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| caissier | Mar 29 2013, 08:46 PM Post #1 |
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From April 1 six kinds of benefit cuts are being made to support for the disabled ........ http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/03/where-do-disabled-people-fit-george-osbornes-aspiration-nation Recently Atos declared a one-armed blind man with heart problems in a wheel chair fit for work. |
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| Hugh Mosby-Joaquin | Mar 29 2013, 09:07 PM Post #2 |
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I really do believe that the loathsome DungCan Sniff is either syphiliticaly mad, or a re-incarnation of Joseph Goebells. The 'man', if I may be so generous to describe him thus, deserves a very painfull death. Nobody with even a minimal streak of humanity could inflict such suffering on so many disabled people for the benefit of the filthy rich. I have never hated anybody anybody as much as I hate him. The amalgamation of battery acid and his eyeballs come to mind..... |
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| madfor4 | Mar 29 2013, 09:07 PM Post #3 |
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C'mon cass, the abolition of the 50% tax bracket has to be paid for.... |
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| caissier | Mar 29 2013, 10:20 PM Post #4 |
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I was forgetting ...
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| madfor4 | Mar 30 2013, 07:51 AM Post #5 |
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Heard this morning that IDS says he's not cutting benefits; he's "Managing the increase".... George Orwell's 1984 would have loved that example of 'Doublethink' ( To be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it).... |
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| Hugh Mosby-Joaquin | Mar 30 2013, 10:43 AM Post #6 |
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And Bonaparte did not retreat, he "advanced to the rear". |
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| caissier | Mar 30 2013, 12:03 PM Post #7 |
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What it's about ..... "On BBC news, Iain Duncan Smith, confronted with irrefutable cases of hardship, said: "It's about trying to get as many people as possible out of the welfare trap and into lives they can control themselves." As the economist JK Galbraith observed: "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." (Polly) |
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| Hugh Mosby-Joaquin | Mar 31 2013, 01:41 PM Post #8 |
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Very well put, from both yourself and JKG. Both of you make sound sense; unlike DungCan Sniff, who merely voices twaddle. "It's about trying to get as many people as possible out of the welfare trap and into lives they can control themselves." Is that what the slave-owners said to the African co-erced sugar-cane cutters in 19th century Jamaica? Since when have slaves been able to control their own lives? The 'welfare trap' is a figment of this odious fascist toe-rag's imagination, invented a an aunt Sally, to give the festering filthy coward something for his henchmen to hit. The Syphilitic f*ckwit might just have recited a selection of Edward's Lear's nonsense poetry; it would have represented a more intelligent form of thinking. I pray I live long enough, and he short enough, for me to dance on his grave. That is my goal in life now. |
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| Caro | Apr 1 2013, 12:16 AM Post #9 |
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It's not just an idea of Mr Duncan Smith's though. We have the same attitudes from our government here. Accident Compensation is expected to save money by forcing unfit people back to work, or telling people their injury from a skiing accident is really the result of wear and tear from age. (This is being gradually changed with too many people objecting.) Solo mums are expected to get back to work when they child turns one if they have another one over 5. This is apparently to discourage wicked beneficiary mothers from having a second child while receiving a benefit, but will actually have the effect of more people cluttering up Work and Income offices and job interviews, and meaning children are yet more disadvantaged. What is so wrong with mothers bringing up their children instead of them having to be farmed out to others? (Though my rather right-wing son would say they don't bring them up, they leave them to bring themselves up, and why should he and his wife pay for this? To be fair to them they also think it is not necessary that they should get maternity leave for their little boy. "if you can't afford to have children you shouldn't have them". Talk about ideal world scenarios.) |
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| madfor4 | Apr 1 2013, 09:18 AM Post #10 |
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.......It's not just an idea of Mr Duncan Smith's though....... Very true; he's just parroting the mantra of the selfish well-off. We have a society, in the UK, where the gap between the 'top' and the 'bottom' is an immense chasm. Benefits for both the unemployed and the 'working poor' are being cut whist the salaries/bonuses/tax breaks of those at the top are increasing unchecked... We are going back to the values of the middle ages....New ways to 'tax' the poor are being invented. Peasants were charged for the privilege of gathering firewood (when there was no alternative for heating) now a 'bedroom tax' is levied (when there are no smaller homes available) As an atheist I don't believe in a hell; however, after this government's priorities, I almost hope I'm wrong... |
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| caissier | Apr 1 2013, 09:33 AM Post #11 |
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It might be that Enlightenment values will turn out to be an aberrant blip in human history. I'm starting to think David Icke might be right about reptilians, looking at 'Mr' Michael Gove. http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57861000/jpg/_57861981_gove.jpg Edited by caissier, Apr 1 2013, 09:37 AM.
