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There are two sides to every crown...; Cheap labour for One's day out.
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Hugh Mosby-Joaquin
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A sobering article, that knocks the glitter and bling of recent events somewhat...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/04/jubilee-pageant-unemployed
..and it's also being talked about on BBC news.

This is what we can expect from our current filthy fascist government in the future, and I have to say, I'm now disgusted with our dear filthy fascist monarch who might try winning hearts and minds with her bluddy bling-fest of river-boats, but hypocrisy will reign over her. Or will we excuse her in her divine ignorance?
<unionjack> <devi>;; <unionjack>
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Party Pooper Hugh M-J... <brickwall> ....better than making them work down the equivalent of the Siberian mines, dying of starvation .......Oh do let's become a Republic - then we can watch the top leaders, whoever the heck they will be, lead a life of luxury & advantage until that fails & oligarchs sneak in and filch all the wealth making utilities, just like in poor old Russia! But of course it won't be like that will it because unlike Russia we have a large black and asian community....

Think rather than Royal-bashing, you should be more concerned about the current visit by Putin to China ....who have both 'ganged' up against the majority of the rest of the world concerning the atrocities taking place in Syria...now that's really something to get steamed up about! <steam> Me? I'm off to the Mall now to do a bit of flag waving....whilst I still can!!! <unionjack>
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It sounds like shambolic Scouting-for-Jobseekers ..... the disorganisation is the depressing part. Those who were paid got £2.80 per hour - a bit of an insult ..... work is work. It illustrates that there are 'industries' now which don't or can't pay reasonably for a day's labour- in contrast with affluence elsewhere.

It would not be amiss for Charles, Phillip or one of them to echo Edward VIII and say "something must be done". They'd win some support for their role if they did.
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I'm with you on this HMJ......What work experience? Putting on boots and a vest doesn't make you a 'steward' (Just as well there wasn't a disaster or we might have seen how capable and well trained they were).

The well heeled took part and those at the bottom were just 'taken'.

It wasn't 'Queenies' fault but it shows that all the 'Jubilee' meant to some was a way to make a quick buck at the expense of others.
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How very cynical you are madfor4 especially as you are not even here are you? I am in the hub of things geographically it's true and am able to see the people that are literally swarming all over the West End for the past four days; they are here because they want to be and celebrations have spread not only across this country but much further afield - as for making a quick buck at the expense of others I do not know what you are referring to; there are no 'pop up' enterprises as the in past around the West End, and everyone is in an extremely amicable mood - no, I'm simply not with any of you on this subject and nor it seems are thousands and thousands of others!
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madfor4

................. especially as you are not even here are you?.........

No I'm not there and, for all its troubles, IMO France is a far nicer place to live.

I'm reminded of ancient Rome (under Nero) when the economy of the greatest empire that the world had ever seen was coming apart like an unraveling sweater.
It was during this crisis that the Captain of Shipping and Transportation hurried to consult with the first tribune. "The merchant fleet is in Egypt awaiting loading", he announced. "The ships can be loaded either with corn for the starving people or with the special sand used on the track for the chariot races and to cover the floor of the stadium. Which shall it be?"

"Are you mad?” screamed the tribune. “The situation here has gotten out of control. The emperor is a lunatic, the army is on the verge of mutiny and the people are dying of starvation. For the gods' sake, get the sand! We have to get their minds off their troubles!"
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Jun 5 2012, 12:38 PM
Party Pooper Hugh M-J...
Put this in your pipe andf smoke it.
I apologise for spoiling the party.
If this doesn't prick your conscience then you are indeed made of some souless piece of stone, and I nearly feel sorry for you.
Please find time between flag-waiving to read this blog, if you dare. Then come back and tell me if you would mind your children being treated like this. I await your response.


http://eddiegillard.wordpress.com/2012/06/03/queen-put-at-risk-by-workfare-provider/#comment-125
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Hugh Mosby-Joaquin
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I am in the hub of things

