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| Mercurius of Cappadocia | Jan 10 2011, 07:49 AM Post #1 |
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Well Seahawk history, I'd say.... And a game-winning run in a playoff game featuring the worst team in playoff history (Seattle) against last year's champions. http://www.seahawks.com/videos-photos/vide...c3-045158d29d8c This play was pretty sweet too: http://www.seahawks.com/videos-photos/vide...ab-95635718e39e And this: http://www.seahawks.com/videos-photos/vide...fc-44a1eafa5936 And this stopped 4th down was pretty great too: http://www.seahawks.com/videos-photos/vide...93-bb4f872f87e8 |
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| shrspeedblade | Jan 18 2011, 04:32 AM Post #2 |
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Thanks for posting that Merc, I read about it but hadn't seen it. Too bad they let the bears get up on them in the first half last Sunday. And Tony Dorsett's 99 yard touchdown run is still the best in league history!
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| Mercurius of Cappadocia | Jan 19 2011, 06:29 AM Post #3 |
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Bah.. yeah... seems like everytime Seattle makes it into the playoffs we run into a buzzsaw during a snowstorm. Pittsburgh, Greenbay, Chicago.... all big snow storms and tough, physical teams. Chicago knocked us out early and there was no fighting back in that snow and with that crowd. would've happened last week, probably, but we had an improbably fantastic game.... last week. |
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| stoicblitzer | Jan 19 2011, 11:24 PM Post #4 |
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seattle was who i thought they were. |
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| Barrett of Maidstone | Jan 20 2011, 12:42 PM Post #5 |
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This is why football(with the feet) is far more entertaining than football(with the hands) |
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| stoicblitzer | Jan 20 2011, 12:49 PM Post #6 |
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they should turn the arena football league into a 2nd division and relegate the worst teams in the nfl there. then promote some teams from the arena football division or w/e. also, they would turn arena football into nfl rules. 1st division: NFL, 4 relegation spots 2nd division: American Football League, 6 or something promotion spots and then have a playoff to decide who gets the bottom 3 promotion spots. this is nearly exactly what they have in the premier league in england on a much larger scale. there's like a billion divisions there. i'm sick of seeing shitty teams like seahawks, panthers, 49ers, etc. let them go to another division and battle it out down there and give some new teams a chance. we all love Cinderella stories anyway. |
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| shrspeedblade | Jan 23 2011, 06:04 AM Post #7 |
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I prefer some scoring in the games I watch LOL! |
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| Kronos | Jan 23 2011, 12:23 PM Post #8 |
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I prefer a game in the games I watch instead of 5 hours of adverts and commentary. |
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| Sir Lambert of Lancs | Jan 23 2011, 03:32 PM Post #9 |
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amen!
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| Barrett of Maidstone | Jan 23 2011, 08:41 PM Post #10 |
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Wow what a moronic thing to say |
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| Mercurius of Cappadocia | Jan 23 2011, 09:28 PM Post #11 |
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Yeah and a 7-9 team can beat the defending champions in the playoffs.... Cinderella eh? I don't think you could adequately predict who the best and worst teams will be.... this isn't soccer or baseball where the financial structure of the league allows certain teams to remain perennial all-stars.
You watch a lot of Football games, Bazzy? You played it in High School, I presume? Got out on your local pitch and tossed some pigskin around with your neighborhood buddies? Watched the Superbowl with your family and friends? I played 20 years of soccer... played in college, played for my state team, played in tournaments in Europe and Asia, played year round on multiple teams for many years. And I played other sports at times as well.... I love soccer, but there is nothing comparable to American Football.... nothing as physical, nothing as organized (receivers running routes timed to the second)... some of the biggest and the fastest athletes.... the most intensity short of hand-to-hand combat. The planning for every play is incredibly elaborate, and the whole crowd holds its breath for every snap of the ball. Intense 10 second burst of combat, then 20 seconds of rest, then another intense 10 seconds... for 1.5 hours, with beer at the breaks. If you don't have anything on the line, if you've never been in a crowd or on the field, you can't know the intensity.... In this play I showed, the receiver takes a dive to fake out the defender, while the entire rest of the team runs to the opposite direction--then the receiver jumps up and runs into a wide open end zone. Beautiful play calling, brilliant design, and flawless execution. http://www.seahawks.com/videos-photos/vide...ab-95635718e39e Soccer has some dead ball plays, defensive coverage schemes, offsides traps, and some variations in formations that yield different styles of games. There are attitudinal and talent differences in players and teams that translate to difference in styles of play. Yes, and American football is all of that times 10. Quite different beasts with different games.... You can't enjoy one based on the reasons you enjoy the other.
