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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 31 2008, 06:24 PM (515 Views) | |
| Refia | Oct 31 2008, 06:24 PM Post #1 |
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Paying Tribute to the Past
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Hi my dear fellow members and MST-lovers and Parody-lovers and canon-lovers and yada yada... I've got a question again today. What is your opinion on writing crossovers with LotR and other universes? I think it can work out quite well, as Tel proved with his Chance Encounter series, but aside from that, I've seen few other (good) crossovers. I'm asking because I'm currently debating if I should try and write a Bionicle x LotR crossover (more crossover-ish than "To Live and Feel"). Should I try, or not? (Would you read it? If not, why not?) Well, that's it. Answers please. Or else, bye bye forum!
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| Siany-T | Oct 31 2008, 06:49 PM Post #2 |
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King of Nothing
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Hmm I think if it's written well then a crossover can work. Elements of canon from both universe need to be kept and characterization needs to be kept but with enough work it can work. |
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Merlin: Thank you. Arthur: For what? For lying to my father to save your worthless hide? If you ever put me in that situation again, Merlin, I will clap you irons myself. Merlin, Series 2 David: Oh and John. My TARDIS... mine. Say sorry. John: Sorry. Tonight's the Night: Doctor Who Special Team Demyx - 'cause that is how I roll! | |
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| AraionaDuBois | Oct 31 2008, 08:34 PM Post #3 |
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Chasing Shadows
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Obviously, it can be done (and well) but the problem arises when people mesh two or more fandoms together without plausible explanation or adherence to canon. Example, the fellowship hits hogwarts (or however the story is called. Can't be bothered to look it up) I'm sorry, but Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings really can't go together that well. Bionicle, you say? What's the plot line. That could be interesting. ![]() I did a one-shot crossover once with Doctor Who and Lord of the Rings. Legolas was keeping watch one night and he hears the Tardis materialise and hears two people talking (Martha and the Doctor) and then they leave. |
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Smashed down the light. I will not rest till I'm king. Valinor's empty now. allied the elves and men they shall be damned. A Dark Passage, Blind Guardian. Now truly I am king of the world. Master of fate Damned shall thy house be. Thou shall not question my power Nor shall thou defy me further. The Steadfast, Blind Guardian. | |
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| Refia | Oct 31 2008, 10:15 PM Post #4 |
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Paying Tribute to the Past
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There are plenty of ways to mix up Bionicle with any fandom that has a very plausible explanation as to why they meet. Because Bionicle has this neat little thing called "Kanohi Olmak: Mask of Dimensional Gates", a mask that can open gates to any dimension. Drop one through it and there's no telling where you'll end up. That's a plausible explanation to how a Bionicle would end up in Middle-earth for example. I'd like to write such a crossover because Bionicle and something else are so vastly different. I just don't know if there's any interest in it. I think people in general underestimate Bionicle's complexity. It rivals Tolkien, to be sure. I had a friend over today and I showed him the new line of Bionicles for 2009. He asked me "What's the storyline?" and I had to brief him of all that had happened since he stopped following (2003). When I was done, he said he couldn't keep up with all the facts and information. He was amazed at how complex it has gotten. Really, if I were to explain to you guys here the workings of the Bionicle universe and storyline... I might as well just give you a link to the Bionicle wiki where you can look it up for yourself. XD I'm rambling. Sorry. |
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| Siany-T | Oct 31 2008, 10:19 PM Post #5 |
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Well you have an explination for how it could happen, I wouldn't mind reading it just to see what it's like. I might go have a look on the net to find out about Bionicle. |
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Merlin: Thank you. Arthur: For what? For lying to my father to save your worthless hide? If you ever put me in that situation again, Merlin, I will clap you irons myself. Merlin, Series 2 David: Oh and John. My TARDIS... mine. Say sorry. John: Sorry. Tonight's the Night: Doctor Who Special Team Demyx - 'cause that is how I roll! | |
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| Refia | Oct 31 2008, 10:22 PM Post #6 |
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Paying Tribute to the Past
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Too bad Bioniclesector01 is down these days, it's the best Bionicle info site. Well, you could always check out Bioniclestory.com, which has short recaps of every storyyear up until now. Nothing compared to the huge amount of info the wiki has. http://www.bioniclestory.com/storyoverview/default.aspx |
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| Siany-T | Oct 31 2008, 10:23 PM Post #7 |
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King of Nothing
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Oh thanks. I'll have a look. |
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Merlin: Thank you. Arthur: For what? For lying to my father to save your worthless hide? If you ever put me in that situation again, Merlin, I will clap you irons myself. Merlin, Series 2 David: Oh and John. My TARDIS... mine. Say sorry. John: Sorry. Tonight's the Night: Doctor Who Special Team Demyx - 'cause that is how I roll! | |
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| Telcontar Rulz | Nov 1 2008, 12:57 AM Post #8 |
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Rising Again
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I think crossovers are a great way to 're-explore' a certain fandom. However, the person writing it has to know the characters very well, especially the one who's been put into the foreign fandom. Fans of one fandom might not know the other fandom, and it's quite important to explain both fandoms in enough detail so that the audience can connect with both sets of characters. However, it's also important not to get bogged down in detail and forget plot. Sometimes, some people tend to have the 'crossed-over' character take over the story, and they become Stus/Sues--not good. From my experience, it's useful to use the crossed-over character as an observer to deliver a new perspective on everything, as well as placing them in situations which would have occurred, but were not mentioned in the canon plot. (i.e. during the siege of Minas Tirith, Tolkien didn't mention much about the common soldiers; who was commanding them? How did they cope?) Bionicle and LotR is something I've never come across before. People tend to cross similar genres (i.e. Harry Potter/Narnia/LotR) or stories with the same actors (e.g. Pirates and LotR, or the Chance Encounter series). It will be interesting to see something different.