Slightly off-hub I accept, but did you peek under Blackfriars Bridge on saturday night to see the slave-labour security provided for her dear majesty? Particularly as they arrived from Bristol at 5 am and told to kip down in the rain before 'working' (for no money) a 16-hour shift? Did you have more than a bun in a paper bag given to you and told, "don't eat it now, it's your tomorrow's dinner".
Keep waiving the flag, Mobson, it might keep the unemployed away from your cosetted life.
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I did post the Guardian article on the 'Jubilee Celebrations' thread this morning but got no reaction. It has been reported that the event cost £12m: the rowing boat that the Queen wasn't even on cost £1m. It shames us as a nation that, while money is being thrown at the privileged, the poor still have to have their faces ground into the dirt. Even the most ardent monarchist should be disgusted by this treatment of these poor and vulnerable people.
Edited by rumbaba, Jun 5 2012, 08:58 PM.
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Caro

I don't believe all that article. There's no way people wouldn't be given access to toilets for 24 hours at such an event. Portaloos are toilets, or whatever was used. You think thousands of people were forbidden the use of toileting facilities of some kind? At such an event where an 'accident' would be shown all over television? It doesn't make sense. And how could they fit all those people under bridges too, without everyone noticing?

We don't have an aristocracy in NZ, but there are still apparently shocking examples of work practices here, with people being paid below the minimum wage, and others having wages that amount to the minimum wage over a year, but consist of huge working hours (dairy farm work) for part of the year, and may not last for the easier times. As for the people on ships who are in our waters but not subject to our laws - they are having to be given refugee status. And we are having to change our laws so this sort of work conditions come under NZ control.

But at any rate the Queen has no control over issues of wages and work conditions (and most people don't seem to want the monarchy to have that sort of power). I don't think you need to be callous and uncaring to enjoy some pageantry and not want that spoilt.

Our Rugby World Cup used lots of volunteers and they were pleased and proud to do that work. (No doubt not forced to though.) You don't have to be paid to enjoy work. And all this fuss must bring in lots of genuine work for people. I can't believe how much British people seem to underestimate the value of the monarchy to them from a tourist point of view.

Caro.
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I think you miss the point Caro. This is 'outsourcing' to private companies who are interested only in profit and are supported by the current government that wants to 'get rid of red tape' and makes things 'easier for employers' i.e. provide a pool of cheap labour with no rights. If we are going to throw all this money around for a few days of pageantry, it would be a shame if a few poor people didn't get some benefit from it - but that's not how it works. 'Money goes to money', as my mother used to say :(
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You think thousands of people were forbidden the use of toileting facilities of some kind?

No Caro, this refers to 80 or so people bussed in from 200 miles away who arrived at 3 am and were told to hang around under a Thames Bridge for 3 hours without proper consideration to their needs regarding food, clothing and shelter. That's pretty Immoral and actually illegal. After their 16-hour shift of 'security' work ( this, remember for Her Maj!) they were driven off to a campsite where there were soaking-wet tents provided for their accomodation, and they were given a bun in a paper bag and told to save it for lunch.
This was treatment from a 'security' company whose director has suddenly been shown to be very evasive and closed down contact. They are a failing company and were probably awarded the contract because they were cheaper than anybody else. And that was because they did not feel they needed to pay their slaves, so they did not.
This is Camoron's britain in a nutshell.
A comment from the mother of one of the slaves:

[also on FB ” via Sue Brock on her wall (hope you don’t mind Sue) “A mother of one of the Governments Jubilee steward slaves writes….]

My child is part of this farce up there, but is so desperate for a job they have stuck it out. They have been on the phone in tears, saying they are soaking wet, bleeding feet and sleeping in a wet muddy field with barely any facilities. I have said for gods sake come home but if they did it would be the end of the course and no SIA badge, I feel murderous, they are still there with one more night to do. Lets not forget that we as parents had to provide the tent and all the camping gear, not cheap”"


Even Ivan Denisovitch got to stay in a wooden hut with a stove and a bowl of fish-eye soup for tea. That's more than these poor miserable buggers got.
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The BBC have ignored this story, strangely enough. Is anyone covering this except the Guardian?
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The Beeb make scant mention on their website.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18330970
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This will be in preparation for the coe-lympic slave camp, I bet....