They have these new gadgets called DVR's... been around for most of a decade now. |
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| Kronos | Jan 23 2011, 10:41 PM Post #12 |
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Go back 25+ years in football (soccer) and it was completely different and you had fairly equal finances and the like but sky and the Premiership killed that, but even then you had perrenial winners, who are now the financial powerhouses (except Man City and Chelsea who's owners bought success).
one of the big draws of watching sports is watching it live, it simply isn't as exciting otherwise and even with a dvr you need someone to edit out all the adverts for you. Quite simply American Football loses it's intensity and is too much based upon stratergy. You have the same level of stratergy in Football (soccer) however it's continuous which keeps the intensity and excitment up. Go watch the 2005 CL final for example and compare that to the best superbowl you can remember. Also in Football Goals actually mean something, whereas in alot of other sports you score so much it diminishes the feeling. |
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| stoicblitzer | Jan 23 2011, 10:54 PM Post #13 |
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the lions, 49ers, raiders, seahawks, cards, rams, and panthers have been terrible nearly every year for like 10 years with a few stand out seasons. seahawks beat the champs and ya that was great but 9 times out of 10, the saints shoulda won. that's why they play the game cuz of that 1 in 10 chance. I'm not trying to downplay their accomplishment with a new head coach and all. I just think the nfl should have relegation and shorter games. too many commercials kill it for me. i've watched football since i can remember so I know the feeling and everything but soccer with its fewer scoring chances makes each one a memorable moment. for example, i still remember iniesta's goal in barca v chelsea CL 2009 semi in extra time. as much as i hated it, it's still burned in my mind. ruined my week lmao. kickoff, commercial, punt, commercial, injury, commercial, td, commercial, kickoff, commercial, punt, commercial, interception, commercial, 2 min warning, commercial, end of quarter, commercial, end of half, commercial, timeout, commercial, booth/coachs challenge, commercial. |
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| YellowMelon | Jan 24 2011, 02:02 AM Post #14 |
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Uhumm. Hockey is the best. |
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| Barrett of Maidstone | Jan 24 2011, 02:32 AM Post #15 |
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Ive seen enough american football over the years (its shown alot late night here) to make my own judgements, and i believe they are fair. The only live game ive ever been to was the saints vs the chargers at wembley in 2008. For me i didnt feel the same emotions you describe inbetween each play. Its possible this could be attributed to the fact it wasnt an all american crowd, my lack of knowlege concerning the history of the two clubs etc etc The point is the crowd would get excited and then it would fall flat, the cheers and backing would be great at a build to a play and then it would all die again. In a soccer game this backing is continuous, the commitment the fans give contribute largely to the point where it feels like a team has 12 players and not 11. As far as playing goes i never did anything more than simply play "catch" with the pigskin and that was only because it was more entertaining than a cricket ball. The competition just isnt here. The only physical sport that has a large prescence here is rugby but i know you guys dont really have an interest in it. American football tactically is a brilliant game, but to me, as a spectator sport i cant see how spending a whole afternoon watching half a game and half an advert for gatorade can be worthwhile. The lack of diversity in your teams and leagues system bothers me as well. Sure you have high school leagues and what not but where does the average joe go to get his shot at representing a top team if he doesnt get his shot to trial. Here we have multiple leagues that go all the way down to grass roots where everyone is competitive. Every year the FA cup brings the semi-pro player/painter/carpenter/pub landlord onto the same pitch as world class professionals, and quite often there are upsets. These upsets are where dreams are made and that is what makes soccer exciting and unpredictable. Many a premiership player isnt famous today because he came through the ranks at a youth academy, hes there because he scored a last minute equaliser for some "Maidstone Town" against a premiership team. When your home team in the nfl league is no longer competing, who do you support then? Do you have another town/city nearby that you follow who are in a lower division or do you have to go to the high school ranks or a completely different state? I agree that both games offer a different calibre of athlete. However the diversity of athlete is far greater in soccer. Being fast/strong is not a pre requisite here and especially in the european/south american game, the technique and game sense some players have in soccer cannot be seen in american football. The plays may be genius and the quaterback "world class" but at the end of the day its all scripted and not done in the here and now. |
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| Mercurius of Cappadocia | Jan 24 2011, 03:36 AM Post #16 |
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I guess you need to watch some of those clips I posted.... only 1 of the 3 played out as scripted. yes, you can watch various sports as intellectual activities to broaden your experience of the world, but if you don't have something at stake in a game... players you follow, a team, etc... then how you going to conjure any intensity? Yeah... the 12th player phenom... clearly applies in American football (particularly since the quarterback can call "audibles"... alternative plays in reaction to defensive schemes.... it helps the home team if the opponent cannot hear their audibles). Seattle has always had a loud "12th player", going back to when the team played in the Kingdome (a loud, cement dome). They used to show the decibel readings on the big screen. Now they bring out famous retired players to raise the 12th man flag before games at their new stadium. They all swing towels labeled "12th player".... Lame as it sounds.... |
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| Mercurius of Cappadocia | Jan 24 2011, 03:45 AM Post #17 |
