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7800 and BF2; My wallet hurts....
Topic Started: Sep 7 2005, 06:06 AM (396 Views)
Pellinore of Northumbria
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I just ordered a 7800 bundled with BF2 and another gig of RAM for my PC.

See you guys in BF2 in the next few days!

Pellinore
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Charlemagne Of Aachen
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Kool Peli, the 78oo and BF2 will rokk your PC world... Did you get the GTX??? Look forward to seeing you in BF2...

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Pellinore of Northumbria
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No, I got the GT -- couldn't justify spending another $160. My PC probably can't feed the GTX fast enough anyway. Next year I will go to SLI with two 7800 GT's with a new mobo and CPU. Even with just the one 7800 GT I can play BF2 at 1600 x 1200 with all the settings maxed and 4xAA. It is a beautiful game if you stop to look at the scenery once and awhile.

Had fun games of BF2 with some RTK last night! I suck of course, but rode around with Kay for a time and racked up lots of points.

I'll probably be playing it more than RTW, at least until BI comes out.

I'll turn on Xfire when I'm playing, my ID is RTK4Pellinore
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Kay of Sauvage
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Yeah, Pelli wasn't killing much. You had a game with no kills :lol: Some things you should know... The N key toggles your compass mini-map zoom. There are 3 levels of zoom, so always be in the closest zoom when you are in battle. You'll be able to see spotted enemies easier, and know where to look. I actually changed my compass in the options menu so that it spins with my facing, so wherever i'm looking is directly at the tops of the mini-map.

And don't be afraid to get out of a vehicle that you're not driving when you reach a flag to capture. In a tank, it's ok to stay in and use the MG. BTW, hitting ctrl makes you hide in that position. Anyway, in an APC, it's nice to have some infantry on the ground to protect the APC and seek out anti-tank, and special ops who are trying to use dynamite. You can still use the APC for cover. The FAV and jeeps are always good to get out of, since they blow up pretty easily. Maybe one person could man the MG on a Fav, but otherwise, it's a deathtrap if it's sitting there alone.

The Q key brings up your quick command menu. It's the list of thing you can say, like Need ammo, or need a medic, or enemy spotted. If you do the enemy spoted thing, you can identify a target for everyone on your team. Just point at the enemy, and press Q, then click. I use this whenever I see someone, even if i don't know if they are enemy or friend. If they are enemy, it'll let you know. The T key is for more command, but more useful for squad leaders. Although you can make requests to the squad leader with it.

Man, I wish I had your computer...
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Pellinore of Northumbria
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Thanks for all the tips Kay. I played last night with Ghazan, Chaz and Ant, and I'm getting better. I did make the mistake of actually trying to fly the plane and crashed seconds after takeoff! Hopefully no one noticed.

I'm playing the assault kit -- which I know isn't so good as far as racking up points goes but since I have minimal FPS experience I need to sharpen basic skills like moving and actually hitting things when I shoot. What do you guys recommend doing when you end up face to face with someone? I found that with the USMC rifle, the burst is a big disadvantage over the fully auto MEC rifle in very close engagements. Do you go to pistol? Knife?

By the way, if anyone has chatted me on Xfire and I have not responded it is because I did not have it set to show up while I was in game. I'll change that. I wasn't ignoring you.

Regards,

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Kay of Sauvage
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lol, never use your pistol unless you shoot all your rounds of your main gun and have to reload. I turned off auto-reload so you can switch to your pistol. I highly recommend every does this. Comes in handy as anti-tank too, when I switch between the anti-tank gun, shotgun, and pistol and use em all when in close combat vs infantry.

For longer distances, it best to shoot single shot, or in very short bursts, and it helps to be in the prone position, or at least kneeling. You can change the gun's setting by hitting #3 on your keyboard while the weapon is already on.

I believe the non-ungraded assault gun, and the non-upgraded medic gun are the same thing. It's just that the assault gun also includes a grenade launcher and the assault guy has body armor. I'd rather the medic, just to save the team a lot of tickets by reviving/healing people, especially in urban maps. For the more wide open maps where people are likely to be killed by vehicles, being a medic is harder as you'll get yourself killed if you try to revive someone just killed by a tank. And don't forget, you can just leave medic packs around randomly, and your team will be able to see them wherever you put them. So it might be best to hide them in bushes or such, so enemies can't find them.

I haven't even tried to fly the plane yet. I sometimes have the game freeze on me for a few seconds when I'm playing, so if I were in a plane at that time, I'd be dead...

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Charlemagne Of Aachen
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I did make the mistake of actually trying to fly the plane and crashed seconds after takeoff!