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/your_local_areas/9718258.THEYDON_BOIS__Concern_as_Olympic_campsite_organisers_apply_for_drinks_licence/
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Hugh Mosby-Joaquin
Jun 5 2012, 09:50 PM
This is Camoron's britain in a nutshell.


Exactly.

I thought Cameron's "Big Society" was all about getting people to work for nothing - so he must be very pleased with "Close Protection UK".
Edited by Schrodinger's Cat, Jun 5 2012, 10:36 PM.
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Yes ...... it comes about through the innocence-creating distance between the origin of the policy and the unfortunate outcome, so blame can be denied. This government is doing it in many ways. Cutting funding recklessly and giving others no choice but to treat people badly, or just allowing them to do so, then saying, "Nothing to do with us .... honest!" It is happening with the NHS, local government, education, and the BBC.

...... and they don't mind. They think life should be like that - hard, fearful, harsh, unfair, even cruel. They think it toughens people .... makes them more competetive and fight (each other) more ferociously; to the victor the spoils. They call it Liberty. It is a psychopathic fantasy but when people ask, "Just what is the mystery guiding philosophy of this Goverment?" because a sensible aim is hard to discern - almost unbelievably, it's exactly that.


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They think it's funny ....... laughing at Alastair Darling, a better man than all of them together.

....... and they are absolutely cynically confident they can come out with a smokescreen of wordy obfuscation to get through any interview.






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Hugh Mosby-Joaquin
Jun 5 2012, 06:24 PM
Keep waiving the flag, Mobson, it might keep the unemployed away from your cosetted life.
Through hard work and effort in business, my husband and I actually employ over fifty people, including students and apprentices - how many do you help Hugh?

My so called cosetted life, Hugh Mosby-Joaquin, is one that I worked bloody hard to achieve! Not 'coming from money' nor being blessed with a double-barrelled surname, did not preclude me from ensuring that I became very successful using the various talents I was blessed with....and passing on the study & work ethic to my two children who have become a teacher and marine biologist respectively....I also do my bit for charity, not just by dolling out cash. I do not want to live in a Republic, especially where people like you can arbitrarily slag off other people without really knowing anything about them...oh! and please don't fret yourself 'almost feeling sorry' for me, I've had a wonderful four days celebrating the Queen's Diamond Jubilee, along with friends and family and thousands of other people, and in truth the almost scathing words expressed in your posts in this thread make me feel almost sorry for you! <whistles>

Years ago, in the eighties probably, two ticket wardens came to our apartment in St James's about a disputed parking ticket; after we had concluded our business, they walked down the corridor and I heard one say to the other "Come the revolution, this lot will be turfed out!"....Well I'm still here - wonder where they are today.....
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Caro

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That's pretty Immoral and actually illegal.


This and Rumbaba's comments seem to me to be the point. This is big business under a right-wing government acting illegally. It happens everywhere, in places with and without aristocracy, and has nothing to do with the Queen except that this event was on her behalf. I am sure this sort of thing happens in France, or Germany, or Fiji, or Peru or, sadly, New Zealand. And I am not sure about those other places, but there is no aristocracy in NZ. Our government wants to bring/has brought? in this sort of thing, too, as well as 90-day 'trial' periods for employees, which no doubt isn't always abused, but sometimes equally undoubtedly is.

I don't employ anyone and am not specially uncaring (though not specially caring either) and my husband at least has been known to refer to me as the 'original trendy leftie'. I do rather wonder why that mother didn't just say "no job is worth that', and look after her for a few months till she gets a job. She sounded articulate and educated. Mind you, my son has had jobs that left a very great deal to be desired and we left him to made his own mind up about leaving, when perhaps we should have been more proactive. (Hasn't changed his very right-wing attitudes.)

