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Scottish Independence Vote; 18th September 2014
Topic Started: Sep 17 2013, 01:44 PM (6,420 Views)
rumbaba
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A year to go, so campaigning will start in earnest soon. Here's a place to discuss it.
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rumbaba
Sep 18 2014, 09:22 PM
Alea iacta est

Alex jacta est !!!
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rumbaba
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Alex didn't seem that bothered in his speech. This might be nearer the mark than you think.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/salmond-votes-no-2014091890806
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rumbaba
Sep 19 2014, 03:01 PM
Alex didn't seem that bothered in his speech.
I was thinking he had to put a brave face on things ahead of leading a ScotNat v Labour battle at the next Hollyrood election but he seems to think that this is a job for a new leader.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29277527

I'd always thought that his aim was "What's in it for Alex ?" but, perhaps, I should think again.


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Rikiiboy
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Well....Alex,folks can never accuse you of not giving it your best shot son. (and when he gets knighted that'll take care of his wee pension)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29277527


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Salmond
Edited by Rikiiboy, Sep 19 2014, 04:00 PM.
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rumbaba
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At least he didn't shilly shally
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Rikiiboy
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A rough diamond? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29219165
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rumbaba
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Unionist thugs rioting in George Sq. The sectarianism that blights Scotland. Nazi salutes, burning saltires and songs about how Andy Murray should have died in Dunblane. The future is orange?
Edited by rumbaba, Sep 20 2014, 09:23 AM.
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George Square...Edinburgh or Glasgow? ...just shows how volatile the situation is not only in Scotland but everywhere!
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rumbaba
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Glasgow, Mobs
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Mobson
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Ahhh...of course, the first city voted YES...
Edited by Mobson, Sep 20 2014, 01:07 PM.
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dai Cottomy
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Now that the "Democratic" charade is over, Mr. Cameron and Mr. Salmond can sit back and let someone else sort
out the hitherto intractable problems of the Barnett formula and the West Lothian question.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/19/what-is-barnett-formula-how-work-scotland-wales-northern-ireland

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/sep/19/west-lothian-question-english-votes-laws
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I disagree, I don't think David Cameron has any intention of sitting back on these difficult devolution problems, not only involving Scotland, but as importantly England, Wales and Northern Ireland...
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rumbaba
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I'm not sure sbout this site but I know people from Glasgow that I trust and this was triumphalist, unionist thugs rampaging, not some altercation between rival groups.


http://wingsoverscotland.com/enough-is-enough/
Edited by rumbaba, Sep 20 2014, 03:11 PM.
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dai Cottomy
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"I disagree, I don't think David Cameron has any intention of sitting back on these difficult devolution problems, not only involving Scotland, but as importantly England, Wales and Northern Ireland..."



I hope he does, because let's face it, he's a broad brush chap - not so good on the detailed stuff. He's given jobs to William Hague (English devolution) and Lord Smith of Kelvin (Scottish devolution) to come up with something by Burns Night (25th January) Got a good haggis recipe Mobs?
Edited by dai Cottomy, Sep 20 2014, 03:25 PM.
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rumbaba
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Cameron is a snake, already double-crossing the Scots, don't trust him to deliver on this. Anyway, he is toast after screwing up the No campaign, totally mishandled and had to get Gordon Brown to bail him out. His own party already regard him as totally incompetent.
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One article about Cameron suggested one of his problems is a tendency to wing it and seem to be decisive at the same time.

There was a caller on Any answers who made the point that all sorts of complications will arise with the principle of only voting on matters related to an MP's constituency ..... which country it happens to lie in.

Does that mean there have to be several ministers for a particular issue which might sometimes affect one or two or three countries, can there be a Scottish PM, can an English PM also be PM of the UK, what about voting in the House of Lords ..... ?

We're going to need a special £mmm. computer programme Project to handle it all; that should work well !!

We need an effective general administration aiming to do well by all the people. Fragmentation is not going to automatically lead to good policies, decisions, implementation. Surely we need people of good intentions and the best abilities working co-operatively for the common good. We face massive terrifying problems and petty jealousies about who decides about what where etc is a big indulgence and distraction.
Edited by caissier, Sep 20 2014, 05:10 PM.
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rumbaba
Sep 20 2014, 05:04 PM
Cameron is a snake, already double-crossing the Scots, don't trust him to deliver on this. Anyway, he is toast after screwing up the No campaign, totally mishandled and had to get Gordon Brown to bail him out. His own party already regard him as totally incompetent.
Too true ..... the reshaping of constituencies fell apart so now he's grabbing the apparent chance to entrench a permanent Tory influence on any future government. That'll be good for the country, won't it? Governmental deadlock for the foreseeable.

He's slippery operator, going back to the war of Jennifer's Ear. Hhe's mocked in the EU, and a referendum over In/Out membership would make this last one look like a picnic ..... all with the purpose of looking after his own back. He's just a marketing exercise.
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Why this strange preoccupation with fish? First it was Salmond, now it's Sturgeon!

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Rikiiboy
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That's about right tickle,the Scots have a few wee fishes whilst our own parliament is full of feckin sharks,innit?
Edited by Rikiiboy, Oct 16 2014, 04:50 PM.
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waiting4atickle
Oct 15 2014, 11:54 PM

Why this strange preoccupation with fish? First it was Salmond, now it's Sturgeon!

