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| caissier | Aug 1 2013, 07:27 AM Post #1 |
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Just listening to John Humphrys harumping and ranting on Today in a very near-tabloid way, echoing much of the Daily Mail's headlines. He was saying they were having trouble getting people on to discuss Daniel's death. I'm not surprised. Humphrys was bringing it around to asking why the school had not taken action to save him. |
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| rumbaba | Aug 1 2013, 07:45 AM Post #2 |
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It's tragic, I am appalled when I read these things - I just don't understand. |
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| Norm Deplume | Aug 1 2013, 03:11 PM Post #3 |
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When the Judge sentences the mother and stepfather of this poor child, the sentence should be to slowly but painfully, torture them both to death. If they need someone to carry it out, ...I'm available.
Edited by Norm Deplume, Aug 1 2013, 03:12 PM.
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| Mobson | Aug 1 2013, 03:22 PM Post #4 |
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This is such a heartbreaking and horrendous thing to happen to a poor little inoffensive mite...such cruelty warrants the death penalty...hopefully they'll be given hell in prison since we don't have one... |
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| becky sharp | Aug 1 2013, 09:30 PM Post #5 |
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Surely things must change after another heartbreaking story like this. That poor little boy...at least he is at peace now. |
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| caissier | Aug 2 2013, 11:45 AM Post #6 |
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10214388/Daniel-Pelka-Mother-put-love-of-drugs-before-son.html http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/02/daniel-pelka-mother-stepfather-jailed-life ![]() Magdelena Luczak and Mariusz Krezolek Edited by caissier, Aug 2 2013, 11:55 AM.
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| Mobson | Aug 2 2013, 11:54 AM Post #7 |
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If I had my way, they would both be shipped back to Poland to serve their life sentences, where I'm sure they would be treated far worse than they will here as guests of Her Majesty's Prison service...I also hope their diet from now on contains masses of salt... I'm also having tremendous difficulty with this paragraph from your link caiss ..."During the pair's nine-week trial at Birmingham crown court, it emerged that professionals – including health workers and police – had had numerous contacts with the family. Teachers at his school, Little Health primary, had seen him scavenging for food and noticed injuries to his face but no effective action was taken to protect him.".... Yet again the same questions are asked - how could this happen? and makes it very difficult to believe what Clegg says here "So many teachers and people in the NHS and social work that I know have only the best interests of children at heart. It's not a lack of motive." ... THEN WHY IS IT STILL HAPPENING? Edited by Mobson, Aug 2 2013, 11:59 AM.
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| caissier | Aug 2 2013, 01:29 PM Post #8 |
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"The simple truth is that although there are encouraging signs of a new realism, we remain far too optimistic about the capacity and willingness of negligent and neglectful parents to improve the care of their children. And too much of an emphasis in social work education is sometimes given to building relationships with parents and empathising with their own challenges. So neglectful parents are sometimes seen as victims themselves because of their own poverty and disadvantage. In those circumstances it is all too easy for social workers to be manipulated. We have to do more to ensure that social worker compassion is accompanied by social worker scepticism. In the words of Lord Laming in his second report following the murder of Victoria Climbié, we need social workers who are "prepared for the realities of working with children and families who may have complex needs, and parents who, in some cases, may be intentionally deceptive or manipulative". That means not accepting parental assurances and explanations of injury and neglect without scrutinising them. That's the challenge posed by this latest tragedy. We cannot fail to meet it." Martin Narey - from http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/01/daniel-pelka-sceptical-social-services Mobs .... I do think it is hard for many people, even care professionals, to think themselves into the minds of perpetrators who do things so beyond unthinkable, some of whom are very adept at deceiving health, care and educational workers. I have a few stories from youth work and teaching I used to do. A strange thing in this case is that Daniel had a sibling who was not so ill-treated ..... maybe a girl. It reads as though he became a kind of sadism punch-bag for those who eventually killed him and they switched off regarding him as a person and child requiring looking after. His mother seems unstable and not in full control of her mind ...... cunning enough though to conceal what was really happening to him. Anyway, plenty of time now to investigate her and the step-father's minds . Edited by caissier, Aug 2 2013, 01:44 PM.
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| becky sharp | Aug 3 2013, 08:31 AM Post #9 |
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"Daniel Pelka might have been saved by more sceptical social services" "Some parents will try to manipulate social workers. Being alert to that fact will do more for at-risk children than hollow resignations" Surely social workers are alert to the fact that some of the parents they come across will be manipulative ones ...I would have thought it was in their training. This is,I would have thought, a field of work where things just can't be taken at face value. we need social workers who are "prepared for the realities of working with children and families who may have complex needs, and parents who, in some cases, may be intentionally deceptive or manipulative". Those are the words of Lord Laming from 10 years ago... not the other day! |
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| tafkaj | Aug 3 2013, 11:28 AM Post #10 |
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I've found this case so distressing that, since I learned the details, I've not been able to hear/see/read any more about it, and that's made me feel guilty! I'm not ignoring the issue or metaphorically sticking my fingers in my ears and going "la la la la," but I found that as I started to read The Times' account, for example, I just had an overwhelming feeling of disbelief that people could actually do what those people did - and for a MOTHER to do it to her own child beggars belief. Sorry - must stop now as I can feel those helpless feelings returning. |
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| Norm Deplume | Aug 3 2013, 03:23 PM Post #11 |
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A policeman said on one of the tv reality shows that he can tell by body language whether a felon is telling lies or is trying to 'get one over' on him,. Surely it would not be too difficult for Social Workers and others in authority to learn this art. |
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| Mobson | Aug 3 2013, 04:05 PM Post #12 |
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As a grandmother, I know if my own daughter did such a horrendous thing, I would be tempted to kill her, for who is fit to live being that cruel; watching that poor boy's Polish father this morning say he was 'pleased with the verdict of 30 years', even taking into account he's foreign, his English was good enough...where hell was he when all this horror was going on...sometimes to say you care is not enough, you have to be there for the ones you love... Reading, but desperately trying not to, further details showing how skeletal this little boy's frame actually was; described as being like a victim from a concentration camp - surely someone must have noticed how frail he was, and yes I read that this odious couple said he suffered from a rare deficiency but why didn't someone check or ask to see medical records - someone saw him stealing food from bins for god's sake... And on that point, a lawyer was on BBC breakfast this morning saying he represents a group that are pressing for a change in the law, something about making it possible to prosecute someone who doesn't notify the appropriate authority if they suspect child abuse...not sure of exact details, nor do I think was he!...he said there is a petition to sign on Change.com though.... Edited by Mobson, Aug 3 2013, 04:10 PM.
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