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Post #1 Dec 6 2007, 12:00 AM DaFranker
Let's make the point of this thread obvious by example:

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"By the thousands, fools find problems to arrange, by the single, unwanted ones you have to solve." -- DaFranker

"A single love you can have, but endless are the ways you can divide and give it." -- DaFranker

"There is no destiny, there is no future. There is no history, there is no past. There are only your memories, in the present." -- DaFranker

"The only real limits are the ones that we create, for our greatest limit is the one that we are." -- DaFranker

"Peace is but war, waged by other means." -- Unknown

"and good dreams I wish you not as for concentration they help but myself." -- Unknown

"If one man asks another what a Hacker is
And the other man answers him,
Neither of them knows it."
—Borrowed Zen Proverb

"If you understand them,
Things are as they are;
If you do not understand them,
Things are as they are."
—Gensha

"Rare are those who can surpass me, yet even rarer are those whom I can look down upon." -- DaFranker

"My own energy is my doom, my own doom is my energy." -- DaFranker

Sometimes you have to remember where you came from and where you're going. Other times, you just need to know what you are. -- DaFranker

"In homage to the place that made us, let us live on it, take it for granted, and never complained. Earth." -- DaFranker

Time does not exist. It is a very ingenious -- and devious -- creation of our ancestors, made so that those who came after had a chance to understand that which is. Themselves. -- DaFranker

What exists? What we perceive, and decide that exists. Why do dreams not exist, then? There exists no reason. -- DaFranker


Those are quotes. Yes. So, this is another thread for wisdom quotes? Not quite. I'd like this to stick to this forum's rules -- serious stuff only, please. Moreover, anything that's related to wisdom, quasi-wisdom or meta-wisdom is welcome -- songs, texts, links to other websites/forums, quotes, poems, rants, or even pictures, videos, and totally abstract things, as long as they have relevance.
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Post #2 Dec 6 2007, 03:21 PM InfernoTsunami
The Hacker Manifesto

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Written January 8, 1986

Another one got caught today, it's all over the papers. "Teenager Arrested in Computer Crime Scandal", "Hacker Arrested after Bank Tampering"...

Damn kids. They're all alike.

But did you, in your three-piece psychology and 1950's technobrain, ever take a look behind the eyes of the hacker? Did you ever wonder what made him tick, what forces shaped him, what may have molded him?

I am a hacker, enter my world...

Mine is a world that begins with school... I'm smarter than most of the other kids, this crap they teach us bores me...

Damn underachiever. They're all alike.

I'm in junior high or high school. I've listened to teachers explain for the fifteenth time how to reduce a fraction. I understand it. "No, Ms. Smith, I didn't show my work. I did it in my head..."

Damn kid. Probably copied it. They're all alike.

I made a discovery today. I found a computer. Wait a second, this is cool. It does what I want it to. If it makes a mistake, it's because I screwed it up. Not because it doesn't like me... Or feels threatened by me.. Or thinks I'm a smart ass.. Or doesn't like teaching and shouldn't be here...

Damn kid. All he does is play games. They're all alike.

And then it happened... a door opened to a world... rushing through the phone line like heroin through an addict's veins, an electronic pulse is sent out, a refuge from the day-to-day incompetencies is sought... a board is found. "This is it... this is where I belong..." I know everyone here... even if I've never met them, never talked to them, may never hear from them again... I know you all...

Damn kid. Tying up the phone line again. They're all alike...

You bet your ass we're all alike... we've been spoon-fed baby food at school when we hungered for steak... the bits of meat that you did let slip through were pre-chewed and tasteless. We've been dominated by sadists, or ignored by the apathetic. The few that had something to teach found us willing pupils, but those few are like drops of water in the desert.

This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and you call us criminals. We explore... and you call us criminals. We seek after knowledge... and you call us criminals. We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals. You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals.

Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for.

I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike.

That is all I have to say about that.
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Post #3 Dec 6 2007, 04:42 PM DaFranker
Ah, yes, how could one forget the Hacker Manifesto. There is more than one good lesson to learn from this, and not all lessons are learned by acquiring information, even these.

Here's a little less philosophical, but it can open up lots of subjects to think about. I know it was the case for me when I read it.

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[size=4]The Russell-Einstein Manifesto[/size]

Issued in London, 9 July 1955
Bertrand Russell and Albert Einstein


IN the tragic situation which confronts humanity, we feel that scientists should assemble in conference to appraise the perils that have arisen as a result of the development of weapons of mass destruction, and to discuss a resolution in the spirit of the appended draft.