ROFL!!!! :lol: Welcome to the club. This condition is known as Flyus-N00bius. It happens the first 50 times you try to fly a plane dude. :lol: I however had Flyus-Nobius Maximus, which is the same condition, except you crash the first hundred times...:blink:

Chazzz
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Dinas of Cheshire

lol Chaz,

Well I personally always use the assault rifle, firstly because it has better accuracy than any of the other guns(without zoom) and secondly because per round it does the most damage, the medic gun is the same for damage but the hairpin is much bigger and much less accurate. With the grenade launcher u can also take care of people in planes and people in passenger choppers and apache's quite easily, you can also take care of the normal carts and cars with one hit using this. I got very bored of BF2 very quickly because its very repetitive, so I started using the apache's and these started to bore me aswell so I started playing as the commander and this bored me too, so you wont catch me playing BF2 unless there's is quite alot of people on. Im not trying to put you off or anything but just dont over do it!!!! :P

Dinas
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Kay of Sauvage
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I wonder... If you spawn as a class without body armor, then pick up a kit of a class with body armor, do you then have the body armor on you? And if not, do you lose the body armor if you start as a class that has it, then switch to one that doesn't? My guess is that you have the body armor if you have the right kit, no matter when you pick it up. Has anyone noticed whether your clothes change when you pick up a kit? Like have you seen someone pick up a special forces kit and it changed their outfit to it as well?
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Elrich of Gaul
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Pellinore, the 7800 you got now is PCI.? or AGP.?

I have just the one PCI GF6600 GT extreme and there's nothing I can throw at it that will bog it down... I'm sure the 7800 PCI one will more than rock anything you throw at it for sure.!!
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Kay of Sauvage
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How much do those cards cost? I think I might get a really good card rather than new computer, but I don't know if my computer processor will then be the thing slowing me down and not letting me utilize the graphics card to it's full potential. I see those screenshots of BF2 with a lush landscape and beautiful rippling water... Then I see what I actually see... some bushes in a desert and some flat water.
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stoicblitzer
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they dont make 7800GT or 7800GTX for AGP, sorry. :P (only pci-express)

how much do they cost? if you have a pci-express motherboard, you can pick one up at the bargain price of about $500-$600.

my 6600GT for AGP runs just about everything out there, including BF2. albeit i do have a AMD 64 3000+ oc'ed to 2.2ghz (AMD 3200+). i think processor and video card are most important components of PC.
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Elrich of Gaul
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I'll agree with Blitz....

I have an AMD64 3800+ oc'd to 4000+ (2.65 ghz) :rolleyes:

My card is a PX6600 GT PCI Express and what can I tell you..... it'll stop at nothing.!! plus I have an SLI board so if there is EVER something that comes along and chokes this vid card..... I've got a nice empty spot beside it for another just like it.!!! woot.!!
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Pellinore of Northumbria
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www.newegg.com has my eVGA 7800 GT card for $369 plus a $20 mail-in rebate. I bet by the holidays, assuming ATI releases their answer to the 7800, you will be able to get one for around $300.

I got the GT because I think my 3.2 ghz Pentium probably couldn't keep up with a GTX. How fast is your PC, Kay?
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Elrich of Gaul
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I got the GT because I think my 3.2 ghz Pentium probably couldn't keep up with a GTX. How fast is your PC, Kay


Gah.!!! Pentium lover.... gah.!!

Well... if you're into that *cough.. AMD* kind of thing, I guess one cant know what other *cough AMD..* people think is good... :rolleyes:
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Kay of Sauvage
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I looked at my "System Information" in my start menu, accessories, system tools.

It says for processor, I have an AMD 2002 Mhz? But I think I recall that AMD are faster even with lower Mhz than pentuims, so they compare their speed to Pentiums by calling their systems by the speed they are better than or equal to if it were a pentium. So my processor is call a AMD Athlon 64 3000+ MMX, running XP Home.

512 Ram

My Video Card is a NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 with 128MB video memory

So if I got a top of the line video card, or the one Pelli suggested, would it's power be fully utilized and not limited by my computer? I'm thinking perhaps I can buy a really good card and whenever I do get a new computer, maybe a year down the road, I can take that card out and use it in the new computer.

I'm going to buy a laptop for work, and they will give me 1000 bucks towards a computer that just has to meet some rather basic standards. I guess then a option there is to go all out and get a gaming laptop... but I think getting a great gaming laptop might cost tons more than getting a great gaming desktop pc.

And where can I find my motherboard type, if that matters? I thought the motherboard being pretty good was one of the selling points they made about the computer I bought. And it has a cool case :P

Posted Image

Actually, my fans on the side are all light up red except for the center one, which is blue like in the picture.
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Elrich of Gaul
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the big thing nowadays is the PCI express video cards. Only problem with them is that you'll probably need to purchase a new motherboard for them as well. the vid card you currently have, it's ooookkkkk.... :rolleyes: but as Pellinore said about that card (when i had it) was simple... no matter how you look at it, it's a $50 vid card...

need to see if your motherboard supports PCI first before considering the card Pellinore suggested..
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Charlemagne Of Aachen
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Kay upgrading ur vid card is a must. The new games out are very gpu intensive because of the outstanding graphics. Also games like BF2 are limited not because of the cpu, but because of the graphics card, so even though you have an older 3000 + it should not affect your frames per second that much.

