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Fanon Beliefs That Need to Die; Because They Exist
Topic Started: Nov 16 2012, 02:57 AM (2,277 Views)
jules14
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Awesome blog post, Mac! You covered all the major fanon beliefs that annoy me, and I enjoyed reading your responses to them. Now let's just hope some Suethor--or aspiring Suethor--comes across your blog and decides to read them. :D
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Amarth
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It's a great post, and I'll comment on it in greater detail later.

There is just one thing, in the part with sex.

There is a reason why I only listed the idea of serial promiscuity/orgies and not sex in general.

Because while we know Tolkien condemned it, PJ did put that very suggestive scene in TTT. Which kind of implies Elves did have sexuality similar to Men.
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You covered all the major fanon beliefs that annoy me, and I enjoyed reading your responses to them.


Thank you! It was easy to find the places where I could let some snark out but still educate as to WHY these fanon beliefs needed to die.

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There is a reason why I only listed the idea of serial promiscuity/orgies and not sex in general.

Because while we know Tolkien condemned it, PJ did put that very suggestive scene in TTT. Which kind of implies Elves did have sexuality similar to Men.


Which scene? The one between Arwen and Aragorn? Because I have to disagree. You may have taken the implication of Elves having similar sexuality but

1. Arwen herself is half-Elven. Who isn't to say there is still some Mannish qualities inside her?
2. It was between two people who had already pledged to be with each other.
3. It's a large jump between Aragorn and Arwen having a moment to Elves have lots and lots of sex all the time.

So I approached it from the viewpoints of someone like Mary A.
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1. Arwen herself is half-Elven. Who isn't to say there is still some Mannish qualities inside her?

How clear was that explained in the movie again?

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2. It was between two people who had already pledged to be with each other.

Except movies made it seem like forbidden love. And on top of that, put the scene of her leaving right after the scene I mentioned above. And then there was implied triangle with Eowyn going on at the same moment. Not really sounding like "practically married".

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3. It's a large jump between Aragorn and Arwen having a moment to Elves have lots and lots of sex all the time.

Of course! But it's just as large a jump to "sex only for reproduction purposes".

While I understand what you were going for, and your start is clear, your explanation eventually expanded to Elves and sex in general. While the idea of Elves being open about sex is contradicted by even movie canon (otherwise there would have been an orgy going on in Rivendell or Lothlorien), I can see how a Suethor would think having a little bit of hanky-panky with Legolas would be okay.

Just pointing out, since we are making allowances for movie canon. :shrugs:

Otherwise, it's a great list and it covers the main problematic beliefs. There is nothing I would add or remove.
"I dance the dance of the fool
and pray you find me mad
for if you lay hands upon the root
you'll know me, without illusion
and find me guilty of the truth."
-Malkav's Words

"LEGOLAS! YOU ARE HEIR TO THE THRONE OF MIRKWOOD! YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE YOUR WAY WITH RANDOM GIRLS IN CLOSETS!"-Glorfindel, "Never Leave Fanfiction Lying Around" by crazyroninchic

"Dear Harry,

If Voldemort kills us, we turn into sparkly vampires. Can we panic NOW?

Sincerely, Ron"


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Just pointing out, since we are making allowances for movie canon.


Implications cannot be counted as canon or else there would be no canon.

As you said there was never any sex shown in the movie nor was it ever discussed. I can't control a sex-driven teen girl from believing Aragorn and Arwen had sex after the blackout and thinking that means their Sue can have sex with Legolas. That's still against canon and cannot be counted.


Those are my feelings about what counts as canon. You may disagree and that's okay, but once again, I don't count implications. That scene probably had no other meaning than "Let's get Liv Tyler in there and keep the romantics in the audience happy."
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"Stop the damn texting and pick up a book!"--Grandmama, "The Addams Family" (Musical)

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"I wake in the loneliness of sunrise
When the deep purple heaven turns blue
And start to pray
As I pray each day
That Ill hear some word from you

I lie in the loneliness of evening
Looking out on a silver-flaked sea
And ask the moon
Oh how soon, how soon
Will my love come home to me"--"Loneliness of Evening," Cinderella


"Thank you, Lord
You have brought us
Safe to shore
Be our strength and protection ever more.
A Thiarna dean trocaire
A Chriost dean trocaire
A Thiarna dean trocaire
A Chriost dean trocaire"--Heartland, as performed by Celtic Thunder


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Amarth
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Okay, it is a bit of a grey area. (To me, for some reason, it always felt more sensual than romantic.)