Caro.
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On the Beeb 7am news " the companies responsible have apologised"; apparently it was all just a 'logistical'mix-up.
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Jun 5 2012, 11:58 PM
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Jun 5 2012, 06:24 PM
Keep waiving the flag, Mobson, it might keep the unemployed away from your cosetted life.
Through hard work and effort in business, my husband and I actually employ over fifty people, including students and apprentices - how many do you help Hugh?

My so called cosetted life, Hugh Mosby-Joaquin, is one that I worked bloody hard to achieve! Not 'coming from money' nor being blessed with a double-barrelled surname, did not preclude me from ensuring that I became very successful using the various talents I was blessed with....and passing on the study & work ethic to my two children who have become a teacher and marine biologist respectively....I also do my bit for charity, not just by dolling out cash. I do not want to live in a Republic, especially where people like you can arbitrarily slag off other people without really knowing anything about them...oh! and please don't fret yourself 'almost feeling sorry' for me, I've had a wonderful four days celebrating the Queen's Golden Jubilee, along with thousands of other people, and in truth the almost scathing words expressed in your posts in this thread make me feel almost sorry for you! <whistles>

Years ago, in the eighties probably, two ticket wardens came to our apartment in St James's about a disputed parking ticket; after we had concluded our business, they walked down the corridor and I heard one say to the other "Come the revolution, this lot will be turfed out!"....Well I'm still here - wonder where they are today.....
Take your rose-tinted specs off Mobson, and read that account I posted up regarding the slave labour that was provided by a failing company, under the auspices of Tory baroness steadman-scott, such that you and Sir Elton could have a champers-ridden four days. It does rather knock the gold leaf of proceedings somewhat. But you will not read it, will you? You will happily stay in blissfull denial. That's why I feel sorry for you; for not being able to face up to reality in Camoron's Britain.
We (well not you) will see this tactic being used in the bluddy coe-lympics. It will be underpinned by slave labour. If you can live with this you are one sick person.
By the way, you and I can both slag off people under a monarchy equally well as under a republic, so do not waste your time with that old straw-man argument. (And no, I do not want Tony Blair as president, as all you rampant royalists seem to assume.)

Incidentally, I have employed myself for 36 years, do not 'come from money' and do not really have a double-barrelled surname.
I trust the two traffic wardens were suitably obsequious to your goodself, and knuckled their foreheads in deference to one so great.

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Jun 6 2012, 06:17 AM
On the Beeb 7am news " the companies responsible have apologised"; apparently it was all just a 'logistical'mix-up.
It was a logistics mix-up because the fly-by-night company were hoping that the slaves could sleep on the coach, thus saving themselves the problem of accomodation for them. However, they arrived too early, and the coach company refused to allow this, so the slaves were left in the lurch, sheltering under London Bridge. This was the start of three glorious days for the slaves, who had soggy tents to stay in on a campsight up the M11 for the duration.
This is not only immoral, it's actually illegal, but I doubt if the company will be prosecuted. That's CPUK, incidentally, run by one Molly or Mary Prince. A total failure of a company that keeps closing down and reopening after declaring insolvency. They get contracts because they are cheap. You can see why....
...they are slave-masters.
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I was being ironic, HMJ............

I remember being told (by someone who was there) that, post "Big Bang", there were great cheers in the London Stock Exchange when increases in unemployment figures were announced because it meant more 'loadsamoney' could be made.

We tend to remember all the bad (1970s) about Trade Unions but forget what things would be like without them.
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Caro

Of course it takes some of the gilding off, Hugh, and it is a shame there doesn't seem to be anything that can be done about those companies that close up shop and reopen immediately under another name. But that doesn't stop the event being wonderful to look at and enjoy. I'm afraid nor does it alter the fact that that sort of thing can happen under most governments, right or left wing. You can close them down, you can charge them with offences, you can even jail them, but they will have arranged their affairs to ensure they or someone close to them can continue. It does seem odd if this company has this reputation that they would have been used, though.