You could get a great gaming pc for about 3100 here...

http://www.cyberpowersystem.com/highendsys...ltraxlc.asp?v=d

This pc is a great deal and also recently set the record in the PC Games review this month. A comparable pc from voodoo or alienware runs over 6000 american dollars. Only thing I would do is add another gig of ram for a total of 2 gigs Kay.

My friend just bought a 2000 dollar laptop with a Nvidia 6800ultra go vid card and couldnt oplay bf2 with it cause the framerates were too slow.
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Elrich of Gaul
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Woot.!! that's my motherboard.!!!
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stoicblitzer
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that computer you suggest there, charlemagne, can be built for around $2000.

FX 5200? :lol: you running a MTW/VI setup i think. :lol:

if you want the most possibilities to upgrade in the future, i do suggest upgrading to a PCI-e mobo. socket 939 + SLi is your best bet. 512 MB ram is good enough.
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Charlemagne Of Aachen
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that computer you suggest there, charlemagne, can be built for around $2000.


The dual 7800 GTXs and the AMD FX57 alone cost about 2000$ you nooblet!! :P
The FX 57 is 1011$ at NewEgg and the 7800 GTX's start at about 460$ each and theres 2 of em in the comp I put up.... :lol:

To build that comp it would cost more than what there selling it for.... :)

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512 MB ram is good enough.


No way.... When I run BF2 thers almost 800 meg running.... 1 GIG is minimal these days, and 2 gigs protects you for the future, unless you only play games Pong, Donkey Kong and Pac Man like Blitz.... hehehe :P

With the graphics being as beautifuul as they are these days you wanna get a comp fast enough to play at max settings while getting good frame rates.. :)
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stoicblitzer
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:lol:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16811144095 is case. $150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16820145440 is mem. $89
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16813131517 is mobo. $164
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16819103558 is cpu. $1011
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16814143039 is 2x 7800. $918
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16822144160 is 2x HDD. $360
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16822144422 is 3rd HDD. $92
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16827130045 is DVDrom. $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16827131256 is DVDrw. $40

TOTAL: 2784+shipping...2800.00

if you tweak a few things, more money could be saved. like getting GT instead of GTX could save you almost $300. getting FX-55 cpu saves you $200. getting just one 250GB hdd saves you $360, or just keeping the 2 raptors and ditching the huge HDD saves you $92.

so there is a potential to have a l33t pc that beats anything out there for about $2200. ($1940 if you ditch the raptors) :D


phew!

p.s. i have 1gb of memory and room for more. :P
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Charlemagne Of Aachen
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power supply 90$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList....&Go.x=9&Go.y=38

a sound card... say another 100$ for a budget 7.1 card

plus the liquid cooling system and fans 150$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList....Go.x=20&Go.y=37

for a grand total of 3120$ plus delivery on the parts, and no 1 year warranty and support...
The one on the site sells for 2999$ and shipping is free :)
Computer Gaming World 255 does a complete review on it....

This comps a sweet deal cause you cant even build one for the same ammount. It uses the fastest and best of everything... :D
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stoicblitzer
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well, the sound is onboard, meaning it has no sound card. it is a great deal...*drools*
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Kay of Sauvage
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if you want the most possibilities to upgrade in the future, i do suggest upgrading to a PCI-e mobo. socket 939 + SLi is your best bet


Yeah... Exactly what I was thinking too... :blink: :lol:

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plus the liquid cooling system and fans 150$


OMG! Is thing using a carburetor or fuel injection? I see that the HDD there runs at 10,000 RPMs! Am I gonna have to replace the fan belt every few months? Do they have a ten year warranty in case my transmission blows?
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Charlemagne Of Aachen
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HEHEHE :lol:
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stoicblitzer
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i think it is a carburator. :lol:
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Kay of Sauvage
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So I could use some more ram... I have 512 now. Is there anything wrong with this ram for 9.99: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/se...No=628069&Tab=5

Can there be some sort of compatibility problem with the ram I have now? BTW, this offer expires October 30th, so that's very near. Need to decide soon.