I'm curious about the response (if any).

Maybe you should write something controversial about 50S or Twilight to boost your popularity.

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"I dance the dance of the fool
and pray you find me mad
for if you lay hands upon the root
you'll know me, without illusion
and find me guilty of the truth."
-Malkav's Words

"LEGOLAS! YOU ARE HEIR TO THE THRONE OF MIRKWOOD! YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE YOUR WAY WITH RANDOM GIRLS IN CLOSETS!"-Glorfindel, "Never Leave Fanfiction Lying Around" by crazyroninchic

"Dear Harry,

If Voldemort kills us, we turn into sparkly vampires. Can we panic NOW?

Sincerely, Ron"


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MackenzieW
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Here's the thing--I wrote a 50S post on my Fanfiction for Dummies but most of the posters flock to my A Writer's Journey post on it. They're still talking about it and I'm pretty sure it cleared the front page!

Besides, I wrote about 50S and my anger went away. I just needed to vent.

So, any other ideas for future Fanfiction for Dummies posts? I did have the idea of doing "plots that have been done to death" but I'm not sure.
You are the music while the music lasts--T.S. Eliot

"Stop the damn texting and pick up a book!"--Grandmama, "The Addams Family" (Musical)

"Tomorrow will be better for as long as America keeps alive the ideals of freedom and a better life." Walt Disney

"I wake in the loneliness of sunrise
When the deep purple heaven turns blue
And start to pray
As I pray each day
That Ill hear some word from you

I lie in the loneliness of evening
Looking out on a silver-flaked sea
And ask the moon
Oh how soon, how soon
Will my love come home to me"--"Loneliness of Evening," Cinderella


"Thank you, Lord
You have brought us
Safe to shore
Be our strength and protection ever more.
A Thiarna dean trocaire
A Chriost dean trocaire
A Thiarna dean trocaire
A Chriost dean trocaire"--Heartland, as performed by Celtic Thunder


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Amarth
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I was just kidding. ;)

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So, any other ideas for future Fanfiction for Dummies posts? I did have the idea of doing "plots that have been done to death" but I'm not sure.

That sounds great! Do you already have some in mind? If you can't think of many, maybe post a topic like this again?
"I dance the dance of the fool
and pray you find me mad
for if you lay hands upon the root
you'll know me, without illusion
and find me guilty of the truth."
-Malkav's Words

"LEGOLAS! YOU ARE HEIR TO THE THRONE OF MIRKWOOD! YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE YOUR WAY WITH RANDOM GIRLS IN CLOSETS!"-Glorfindel, "Never Leave Fanfiction Lying Around" by crazyroninchic

"Dear Harry,

If Voldemort kills us, we turn into sparkly vampires. Can we panic NOW?

Sincerely, Ron"


Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.E- Albert Einstein

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MackenzieW
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I think I might make another discussion like this, but first I need to decide if I want to keep it to just LOTR or if I want to make multi-fandom. Actually, I'll make it multi-fandom, but I'll list the fandoms I'm comfortable enough to write about in it.
You are the music while the music lasts--T.S. Eliot

"Stop the damn texting and pick up a book!"--Grandmama, "The Addams Family" (Musical)

"Tomorrow will be better for as long as America keeps alive the ideals of freedom and a better life." Walt Disney

"I wake in the loneliness of sunrise
When the deep purple heaven turns blue
And start to pray
As I pray each day
That Ill hear some word from you

I lie in the loneliness of evening
Looking out on a silver-flaked sea
And ask the moon
Oh how soon, how soon
Will my love come home to me"--"Loneliness of Evening," Cinderella


"Thank you, Lord
You have brought us
Safe to shore
Be our strength and protection ever more.
A Thiarna dean trocaire
A Chriost dean trocaire
A Thiarna dean trocaire
A Chriost dean trocaire"--Heartland, as performed by Celtic Thunder


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