Can't have low inflation and low unemployment apparently, and governments (well ours anyway) choose the former.

On the subject of toilets, btw, there are people in Christchurch who have not had a toilet since the earthquake in September 2010. They use portaloos down the road. We saw one on television tonight, trudging through snow to get to it. She said it was no big deal - lots of people were worse off than she was. It would be a very big deal to me, I can tell you!

Caro.
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It's a concern that fly-by-night operators are regarded as serious 'contractors' for this kind of iffy work, as with the other (A4e??) company. Times that with the muddling-through spirit and likely Carry On film attitude and people end up wet, cold, hungry and at the end of the Central Line in deepest Essex trying to put a tent up at 2 o'clock in the morning for no pay, in return for a module of a GNVQ in some aspect of event control.

Somebody just wasn't caring about these young people.

That's after the fiasco at passport control at Heathrow, due to cutting 'unnecessary' staff. Spelling trouble come the Olympics????
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Of course it takes some of the gilding off, Hugh, and it is a shame there doesn't seem to be anything that can be done about those companies that close up shop and reopen immediately under another name.

That is all true, Caro, but the underlying point is that Camoron's government is giving powers to these companies that they should not have. This is a licence for them to print money by using slave labour. It would be different if these 'security stewards' were actually being paid, but they were got there by coercion, on coaches in the dead of night.
I've done some crummy jobs in my time where I've been away from home on a building site shovelling sh!t in the pouring rain, but at least I got well paid and accomodation and toilets (of sorts!) were provided.
When I once had to shift 12 tons of sandstone blocks from one cellar to another [for a museum in Malta] and then the next day move them back again, I reasoned to myself that I was probably the best-paid convict that ever was!
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That's given me an idea for a thread, Hugh ~ "The worst job I ever had" I'll put it on QQ as 'What's the worst job you ever had?'
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Caro

Yes, all that's right, Hugh, and you can blame the government for its incompetence or deliberate negligence but that's not a reason others need to feel they should boycott an event. You might as well say vegetarians shouldn't go to weddings because there will be meat as a celebration. Or no one should go to a restaurant because they might be using chocolate with palm oil. People are entitled to enjoy occasions without being expected to feel guilty about it.

It gets very difficult. We have been refusing to buy tinned fish from a company because they are in dispute with their workers and not paying them well. But then we learn they are one company who doesn't get their fish from foreign-owned (and VERY badly behaved employers) but only from NZ fishing fleets. So perhaps a company paying NZers not as much as they should is better than a Korean-owned company whose staff are treated worse than slaves. I'm not prepared to give up tinned sardines and salmon.

Caro.
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My feeling about the Jubilee is that it struck the wrong note for the person and the times. There seemed a lot of forced jollity when calmer appreciation might have been more appropriate ..... and that we are living in very worrying times, and it is being used to put a masking and distracting veneer on great anxieties. The matter of the unpaid disregarded event stewards is a glimpse of these.
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'Bread and circuses', Caissier (without the bread).
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Word on the street Cassier was that people were happy to join in this special event - one black woman said to me that it brought people together and ok they would go their separate ways after it was over but it was something to celebrate in these difficult times.....others views have been well documented via the media
Edited by Mobson, Jun 6 2012, 10:24 AM.
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People are entitled to enjoy occasions without being expected to feel guilty about it.

True, Caro, but they ought to know the truth about it.
I saw two sides to this, which is why I am so annoyed about it. One one side, (as I have mentioned) a good old friend of mine was commissioned to make the gilded nose-cone for her Maj's boat, and incidentally, was invited to the slap-up guild-member's feast at Westminster Hall. Well, good luck to him, as he is avery skilled crasftsman. But at the same time I discover that slave labour was being used to service some of the shebang. These two fact sit uneasy in my conscience. Was it Edward V who, on his jubilee, gave a right royal meal to 4,000 London vagrants for free? Compare that to today....what a paradox!
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I hope they sort out the transport arrangements ahead of the Olympics. I hear there was near chaos with people trying to get tubes and trains.
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There is a sense of uncertainty about ..... imo ..... and the Queen, while she has done her job well, cannot keep going as in the past .... so there is an underlying passing of the baton slowly happening, and how will that turn out.