I'm gonna get a new video card too. You guys have said that my motherboard might be the limiting factor on that, so I'll try to find what motherboard I have this evening. Though I don't know how much of a difference a $350 card would make compared to say, a $200 card... I would think the difference from a $50 card to a $200 card would be two-fold or something, while the difference from a $200 card to a $350 card would be only slight improvement. I'm just guessing because I would think the best/newest tech comes with a high premium for people who will spare no expense to get the best possible...
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stoicblitzer
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:o great deal that is. whats the catch?

make sure u have this in your computer currently:PC3200 DDR 400MHz Memory before you buy memory and make sure you have an open slot. i recommend using everest home edition to find out what your pc contains. http://www.lavalys.com/products/download.php?pid=1〈=en
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antoine of padou
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welcome to: TOTAL WAR COMPUTER BUILD UP- :lol:

i dont know what u guys are talknig about,when i turn my computer on and i set up all of the settings at the maximum,i can hear my computer laughing and saying thats all u get! ;)


have fun,antoine :ph43r:
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Kay of Sauvage
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Motherboard Name  Asus K8V SE Deluxe (5 PCI, 1 AGP, 1 WiFi, 3 DDR DIMM, Audio, Gigabit LAN, IEEE-1394) 
Motherboard Chipset  VIA VT8383 Apollo K8T800, AMD Hammer 
System Memory  512 MB (PC3200 DDR SDRAM) 


Ok, so theres the motherboard and then the RAM... RAM looks good there... but I also see this information:

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SPD Memory Modules: 
  DIMM1: Nanya M2U51264DS8HC1G-5T  512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz) (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) 


So is that saying that my RAM is 200 MHz or somethin? I only remember seeing speeds of 400 or 366 or something like that... So is my speed ok? And I thought I read you could have different RAM, but then you'll won't get the best optimization you could get if you had 2 slots filled with the same RAM type. Should I just get 2 of these babies? Looks like you can only get 1 rebate per household, but I think I'd be able to work out a deal with someone :)

And the motherboard... will that be sufficient for a good video card? What should I get? I guess I should get a PCI Express card?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...1476861&CatId=0
This one seems to be one made to use that Dual Video Card technology, where you use 2 video cards at once. Would it work on it's own with my motherboard or would I need a different motherboard? With this, maybe in the future I could get a 2nd one and have em run together :)


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...1547478&CatId=0

This one seems like it's a downgrade from the other one? I don't need any of the special outlets either like CATV... So maybe I shouldn't consider this one?

I saw some 512 MB cards for around 100 bucks. I guess they won't be that good then... Right?

Help! :) Thanks
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Pellinore of Northumbria
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Kay,

Typically the issue with cheap RAM is a higher failure rate out of the box and possibly a shorter life span. Just make sure you can return it if it doesn't work.

Pellinore
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stoicblitzer
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you have 3 available slots for memory, ok? one is filled with 512MB pc3200. you could buy two of those 512 sticks and fill all your slots and have 1536 MB(1.5GB) of ram. that is more than enough! just 1024 MB(2x512) is fine and you still have a slot open for more. ;)

as for the pci-express, Asus K8V SE Deluxe (5 PCI, 1 AGP, 1 WiFi, 3 DDR DIMM, Audio, Gigabit LAN, IEEE-1394); thats a very good motherboard but it does not support pci-express. if you are willing to spend $300 on a video card, then you can just stick with AGP and get a video card that will run anything perfectly on max, for awhile. as games get more high-tech, you will eventually need pci-e to keep up. i foresee this happening within 2 years.

back to agp, i am not too familiar with ATI myself, but i am very familiar with nvidia and they will probably save you some money. also, nvidia is recommended by CA (on back of box it has nvidia logo) for RTW. so i am going to proceed to show you AGP video card with nvidia chipsets. another thing, tigerdirect is good for pictures but newegg is way better for prices. some good agp nvidia video cards from newegg: (im partial to leadtek brand)
nvidia 6800gt=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814119144
nvidia 6800=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814122193
nvidia 6600gt=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814122206 (i have this one)
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Elrich of Gaul
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Kay, as Pellinore said, for the difference in price between cheap ram and medium ram, go with the medium. Cheap ram can be faulty, leak and what not and can you return it.? can it be returned for full refund or partial.?

As Blitz pointed out, two sticks of 512 decent ram will be more than enough to set you up for quite a while.

Also, as he pointed out, that motherboard isnt PCI express. Literally, this means that the slot for the video card is AGP (older way of fitting video cards) and the new boards support (PCI, new video cards) so if you can muster up the extra few bucks for the PCI board, then do it. I have the ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe... it has plenty of options for upgrading to SATA drives if you wish or sticking with IDE drives. You can add a second Video Card (PCI Express) if you wish so instead of purchasing an out of this world $600+ video card, you can purchase a cheaper one and simply buy another to double it up via the SLI option to make it an Ubber card.!!

Start with the motherboard... that's what's going to determine how far you can actually go in the future. Saving a few bucks now will eventually end up costing you much more in the future by having to change everything.

My Video Card 6600 GT 128 mb PCI Express
My Motherboard Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe

Definitely worth the read on the performance of the Vid card and the Motherboard
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