labour at PM's question time today, and the promise of yet another personal statement from Dr Fox in the House this afternoon...... |
![]() |
|
| Mobson | Oct 19 2011, 02:17 PM Post #38 |
|
Here it is, if you can be interested! http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_commons/newsid_9619000/9619304.stm |
![]() |
|
| rumbaba | Oct 19 2011, 05:22 PM Post #39 |
|
Still pushing the 'perception' line; shameless. The O'Donnell report was subject to last minute changes, I guess requested by Fox's lawyers. I don't know what they were but I am surprised to see unequivocal statements that security wasn't compromised and that Fox didn't personally benefit. I would have expected a statement that there was 'no evidence' of personal gain or security being breached. |
![]() |
|
| Hugh Mosby-Joaquin | Oct 19 2011, 08:26 PM Post #40 |
|
I never assumed he did, which makes his desire to bring along his chum to sit in at high-level world discussions even odder. I do genuinely wonder at his level of intelligence; maybe he is easily lead, and in fact people like his chum Werritty are probably far better and harder politicians, who will stop at nothing to achieve their desires. Fox probably relished in the power he felt he had, and was spurred on by Werritty, who built up is ego, but for his own gain. That's why Werritty still remains something of an eminence gris behind the throne that he thought Fox might inherit; the old thatcherite tory beliefs, the neo-con group. |
![]() |
|
| Mobson | Nov 1 2011, 03:09 PM Post #41 |
|
Dr Fox said in an interview with BBC Radio Bristol yesterday that he hoped to be back in government soon. "I would certainly like to get back to the front bench - how quickly is another matter," he said. "I think for the moment I will enjoy having a little bit of extra time. There are one or two projects that I want to get involved in on the charitable side and to devote some time to that." That was obviously before a multi-millionaire businessman revealed on last night's 10.30pm Newsnight that he had donated money at the request of Dr Fox, to a charity set up by Adam Werrity, which he now believes was "wasted"..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15532131 Edited by Mobson, Nov 1 2011, 03:10 PM.
|
![]() |
|
| madfor4 | Nov 1 2011, 07:06 PM Post #42 |
|
Whether Fox's relationship with Werrity is sexual or not I don't know but his complete lack of basic common sense, in all his dealings (Health and Defence) with this man, smacks of infatuation. |
![]() |
|
| rumbaba | Nov 1 2011, 07:14 PM Post #43 |
|
It all smacks of incompetence
|
![]() |
|
| madfor4 | Nov 1 2011, 09:33 PM Post #44 |
|
.........."to err is human, to really cock things up requires an ideology."......... SWARAN P SINGH |
![]() |
|
| becky sharp | Apr 4 2012, 12:35 PM Post #45 |
|
This is still rumbling on.....taken from The Guardian dated the 29th of March 2012 Adam Werritty was paid more than £70,000 by a company set up to support his jetset lifestyle following Liam Fox around the world, official accounts have shown for the first time. It comes as the City of London police confirmed they were continuing their investigation into allegations of fraud surrounding the former defence secretary's best man and former flatmate, who handed out business cards falsely describing him as one of Fox's official advisers. Annual accounts for Pargav Limited, show Werritty collected £73,850 in the year to 31 October last year. Most of the money came from high-profile Tory donors, some of whom had been directly petitioned for donations by Fox. Fox was forced to resign as secretary of state for defence last year after repeated revelations about his working relationship with Werritty, his close friend of 14 years who had no official role in government and had not been granted security clearance. More here http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/29/adam-werritty-liam-fox-pargav?newsfeed=true |
![]() |
|
| 1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous) | |
![]() Join the millions that use us for their forum communities. Create your own forum today. Learn More · Sign-up for Free |
|
| « Previous Topic · The Choice Is Yours · Next Topic » |








....apparently he resigned last week but he gave the letter to Oliver Letwin to deliver....

12:18 AM Jul 11