I think, of them all, Harry would make the best top royal for the future.
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....the show must go on and right now the helicopters are overhead - Queenie's hosting the Commonwealth leaders at a formal Reception at Buck House....
Edited by Mobson, Jun 8 2012, 12:21 PM.
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Jun 6 2012, 10:33 AM
I think, of them all, Harry would make the best top royal for the future.
It's a pity about his lineage though <wink>
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Jun 6 2012, 06:17 AM
" the companies responsible have apologised";
Only because they were named and shamed .... <angry>
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rumbaba
Jun 6 2012, 10:55 AM
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Jun 6 2012, 10:33 AM
I think, of them all, Harry would make the best top royal for the future.
It's a pity about his lineage though <wink>
I hate that that is dragged up from time to time without any proof.. ..the poor lad

I am a big fan of Harry and William,they both seem very down to earth,likeable men.
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In response to numerous comments, the BBC are broadcasting the following warning.......

http://imgur.com/jDCKP
Edited by dai Cottomy, Jun 6 2012, 01:35 PM.
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<ok> <laugh> Dai
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Jun 6 2012, 10:55 AM
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Jun 6 2012, 10:33 AM
I think, of them all, Harry would make the best top royal for the future.
It's a pity about his lineage though <wink>
I hate that that is dragged up from time to time without any proof.. ..the poor lad

I am a big fan of Harry and William,they both seem very down to earth,likeable men.
<ok> me too! <wink>
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Jun 6 2012, 10:55 AM
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Jun 6 2012, 10:33 AM
I think, of them all, Harry would make the best top royal for the future.
It's a pity about his lineage though <wink>
Tut-Tut ....... how very scurrilous! Just because he has the famous Spencer barnet colour!

I think we do well with a female monarch, a national mother-figure, who generally, beneficently, encourages attitudes of kindness and moderation - probably sounds eccentric and WHish but I think it's true. I think William has some first-born diffidence and Harry is more outgoing and at ease. He was saying the other day that he is very keen to have children; came over as a very good bloke. There will be a lot of trouble for trhe monarchy with Charles - I think - knives will be out. I think, On balance, we are better off without some unfortunate President or other, so this does matter. I'm thinking of Juan-Carlos, who's done a good job in Spain, to my vague and wooly memory.
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Jun 6 2012, 12:29 PM
In response to numerous comments, the BBC are broadcasting the following warning.......

http://imgur.com/jDCKP
<erm> <ok> ..... poor old Beeb .....

Fun to knock it but terrible if we lose it ..... it can be very self-destructive these days. The recent documentary about the history of Television Centre felt like an obituary.
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Right, chaps....we can all relax ....a Downing Street spokesperson has called the controversy a "one-off" and welcomed the apology from the company..... <whistles>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18338724
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Hugh Mosby-Joaquin
Jun 5 2012, 12:11 PM
This is what we can expect from our current filthy fascist government in the future, and I have to say, I'm now disgusted with our dear filthy fascist monarch who might try winning hearts and minds with her bluddy bling-fest of river-boats, but hypocrisy will reign over her. Or will we excuse her in her divine ignorance?
That's right old chap - let it all out, don't hold back (pass the pills nurse)
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True, Caro, but they ought to know the truth about it.


There's a difference between giving people the truth and condemning them for still enjoying something when they know the truth, Hugh. I know lots of bad things happen in the world which makes me feel I should perhaps not be using products or enjoying celebrations, but I still generally do. I can't, for instance, see many (any?) good reasons for eating animals, but I still do and still will because I like the taste. It's not a very ethical stance, but I can't be ethical about this. Anyway you just get in a muddle when you try to everything right - if you stop doing one thing, you have to start doing another, and sometimes that has elements that are no better. Blissful ignorance has something to recommend itself!