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| madfor4 | Apr 1 2013, 10:16 AM Post #12 |
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He looks like the child put at the back of the classroom when the inspector visits.... |
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| madfor4 | Apr 1 2013, 03:42 PM Post #13 |
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From the 'Telegraph'.... * Iain Duncan Smith, the Work and Pensions Secretary, has claimed he would be able to live on £7.57 a day, or £53 a week. This would mean a 97% reduction in his current income, which is £1,581.02 a week or £225 a day after tax. On this morning's Today Programme David Bennett, a market trader, said that after his housing benefit had been cut, he lives on £53 per week. The next interviewee was Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith, who was defending the changes. The interviewer then asked him if he could could live on this amount. He replied: "If I had to, I would." (my comment...a bit like closing one's eyes for a few seconds and claiming to be able to live as a blind person) There is a petition calling on Iain Duncan Smith to live on this budget for at least one year. This would help realise the conservative party`s current mantra that "We are all in this together". * I'm not sure whether this should be posted on the "April Fools" thread... . |
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| caissier | Apr 1 2013, 04:35 PM Post #14 |
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Spot on ....... they haven't a clue what life is like for other people. |
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| rumbaba | Apr 1 2013, 04:38 PM Post #15 |
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It's so sad to see what is happening to us as a country, as a 'society'. Softened up by Mrs T in the 80s and now finished off by the Bullingdon boys, with the help of people like Gove and IDS (who are probably equally despised by the tory toffs but they have their uses) |
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| Caro | Apr 2 2013, 06:11 AM Post #16 |
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Years ago our health minister (later our PM) Jenny Shipley said she would live on a benefit for a month (or perhaps just a week). It went well for a day, then she had to go into hospital, so she postponed her benefit month! Or cancelled it. Just like a beneficiary could, of course. NZ's never really recovered from that round of benefit cuts. It allowed other wages to come down commensurate with it, and meant half the population was on a struggling treadmill. Now the same government is complaining that we are a low-wage economy and have to lift our game. (Ie find some non-essential way to get exports like Singapore rather than selling meat for people to eat and wool for their shelter and milk for their health.) |
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| madfor4 | Apr 2 2013, 07:17 AM Post #17 |
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Matthew Parris (when MP for West Derbyshire) took part in a World In Action documentary during 1984 requiring him to live in Newcastle for a week on £26.80, the then state social security payment set for a single adult by the government he supported as a Conservative. The experiment came to an embarrassing end when he ran out of money for the electricity meter............. |
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| caissier | Apr 2 2013, 08:46 AM Post #18 |
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Jeremy Thorpe did something similar once. He lived in a very typical looking terraced (!) house for a fortnight and at the end wondered how people could live in such appalling places ...... George Orwell went 'on the tramp' for a time but knew he could always pop back to the family home in Godalming or wherever at week-ends. It's ok for the advantaged to slum it for a bit - to play at being poor - but it's a bit different if you've been ground down by conditions your whole life and know that "this is it .... ". People's identity isn't going to be transformed by their pittance support being reduced to near-starvation levels. Anxiety is more likely to further reduce their spirit to survive. One of the biggest causes of children not thriving is insecurity in early years.There was a remark over-heard at a Tory Party conference a year or two ago .... "They'll work when they're hungry ..... ". Charming ..... (leaving aside the question of doing what exactly). |
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| Caro | Apr 2 2013, 09:32 AM Post #19 |
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Matthew Parris often reports on National Radio here about what is happening in Britain, and I like his comments a lot. He always sounds very sensible and interesting and not at all right-wing. Not to mention quite fun. Students often live in sub-standard accommodation here - apart from the fact that it tends (or tended) to be the "thing" to do, it quite suits many young men's style of living, and they do have both the backing of parents somewhere usually if absolutely needed, and the knowledge that it's not forever for them. (Having said that, my son got very thin trying to make ends meet at university on a student loan. Means he can really appreciate good food and surroundings now, perhaps. But I feel we could have been a bit more generous to him.) |
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| caissier | Apr 2 2013, 09:37 AM Post #20 |
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Hmmm, we know .... ..... don't be taken in by our Matthew. He's a stealthy operator.
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| caissier | Apr 2 2013, 09:48 AM Post #21 |
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"George Osborne: we will make work pay" What on earth does that mean? All work 'pays', doesn't it? ..... unless it is slavery. A sound-bite for effect. |
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| rumbaba | Apr 2 2013, 10:06 AM Post #22 |
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It doesn't pay enough in a lot of cases, which is why so many hard working people are claiming benefit. |
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| caissier | Apr 2 2013, 10:28 AM Post #23 |
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Benefits must have a 'redistribution of wealth' function, keeping things going and the show on the road .... which is in the interests of all. |
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| rumbaba | Apr 2 2013, 11:10 AM Post #24 |
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I agree Caiss, but jobs are being lost in the public sector and the jobs that are being created in the private sector are often not paying a living wage, which is creating an illusion of a thriving private sector, which is supposed to provide the jobs for the future. |
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| caissier | Apr 2 2013, 11:28 PM Post #25 |
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...... and there are all the stories about people brutally thrown off the unemployed lists, allowing them to crow that unemployment is falling while there is stagnation. |
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I was forgetting ...
did something similar once. He lived in a very typical looking terraced (!) house for a fortnight and at the end wondered how people could live in such appalling places ...... George Orwell went 'on the tramp' for a time but knew he could always pop back to the family home in Godalming or wherever at week-ends. It's ok for the advantaged to slum it for a bit - to play at being poor - but it's a bit different if you've been ground down by conditions your whole life and know that "this is it .... ". People's identity isn't going to be transformed by their pittance support being reduced to near-starvation levels. Anxiety is more likely to further reduce their spirit to survive. One of the biggest causes of children not thriving is insecurity in early years.
..... don't be taken in by our Matthew. He's a stealthy operator.
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