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What do you guys think of Tier system?
Topic Started: Jun 30 2011, 07:57 PM (632 Views)
Antigonus

Hey RTK,

Just a quick survey as to what you guys think of Tier system in the current game. Do you like it? By the way, which Tier are you currently in? How do you find your competition?

I am not sure about you but I think in this game this is a bit interesting situation. In all of previous games there was plenty of clans that competed with each other - either in lobbies or in tournaments. In fact we all have a lengthy history with one another. In this game however, the tiers are packed with 5000 member clans that are clans only in name. They are more like communities of people with absolutely nothing in common save perhaps for their country of origin, which is what makes them find a place online. The real clans of TW MP community are still only a hanful but from what I see we are able to hold our own with few players vs a sea of clans with hundreds and sometimes of thousands players. Some clans are dealing with it on the battlefield, others tend to manipulate the system.

The other day I saw Arcani had a second clan group created for new members. I am not sure if that's done to sort of keep the recruits separate or to keep stats separate, but I was just wondering how do you find this whole system and what are you thoughts.

Antigonus
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Dinadan of Logris
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We havn't put an effort into competing since the tier reset.

The conquest system is uninteresting to RTK on this scale. My personal opinion is that a MMO system without a chokepoint is silly and even more so when you are able to conquer territory by playing limitless random encounters in what's supposedly a "clan competition".
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Antigonus

Which reset are you referring to, Din? They do one every six days I believe. Also, which tier have you been fighting in?

I agree with you on the lack of "clan" aspect in random 1v1 encounters. It's almost impossible to get 3v3 game in Match Made, and it is completely impossible to get a 4v4 game. So all the conquests, as you said, are done by a sea of 1v1 games which are indeed poor indicator's of clan's competition.

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Mercurius of Cappadocia
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That system is broken for a few reasons... no cap on clan sizes, they only count wins, and there have been damaging exploits since the beginning (people f4ing out of losses).

We got to Tier1/1 after the first 4 rounds, but that's when we stopped playing, due to the ridiculousness of the group sizes. Then CW reset the servers and bumped us back to 2/2 where we reside today, making zero effort to go up.

We'll probably jump on it again when the tourney season subsides, as it's pretty entertaining when the map is winnable by a reasonably sized groups (well, we beat several 300+ groups). 2/2 is competitive, 1/1 is not.

Yes... several clans became borg groups instantly to compete with this silly tier system. Samarai try to recruit everyone, essentially.... WoC went large, Dragons went large, Longs have a few hundred players, and so forth....

I didn't know Arcani had a group for new members, and I'd guess that is entirely about the stats.

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I think you're gay.
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Antigonus

Hey Merc, good to see you...

As painful as it is, I have to admit that I can't literally argue with the fact that large clans/groups get all the perks. After all, you know I have always been a fan of realism, and in war one can't complain about enemy army's size as being unfair. However, that said, you are absolutely right about the system lacking tremendously for counting only wins!!! Any game a clan losses should penalize it somehow on the battle map. If not, then indeed this game is designed just for activity and no clan/community improvement at all. Also, on ALT F4, I believe it counts as a loss if you disconnect, regarless of the means. So at least that aspect was fixed.

We just got to Tier 2. Tier 3-4 are insane with Russian clans of 1500 players and some big communities like Total War Poland and Total War England with 500+ members. I can only imagine from your account what to expect in Tier 1. There are probably no clans there - just huge community groups. I am glad that RTK kept to it's code and didn't water down the bloodline as many other clans have done. Well, we just won Tier 3 and moved into Tier 2, and we only had 4 members. It is hard and almost impossible it seems at times to compete with the flow of Polish and Russian players. I am not including the long established Polish and Russian clans into this because their reputation was established long before.

As to Arcani... I saw that they had another group created called Arcani Public, and it had names of players I have never heard of before. One of the name's I did recognize - it was Merrick. I also figured it was for stats purposes. Whatever works I guess.

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Dagonet of Rus
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Oh Anti, you always say that! "I'm all for realism but *something*" :D

The fact is is that no matter how good an mp system, there will be clans who don't think it fits properly and will build external tournaments with arbitrary controls. TW has never and probably never will show an aptitude for catering to mp elitists like ourselves :-p

Anyhew, not played the game, I expect they're just waiting for me before they patch it to perfection with a 30 petabyte patch.

Happy Hunting.
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Antigonus,Jun 30 2011
09:48 PM
As to Arcani... I saw that they had another group created called Arcani Public

A group for friends AFAIK. Pretty sure I got an invite before STW.
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Antigonus

I do? B)

Anyways, I think that at this point all the competition between groups and clans takes place in the top 6 spots of most tiers. It's relatively easy to remain in a tier only casually playing and capturing 3-4 provinces. I think WoC has the same approach as you guys do.

Well, best wishes, and happy hunting, as always.

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The other day I saw Arcani had a second clan group created for new members. I am not sure if that's done to sort of keep the recruits separate or to keep stats separate, but I was just wondering how do you find this whole system and what are you thoughts.


Thats just our public group that anyone can join so we can keep a list of friends/people to play with. Fyi Merrick is our founder and still in the clan.

We haven't competed in the tier system since about the 2nd week, it's compeltely worthless. Infact I beleive we only play avatar mode at all when we can't find games on classic.
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What it did succeed in doing well, was in clan alliances and eventual backstabbing. Thinking you had a strong alliance, only to find that the day before reset, your ally had wiped out half your provinces. Loved the political aspects :mtwcheers:
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Antigonus

Hey Grendy,

Which clan betrayed you guys?