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We've never had a great system for soccer development. We have school leagues, private leagues of various ranks, state teams, and some national development team (which has morphed over the years into various things). Our professional leagues have come and gone at various times, and don't have the draw to bring out the major talent from the youth ranks.... hard to tell a top athlete to invest in soccer over any other sport. Everyone dreams of famous things.... We do seem to have a much better national infrastructure now, from what I hear... they keep a larger list of people to track (around a thousand, i hear) and send them to camps sponsored by sporting goods companies. It's not organic, as it would be in Europe... it has to be organized and funded top/down here. I'm not sure if they still have the state team system now, but haven't heard otherwise. Crowds at soccer in the US... utterly pathetic compared to anything anywhere else. And nothing for youth... High school football could bring out 1-5k, and 30-40k for championships. Soccer? Lucky if you had your parents there.... It was mezmerizing when we went to Europe to play for a month of youth ball... we played one small town team in southern Germany in just a random friendly match, out of season... the whole f***ing town showed up, waving flags, and shouting who knows what in deutch. Yeah, a different ballgame.... |
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| Mercurius of Cappadocia | Jan 24 2011, 06:34 AM Post #18 |
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Then start your DVR, go take a shower or a take a woman or man, and watch it 30-50 minutes delayed. Fast forward over the commercials. ![]() Hah... well, sure, it would be great if they didn't play commercials. It would be an amazing political achievement to get commercials out of TV.... DVR is easier.... hah Every sport has its reason to watch for those who have the time and interest..... |
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| Sir Lambert of Lancs | Jan 24 2011, 07:19 AM Post #19 |
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bottom line what it all comes down is which game you have a more in depth knowledge of and a deeper connection to both games are great to their own for their own reason for me growing up, living and playing the sport I just dont feel american football has what it use to the caliber of player is not lower or higher just different however what i can get into and respect with European futbol is their deep love of their teams etc to answer your question bazz, most of the time when a persons home team doesnt perform and they cant support them anymore then usally they will go for any team against the team that knocked them out or for any team that is palying against their teams biggest rival |
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| Kronos | Jan 24 2011, 03:44 PM Post #20 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26Ju8-AzH6I |
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| Sir Lambert of Lancs | Jan 24 2011, 05:22 PM Post #21 |
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flares! |
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| Mercurius of Cappadocia | Jan 25 2011, 06:04 AM Post #22 |
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Dear lord.... that's insane. Those are city teams, eh? And I bet the coaching is equally insane. We were kids heading into college... can't imagine anything like that for kids that age in the US. Seriously, for youth soccer that age, you might have half the parents there, and a couple of sisters who were forced to attend, sitting in lawn chairs next to the field..... Coaching in the US ranges from a parent with a soccer manual to former pro players, heavily weighted on the amateurs. Also anybody with a European accent can get a job.... lol. I once had a wrestling coach show up to coach my High School soccer team for a season, and not sporting a euro accent...had to explain to him what a 4-4-2 was.... and that would be our feeble equivalent to pre-professional levels in Europe, which is bull#### of course. |
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| Mercurius of Cappadocia | Jan 25 2011, 06:31 AM Post #23 |
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Lol... here... some kind of youth "club" soccer in the US, and purporting to be the Oregon state championships for U-14 soccer... must be top teams from affiliated leagues spread out across the state. Hardly a person there who isn't kicking a ball.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzEmrffmRsM&feature=related Spotty play, lol.. some talent out there (check out the feed by Red #17 at 3:00)....11 is good too. Wouldn't be surprised, however, if either of them were on the national watch list, attending clinics, playing for a state team or other. and it's all simultaneously cringe-worthy. |
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| Dinadan of Logris | Jan 25 2011, 10:37 AM Post #24 |
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Cool faulting skillz. Goal shooting not a focus, apparently.
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| shogun888 | Feb 17 2011, 04:34 AM Post #25 |
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can our american friends keep me in touch with any new signings the pats will be making in the close season, and how many years do you think brady has left at the top |
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| stoicblitzer | Feb 17 2011, 01:22 PM Post #26 |
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boo pats |
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| shogun888 | Feb 17 2011, 11:56 PM Post #27 |
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I only started following american football few years back when the pats lost that unbelievable last game of the season.. heartbreaker |
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| Kay of Sauvage | Feb 24 2011, 12:29 AM Post #28 |
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I'm sure there are places you can get that information as it happens. I have personalized Google News sections that show headlines about my favorite teams. I have an ESPN app on my iPhone that has all my favorite teams' news stories on one page. ESPN also has all the transactions listed and dated for each individual team (though often a lot of boring transactions, like contract extensions for some fringe players, or appointing staff like assistant coaches). Regarding American football and a promotion/relegation system, I think the big problem there is the salary cap system. Even if a team has a ton of money and can buy any players they want, the limiting factor is how much cap room they have to be able to get the player to sign. So teams rarely dominate the league for many years, and teams rarely are at the bottom forever. I think the worst joke of a team can't be assumed to be a lost cause each year because they can change things around quickly with some smart personnel decisions. They have the same amount to spend on players wages as any other team, so don't really have a money disadvantage. Though, I'd always like to see a promotion/relegations system just to add importance to more games, not just the ones involving potential playoff contenders. |
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| Flintoff of Lancashire | Feb 24 2011, 02:14 AM Post #29 |
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meah couldnt be arsed to read all that but you wanna see a score? check this bad boy out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6W0IqUcL60 like me back in my prime.... |
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| shogun888 | Feb 24 2011, 04:30 AM Post #30 |
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he looks a little overweight anyway, he s on course to be the record try scorer in a 6 nation tournie, hope we be seeing more of the swallow dive and love to see johnson face if he ever did drop one |
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