I see one of our top online stories today is about two Fijian workers who were paid $40 a week working seven days caring for children 24 hours a day and doing housework, and not allowed their passports. They were brought into the country illegally which always makes things difficult for workers, who usually don't want to be sent home. Their employer, a businesswoman, is up on 12 charges. Didn't say what her nationality was, but very frequently people paying low wages tend to be Asian-born (by which I mean Korean, Philipino. or on occasions Indian or Chinese). This one sounds perhaps more likely to be NZ-born.

Caro.
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Hooray! ..... even more opportunities for the unemployed ....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jun/12/jobseekers-work-unpaid-lose-benefits


More jobseekers told to do unpaid work or face possible loss of benefits
Mandatory work activity requires jobseekers to work unpaid for up to 30 hours a week or risk losing their benefits

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Imho, it is nice to see that someone has the cojones to get the benefit scroungers to put a bit back into society. When I hear of "tales of woe" and being dumped in the middle of London at 3am with no toilet facilities etc, etc., my mind goes back to WW2 when civilians and the military went through far, far worse on a regular basis.
I'm with you Mobsy, a bit of discomfort never hurt anyone.

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
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Jun 13 2012, 01:22 PM

I'm with you Mobsy, a bit of discomfort never hurt anyone.

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<ok> <laugh> ....."if we shout loud enough he she might hear us in hospital," Northampton" (continuing her Jubilee tour today)....quoting the words of her son at the Jubilee Concert!!! <unionjack>
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Jun 13 2012, 01:22 PM
Imho, it is nice to see that someone has the cojones to get the benefit scroungers to put a bit back into society. When I hear of "tales of woe" and being dumped in the middle of London at 3am with no toilet facilities etc, etc., my mind goes back to WW2 when civilians and the military went through far, far worse on a regular basis.
I'm with you Mobsy, a bit of discomfort never hurt anyone.

Can you be so bold as to expand your definition of "A benefit Scrounger"?
I wish to know whether it includes myself, you see.
You tell me what you think the definition is in your mind, and I'll tell you whether I feel I fit into that category. OK?
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Imho, it is nice to see that someone has the cojones to get the benefit scroungers to put a bit back into society. When I hear of "tales of woe" and being dumped in the middle of London at 3am with no toilet facilities etc, etc., my mind goes back to WW2 when civilians and the military went through far, far worse on a regular basis.
I'm with you Mobsy, a bit of discomfort never hurt anyone.

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
I agree! Let's go the whole hog and bomb the homes of these 'scroungers'; they'll then consider themselves lucky to sleep under a bridge.
After all, WW2 was a wonderful, character building experience and if those ungrateful youngsters (who won't take any of the millions of jobs on offer) could only have had Vera Lynn on their earphones, instead of this modern trash, they'd have understood how vital their unpaid effort was to the bank balance of their betters.
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Poverty, calculated as a percentage of the median income, is coming down because the median is coming down. People, on average are getting poorer, so the people at the very bottom of the heap are becoming relatively 'better off '. However, the gap between the very poor and the very rich is widening.
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Jun 13 2012, 01:22 PM
Imho, it is nice to see that someone has the cojones to get the benefit scroungers to put a bit back into society. When I hear of "tales of woe" and being dumped in the middle of London at 3am with no toilet facilities etc, etc., my mind goes back to WW2 when civilians and the military went through far, far worse on a regular basis.
I'm with you Mobsy, a bit of discomfort never hurt anyone.

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN AND HER FASCIST REGIME!
I agree! Let's go the whole hog and bomb the homes of these 'scroungers'; they'll then consider themselves lucky to sleep under a bridge.
After all, WW2 was a wonderful, character building experience and if those ungrateful youngsters (who won't take any of the millions of jobs on offer) could only have had Vera Lynn on their earphones, instead of this modern trash, they'd have understood how vital their unpaid effort was to the bank balance of their betters.
I've a feeling the Fat NazTi Ian duncan Smith <devi>;; likes nothing nore than going around at night through the dark streets of London-town looking for vagrants to give a jolly-good kicking; with SS security staff to protect him, of course...
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I've been relatively out of touch for a few days due to getting to grips with a new computer. However, I am now feeling a little more confident in the workings of Windows 7.