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| Refia | Nov 1 2008, 01:19 AM Post #9 |
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Paying Tribute to the Past
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That's one of my concerns though. I'm no Tolkien expert, but I'm doing my best. And I'm also afraid Bionicle and LotR are too different to cross, seeing as how Advanced Bionicle is and with Elemental Powers and all. On the other hand, it would be very useful. Still, it's so interesting as well because they are so different. And people underestimate Bionicle because it's LEGO. What my point is for crossing the two is just to write a story that focusses on the collision of cultures, worlds and even species. That's interesting you know. Imagine, how would an Elf for example, react if all of the sudden a being existing out of metal and organic tissue stood in front of him? A being with strange powers that in Middle-Earth only Wizards like Gandalf have? It's intriguing for me, but I'm not sure how far I can go... |
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| Telcontar Rulz | Nov 1 2008, 01:23 AM Post #10 |
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Rising Again
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Are you planning on putting Bionicle characters into LotR, or LotR characters into Bionicle? I for one think it would be interesting to see how inhabitants of Middle Earth react to hi-tech stuff. |
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| Refia | Nov 1 2008, 01:30 AM Post #11 |
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Paying Tribute to the Past
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Bionicle isn't all high tech, it's mainly the metroplois Metru Nui that is. Many inhabitants of the Matoran Universe just live on small islands or in small villages without too much technology. I think technology and high tech isn't the correct term, seeing as the universe is so vastly different. Well, if I told you that all the while in Bionicle so far, 2001 to 2008 we were actually INSIDE an enormous being who carries a 'universe' inside him with the inhabitants we've known for these years sort of acting as his 'micro' system, how would you react to that? ![]() But I'm not sure how I could make LotR characters end up in Mata Nui. And who should go to Mata Nui, the Matoran Universe? Suggestions to both questions, please? The Fellowship would just be so cliché again... But still... The other way around (Bionicle in LotR) is much easier. Just use an Olmak of Dimensional Gates and whup, welcome in ME! |
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| Telcontar Rulz | Nov 1 2008, 01:39 AM Post #12 |
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Rising Again
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You can have a lot of interesting and humorous discussions about that. ![]() |
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| Refia | Nov 1 2008, 01:43 AM Post #13 |
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Paying Tribute to the Past
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Tel, did part of your post just disappear? 0_o |
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| Telcontar Rulz | Nov 1 2008, 01:47 AM Post #14 |
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Rising Again
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Yeah, it did. How on earth did that happenI'll rewrite it: To take the Fellowship to Mata Nui, you could have them fall down somewhere in Moria, fall through a portal/wormhole and get transported to Mata Nui. Or when Saruman and Gandalf are flinging spells at each on Caradhras/Orthanc in movieverse, something goes wrong, and certain characters are taken to Mata Nui. Any character would work, as long as you base the story on how they react to certain things which happen in Mata Nui, and try not to make characters fit into a big overall plot. |
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| MackenzieW | Nov 1 2008, 07:36 AM Post #15 |
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Resident Time Lady
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I'm generally wary of crossovers since Tel's is the only one I've read that is well-done. But I agree that you have to really know the fandoms your writing for. For example, if you were to cross Harry Potter with Lord of the Rings, you would need to address the two different concepts of magic. It would be humorous for someone like Ron to ask Gandalf if he was going to pull his wand out. Or a situation where Frodo mistakes the dementors for Ringwraithes. I agree with whoever posted that the crossed-over character(s) can't overtake the story (I think it was Tel, but it's 2:30 AM and I had three tequila sunrises). That was my main problem when CSI crossed over with Without a Trace. Jack Malone, I love him, but he came on and took over CSI. Everyone got pushed to the background. Well, I'm rambling now (I blame the alcohol) but if you do a crossover, don't lose what is beloved about those two fandoms. |
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