Also, just a suggestion, which I am sure you can decline if you wish, but I am under the opinion that a few actual MP clans that have played this series for a while, should bond and control Tier one.

I know our community is very small, but you guys have some of the best players in TW. We are going to try to make it to Tier one with a few hours left. Once there we will also simply remain there. We hope that RTK and Warriors of Crom for example can make it there too and then we can literally maintain an alliance of sort - non aggression pact.

I knwo there is no actual prize or gain from it to anyone, but I believe that we all belong in Tier one. These communities have the numbers, but we have our history, guys. I don't want to get into the whole William Wallace speech, but I suggest a mutual non agression pact.

Anyways, if your command decides to take us on that offer, I promise you, and I have never betrayed anyone in my life (real or game) that we will have a small alliance that may allow other clans some hope in Tier one. But I suggest we draft something for other clans and take Tier one for the real TW MP community.

What do you guys say?

Anti
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Dagonet of Rus
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Antigonus,Jul 3 2011
07:06 PM


I know our community is very small, but you guys have some of the best players in TW.

Anti

Yeah, but dollar and I aren't playing atm. Shame about the rest of artykay :)
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Antigonus

All righty, guys

Good luck in your games! :)

Anti
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Lional of Cornwall
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hi Anti,

A non-aggression pact seems to be fine with us, but tbh atm we are not motivated enough to get to tier 1.

GL with your quest.
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Antigonus

Well,

It was an insane push yesterday... So many clans were just coming at us left and right. And it's hard to fight these huge numbers. Yet we won Tier 2 yesterday, taking the first place. All six Immortals put up a lot of wins. Today we find ourselves in Tier 1 and it is indeed as you said. Heir of Carthage community owns most of the lands here. Every clan is in thousands, some in high hundreds.

Anyways, if you gents ever muster the numbers to make it here, it would be an honor to fight alongside you. Until then, best wishes in Tier 2. At this stage every top stop in every tier below 4th is hotly contested. You will need massive effort to make it guys, but I hope to see you here sooner rather than later. Also the season in Tier 2 was rather short - only three days! I don't wish that on anyone. :)

Good luck

Anti

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Yoshida of Ryūkyū
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How did you manage that? I swear I saw a German clan ahead of us by 1 province before I went off Steam. I didn't see Immortals in the top 2. Considering you have such a small clan, it appears you guys must have played pretty rigorously to achieve that. Well done I guess.

I don't really think that the tier system measures a clans 'capacity' fairly. As such I only move my little avatar piece on the map at the request of the rest of the people in my clan. I'd much prefer to enter a prestigious tournament with other clans and win that as opposed to being the first clan in the tier system for example. It just has more merit, imo.
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Then why don't you? :D
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Antigonus

Which clan were you in Yosh?

Yeah we went all out. Pushing ourselves to the limit and proving that it's possible to win against incredible odds. If not for anything else, it is an achievement I think for every single Immortal to be able to say that we made it to Tier 1 at this point in time, when the tier competition is simply insane and quantity simply rules the quality. Some of the clans in Tier 1 today have had the benefit of never fighting hard through tiers because the competition back in that day was minimal and most were not even leveled. But now, it's a nightmare...

As I said, getting to Tier 1 may not always measure the skill, but in some instances it still does. And it also proves that quality can triumph over numbers. I believe that all of the clans that have a history in TW can do the same thing. The question is of course activity of the clan and the goal itself. For us the goal was to be able to have that on a resume. It matters. And as I said earlier, I believe that all old TW clans (or new clans that have old members) belong in Tier 1.

Anti
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How many ######ing times are you going to end a conversation in this thread with a "gl statement' and then just jump back in?

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Antigonus

Frankly I am not sure why RTK even allows you to post this nonsense in threads where your presence is neither wanted nor needed. Thankfully, I believe they have a few former admins of community sites where such nonsense was considered trolling so they might delete your unnecessary comment.

Anti


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Yoshida of Ryūkyū
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@ Anti
Bushido clan dude.

@ Din
Hush your gums mang... I'm trying!
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Anti has to have the last word. Always.
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Drowningpool
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what a douchebag
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Yoshida of Ryūkyū
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You mad guys? Why you mad tho?
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Dagonet of Rus
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Anti, the portcullis forum mod is also our most accomplished troll.

Besides, it's neutral territory. You're more than welcome here mate, don't let the rednecks put you off :)
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Dinadan of Logris
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We don't delete posts here unless things get real bad. That doesn't happen often. Trolling is rather.. indulged :D
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Yoshida of Ryūkyū
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If memory serves, it is not indulged when it's aimed at the right-wing nut jobs. Lotta yer 'ere ar' real picky 'n' choosy 'bout stuff. :study:
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Dagonet of Rus
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Yes, choosy, though it might appear we let in any old braggart these days ;)

The thread that got culled was getting a lot angrier than does anyone any good, not to mention that different standards are applied to the behaviour of rtk.
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Yoshida of Ryūkyū
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Braggart? Alriiiighty then.
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Braver Pleinair
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Tier system? whats that again?
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Dinadan of Logris
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In the "clan competition" part of the game, Steam groups registered as clans compete within tiers and groups, and at the end of each conquest period, two are moved a tier up and two are moved down.
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