HMJ, Mad4, I wonder how many of the dear folk, who were so hard done by, have ever done a decent day's work? Please don,t come up with the old chestnut that the jobs are not there, as a well respected senior Tory once said, (in effect) " Get off your arses and on your bikes". Even I, at 81, could find work if I needed to.
As I said before a little hardship never hurt anyone and although the slur was written by someone who is probably too young to have experienced it, those of us who did live and survive through WW2, appreciate what REAL hardship is. I am neither a Nazi nor a member of the BNP but for cry sake, do these people live such a fragile life on their benefit payments that being out on a cool night with a few raindrops make their whole being a life threatening experience? I retract on nothing that I have previously written on this subject.
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.........................Please don,t come up with the old chestnut that the jobs are not there, as a well respected senior Tory once said, (in effect) " Get off your arses and on your bikes"..........................

Well, so much for Government figures...1.6M unemployed; 465K vacancies <brickwall>



...........Even I, at 81, could find work if I needed to..............

Of course you could; Delivering Second Class Post, perhaps? <wink>
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.........................Please don,t come up with the old chestnut that the jobs are not there, as a well respected senior Tory once said, (in effect) " Get off your arses and on your bikes"..........................

Well, so much for Government figures...1.6M unemployed; 465K vacancies <brickwall>



...........Even I, at 81, could find work if I needed to..............

Of course you could; Delivering Second Class Post, perhaps? <wink>

Of course you could; Delivering Second Class Post, perhaps?
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HMJ, Mad4, I wonder how many of the dear folk, who were so hard done by, have ever done a decent day's work? Please don,t come up with the old chestnut that the jobs are not there, as a well respected senior Tory once said, (in effect) " Get off your arses and on your bikes". Even I, at 81, could find work if I needed to.
As I said before a little hardship never hurt anyone and although the slur was written by someone who is probably too young to have experienced it, those of us who did live and survive through WW2, appreciate what REAL hardship is. I am neither a Nazi nor a member of the BNP but for cry sake, do these people live such a fragile life on their benefit payments that being out on a cool night with a few raindrops make their whole being a life threatening experience? I retract on nothing that I have previously written on this subject.


There's a job for you Norm, operating the gas-cocks on the chambers for when the unemployed are herded in.
You are deluded. Use your loaf. Try opening your eyes and turn up the volume of your thinking-trumpet to 'max'.
At times of high employment and productivity, the total amount of unemployed falls, because there are jobs, and the majority want one. They who are left are shown up as the feckless and workshy, but they do not amount to much. The filthy government of Toffs, the cancer we are lumbered with, does not create a growing economy; Therefore jobs are not being created. Therefore there aren't many. With a rising population (not my fault, I've no kids; how many have you spawned, Norman?) You might, with use of your engineer's slide rule, be able to see the true imbalance and not be beguiled into believing tthe twaddle this scum-government is feeding you. Notice thet will do anything to reduce the country to slave labour to save 2 billion quid at the bottom of society, but will not touch the money leached out yearly by offshore accounts (about 60 billion quid a year), and are loathe to twiddle with pensions and pensioners' rights because Camoron and his NaZtis haven't quite lost the crusty-grey vote. And neither will they with supporters like yourself. But you'll learn soon enough where society is going with this lot.....maybe you're happy with that. So live in denial if it's cosy there.
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I didn't have you down as a Communist Agitator HMJ. WE learn something new everyday.
These poor put-upon people that you champion who were dumped in the middle of the night under a bridge over the River Thames In London, on a rainy night in June, are these the same folk who revel in the mud,shit and mire in Reading, the Isle of Wight and Glastonbury?

Sorry mate, I have far better causes upon which my sympathy falls
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