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Topic Started: Aug 29 2013, 09:52 PM (1,816 Views)
rumbaba
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Government loses vote
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Caro

I think that will be a popular decision with the British people. It's not one I necessarily support, despite being generally pacifically inclined. I didn't see the pictures of the chemical attack (don't watch the news much and prefer not to see such things anyway) but there comes a time when you can't just say, "It's none of my business." I read an autobiography not long ago about a girl from the Karenne people of Burma in refugee camps, and they were just hanging out for help from the international community and wondering why no one seemed to care about their plight.

Russia really has some responsibility in this and I think should be putting more pressure on the government of Syria. I know it is a naive proposition but I think the leaders of these countries waging war on their own citizens, using torture and god only knows what methods of fear and terror, should be targetted, rather than soldiers being on the front line, or civilians getting caught up. There'd have been a lot less angst and bloodshed if we had gathered up Saddam Hussein quickly. This sort of idea sends shudders up leaders though. (But if they thought they would be personally targetted they might pull their socks up a bit. Or they might find themselves on the receiving end of terrorist governments, of course.) It's such a problem. People condemning the EU need to remember it has been one of the reasons for relative calm in Europe over the last decades.

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It's not a question of saying "It's none of my business", Caro - it's a question of realizing - at long last! - that the outcome of military intervention is rarely, if ever, that which is desired and that it usually makes thing worse than they already are.

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tafkaj

I think Parliament has been used properly in this case and has been shown to work properly when respected by its members - compare with Tony Blair's case for The War in Iraq. That much we (Brits) can be proud of ...

On the other hand, I don't think it's come to the right conclusion. Ed Miliband is being praised as a statesman (HA!) for his role in defeating the motion, but I hope he accepts any opprobrium coming his way if we later find that the Assad regime are and have been killing its own citizens in their thousands.
Edited by tafkaj, Sep 7 2013, 11:15 AM.
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The big problem where Arab countries are concerned, is that the "Freedom fighters" are often more of a threat to the international scene, than the tyrants that they are attempting to depose! For that reason alone we should mind our own business. There are more than enough domestic problems that need solving before we stick our oar into other country's ailments.
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It crossed my mind that Cameron may have engineered this. Whatever happens now, he can't be blamed. If intervention by the US turns out be a disaster, he didn't take the UK in, so he's clean. If the altenative disaster scenario happens, he can say 'I told you so but you wouldn't listen'. From a political perspective, more or less perfect, no?
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Lurkalot

it certainly pays to lobby MPs. This is a right decision not to go to war. Spend time sorting out Uk's problems instead of US's puppet. US likes oil, Israel, and Iran (I think). Well perhaps, Syria was an easier option than Iran .... and then conquer other oil countries.
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rumbaba
Aug 30 2013, 02:22 PM
It crossed my mind that Cameron may have engineered this. Whatever happens now, he can't be blamed. If intervention by the US turns out be a disaster, he didn't take the UK in, so he's clean. If the altenative disaster scenario happens, he can say 'I told you so but you wouldn't listen'. From a political perspective, more or less perfect, no?
The more I hear Government ministers saying that there is absolutely no chance of any new debate, regardless of what evidence comes to light and no matter what the Syrians do or the US response, the more I think I may be right. When did a Government that really wanted to do something ever give up so quickly and absolutely because the British public have expressed their view clearly and they 'respect it'?
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