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A Philosophical Question
Topic Started: Jan 15 2012, 10:41 PM (388 Views)
Damon
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I just got to thinking of this. I wanted to know what you guys thought.


A Man is framed for a heinous, capitol offense. He hes special skills that would allow him to elude capture, such as former military et cetera. He uses those skills in his flight because the framejob is so accurate that he would almost assuredly be convicted and sentenced to death or life in prison. However, during his flight, he is forced to kill someone because they were trying to capture or kill him for justice or bounty. The conspiracy later falls through, and the true bad guys are brought to justice.

However, when the man comes out of hiding, the man is arrested for killing the person during his eluding of capture. Is he guilty of murder, manslaughter et cetera, or is he protected under self defense, since his life was technically being threatened by the person?
Edited by Damon, Jan 15 2012, 10:41 PM.
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POOHEAD189
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I think that its a pretty hard question to answer. If they were forced to kill them, and they couldn't incapacitate, then I don't think they should be sent to jail for it. I think it was self defense.
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Rasen
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It's a hard one, but I might have to say it was murder. However, I don't think he should get a life sentance or anything that severe.
Sounds like he was skilled enough to knock them out but killed anyways. There's also the fact that he was running to begin with, instead of being arrested and waiting for the real criminals to be caught.

However, I don't know if the first person was going to kill first, and I would side with self defence if he was.

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DFlame
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I'm not law expert, but I do believe legally he is a murderer. He didn't kill in self-defense, he killed evading the law. The fact that he'd likely be sentenced to death or that he was in fact innocent of the crime he was originally accused with seem irrelevant to this fact.

Morally, it's a bit more difficult a question. Sure, the most morally upright thing would have been for him to turn himself in, rather than kill someone else. However, that's not a level of altrusim one can just expect another to show. While I wouldn't think that was the most morally upright decision, I could not really fault him too much for it.
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Lithas
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Murder two, no prior intent, but with clear intent to murder.

1.) He not only killed a man, he killed a man entrusted with enforcing the law. This probably carries additional punishment of some sort.

2.) As citizens, we are required to submit to the authorities. Regardless of guilt or innocence, we are supposed to cooperate with the authorities. We are then supposed to rely on the courts and laws to carry out the correct punishment on the correct people.

3.) He killed a man with clear intent to kill. This is murder. He didn't plan to kill the man ahead of time, which lowers it from premeditated.


Now, philosophically I would not blame the man. However, legally he's a murderer.
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Snow White
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This sounds like the movie 'U.S. Marshals", which had a similar situation but the "fugitive" on the run did not kill anyone, he would instead hold people hostage until he could go to his next place and release the people later without harm :P

The scenario is too vague to have an opinion on it. If he killed the person because they were trying to kill him, then it would be self defense to a degree. Doesn't matter if the person is on the run, you can't just up and kill someone, they have the right to fight back. However if you kill someone who is trying to turn you in, whether it be a law official or someone who is practicing vigilanty justice, just because they are trying to capture you, then you are in the wrong.

Frame or not, you should turn yourself in. Running from the law just makes you more guilty :P

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POOHEAD189
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Frame or not, you should turn yourself in. Running from the law just makes you more guilty

Unless you aren't in the first place :P

I do not know what the implications of his actions are legally, but it is the fault of the justice system that wrongly accused him of putting him and the man he killed in that situation. Like Lithas said, philosophically I wouldn't blame the guy too much.
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Setsu
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Damon... what did you do? >:l

Honestly though... I'd say he is still a murderer. Simple as that. He didn't have to kill anyone.
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jimjams14
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If I had it my way the justice system wouldn't be able to kill him for the crime he was framed for so he wouldn't have felt the need to run and therefore wouldn't have had to kill the other man to escape.
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Professional Protagonist
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I've got a better one for you. How come we all keep assuming it has to be a he? She is just as likely and capable of falling into this conspiracy. >:[
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Rasen
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I said he because the scenario said a man is framed.
I didn't want to go into it before, but I agree with jimjams. This could probably be avoided if death penalty didn't exist.

Made me think of Gandalf.
"Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them[...] Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Professional Protagonist
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You just had to ruin the impact of my joke by taking it seriously, didn't you? >.>
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Rasen
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I really misread that then, sorry :sweat:
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POOHEAD189
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Jan 16 2012, 09:20 PM
You just had to ruin the impact of my joke by taking it seriously, didn't you? >.>
Jokes? JOKES!? IN GENERAL DISCUSSION!?
Jk.

But we assume he is a he because Damon said so :3
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Mistriousfrog
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well it is down to a matter of perspective. The individual (see I didn't say man :P) should certainly face some sort of repercussion as he killed another innocent person, even if it was out of desperation. However, allowances should be made. Rather than murder, it would be a manslaughter. The person in question (did it again) could argue that it was under duress or self defence but the fact it that they killed another human.
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