Remember the old saying: "a virgin sturgeon needs no urgin' "
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Rikiiboy
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<whistles> Yes all,a salmond,sturgeon and a microbrachius dicki?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29661446
Edited by Rikiiboy, Oct 20 2014, 08:18 AM.
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Rikiiboy
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Sorry tickle,wrong thread. <steam>

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-quarter-scots-never-4640537
Edited by Rikiiboy, Nov 19 2014, 06:44 AM.
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I'm still trying to work out the Scottish angle. <huh????>

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Rikiiboy
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What price is Scottish oil worth now?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/11292837/Opec-willing-to-push-oil-price-to-40-says-Gulf-oil-minister.html
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Rikiiboy
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Update... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30525539
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Rikiiboy
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The SNP should be grateful Mr G Brown got a no vote, there would have been some really eggy faces up there by now?

North Sea oil revenues fall by 75% in the first three months of 2015 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-34029862
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Rikiiboy
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Hi all, it was my understanding that the last Scottish vote for Independence was a one off chance to vote.
So why are the SNP still ranting on about it?
Will the SNP be funding the next campaign?
Maybe our vote on the EU could be changed every time the losing side want it too

SNP spring conference: Party to build new case for independence - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-35788489
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rumbaba
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If the UK votes to leave the EU and Scotland votes solidly to stay in, then indyref is legitimately back on the table.
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Rikiiboy
Mar 12 2016, 05:21 PM
Hi all, it was my understanding that the last Scottish vote for Independence was a one off chance to vote.
So why are the SNP still ranting on about it?
Will the SNP be funding the next campaign?
Maybe our vote on the EU could be changed every time the losing side want it too

SNP spring conference: Party to build new case for independence - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-35788489
Hi rum, that would mean the euro and the same immigration issues that the rest of us will be running away from
That and the massive crash in oil revenues would leave Scotland like Greece at the mercy of the Germans,innit?
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I think you may be overestimating the importance of oil revenue to the Scottish economy, Rikii. As it said in the last paragraph of that piece on North Sea oil revenues, Scotland's output per head ranks third of the 12 regions of the UK, behind only London and the South East, and it is not significantly less than the UK as a whole.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/16/scotland-oil-price-slump-snp-forecasts-critics

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2016-scotland-36183370
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Rikiiboy
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They don't make them like this anymore rum!


Scotland's First Oil Rush: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07cb31r via @bbciplayer
Edited by Rikiiboy, Aug 4 2016, 09:18 PM.
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/698020/sturgeon-independent-scotland-oil-curse
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Rikiiboy
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Ohh Nicola! Here we go again.
Nicola Sturgeon is now rabbiting on about another referendum,and accusing the ret of us in the UK of xenophobia,it would appear that in fact it's actually Nicola herself and the SNP that hate the rest of us in the UK?
Isn't she gambling on Scotland leaving the single market from here and Europe?
I personally feel her hot air ranting is to draw all our attention away from situations like this:-
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/720541/SNP-Scotland-economy-debt-Sturgeon-Greece-EU-public-spending-deficit
Edited by Rikiiboy, Oct 14 2016, 07:10 AM.
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Take a hike...on yer bike Nicola! Frankly we've got enough to worry about deciding who will decide upon the consequences of Brexit without the threat of another bloody referendum...go ahead with it...just stop bleating.
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rumbaba
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To be fair, the Scots were told that, if they wanted to stay in the EU, they had to remain in the UK. That worked out well, didn't it?
Edited by rumbaba, Oct 14 2016, 09:21 PM.
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Rikiiboy
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rumbaba
Oct 14 2016, 09:20 PM
To be fair, the Scots were told that, if they wanted to stay in the EU, they had to remain in the UK. That worked out well, didn't it?
However, without the 38% in favour for brexit from Scotland and the Irish votes we would still be in the EU rum.
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56.7% in favour of Remain (on an 80.1% turnout) round our way, so perhaps we ought to stay in.

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I don't care about the stats, my future is fucked because of gullible, stupid people. Ok, that's 'democracy' , the idiots get to vote: hooray.
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Yes, that's how I feel, Rumbaba. When the Brexit vote came out, I mentioned it to my neighbour, who is one of my carers, and a very caring woman. But she is not very bright, really. And she didn't sound as if she had ever heard of Brexit; instead her interest that day was in Whitney Houston's will being challenged by family members! She often hears something on my radio and comments on it, without understanding anything of the context, just the one sentence she heard. And she gets to vote on important issues, like the makeup of our government and drinking laws, and maybe in the future, euthanasia. Thankfully our politicians and the media never let the death penalty debate get any traction.

My daughter-in-law's parents, Welsh, said they voted to leave as they didn't know what to do and they took the advice of their newspaper, The Mirror, and friends, even though two of their children begged them to vote to remain. My dil said she was gutted, even though she lives in NZ now.
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Rikiiboy
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Does the SNP want Scotland out of Europe and the UK?


Nicola Sturgeon warns PM she is not bluffing on indyref2 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38543547
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