We are speaking on this occasion, not as members of this or that nation, continent, or creed, but as human beings, members of the species Man, whose continued existence is in doubt. The world is full of conflicts; and, overshadowing all minor conflicts, the titanic struggle between Communism and anti-Communism.

Almost everybody who is politically conscious has strong feelings about one or more of these issues; but we want you, if you can, to set aside such feelings and consider yourselves only as members of a biological species which has had a remarkable history, and whose disappearance none of us can desire.

We shall try to say no single word which should appeal to one group rather than to another. All, equally, are in peril, and, if the peril is understood, there is hope that they may collectively avert it.

We have to learn to think in a new way. We have to learn to ask ourselves, not what steps can be taken to give military victory to whatever group we prefer, for there no longer are such steps; the question we have to ask ourselves is: what steps can be taken to prevent a military contest of which the issue must be disastrous to all parties?

The general public, and even many men in positions of authority, have not realized what would be involved in a war with nuclear bombs. The general public still thinks in terms of the obliteration of cities. It is understood that the new bombs are more powerful than the old, and that, while one A-bomb could obliterate Hiroshima, one H-bomb could obliterate the largest cities, such as London, New York, and Moscow.

No doubt in an H-bomb war great cities would be obliterated. But this is one of the minor disasters that would have to be faced. If everybody in London, New York, and Moscow were exterminated, the world might, in the course of a few centuries, recover from the blow. But we now know, especially since the Bikini test, that nuclear bombs can gradually spread destruction over a very much wider area than had been supposed.

It is stated on very good authority that a bomb can now be manufactured which will be 2,500 times as powerful as that which destroyed Hiroshima. Such a bomb, if exploded near the ground or under water, sends radio-active particles into the upper air. They sink gradually and reach the surface of the earth in the form of a deadly dust or rain. It was this dust which infected the Japanese fishermen and their catch of fish. No one knows how widely such lethal radio-active particles might be diffused, but the best authorities are unanimous in saying that a war with H-bombs might possibly put an end to the human race. It is feared that if many H-bombs are used there will be universal death, sudden only for a minority, but for the majority a slow torture of disease and disintegration.

Many warnings have been uttered by eminent men of science and by authorities in military strategy. None of them will say that the worst results are certain. What they do say is that these results are possible, and no one can be sure that they will not be realized. We have not yet found that the views of experts on this question depend in any degree upon their politics or prejudices. They depend only, so far as our researches have revealed, upon the extent of the particular expert's knowledge. We have found that the men who know most are the most gloomy.

Here, then, is the problem which we present to you, stark and dreadful and inescapable: Shall we put an end to the human race; or shall mankind renounce war? People will not face this alternative because it is so difficult to abolish war.

The abolition of war will demand distasteful limitations of national sovereignty. But what perhaps impedes understanding of the situation more than anything else is that the term "mankind" feels vague and abstract. People scarcely realize in imagination that the danger is to themselves and their children and their grandchildren, and not only to a dimly apprehended humanity. They can scarcely bring themselves to grasp that they, individually, and those whom they love are in imminent danger of perishing agonizingly. And so they hope that perhaps war may be allowed to continue provided modern weapons are prohibited.

This hope is illusory. Whatever agreements not to use H-bombs had been reached in time of peace, they would no longer be considered binding in time of war, and both sides would set to work to manufacture H-bombs as soon as war broke out, for, if one side manufactured the bombs and the other did not, the side that manufactured them would inevitably be victorious.

Although an agreement to renounce nuclear weapons as part of a general reduction of armaments would not afford an ultimate solution, it would serve certain important purposes. First, any agreement between East and West is to the good in so far as it tends to diminish tension. Second, the abolition of thermo-nuclear weapons, if each side believed that the other had carried it out sincerely, would lessen the fear of a sudden attack in the style of Pearl Harbour, which at present keeps both sides in a state of nervous apprehension. We should, therefore, welcome such an agreement though only as a first step.

Most of us are not neutral in feeling, but, as human beings, we have to remember that, if the issues between East and West are to be decided in any manner that can give any possible satisfaction to anybody, whether Communist or anti-Communist, whether Asian or European or American, whether White or Black, then these issues must not be decided by war. We should wish this to be understood, both in the East and in the West.

There lies before us, if we choose, continual progress in happiness, knowledge, and wisdom. Shall we, instead, choose death, because we cannot forget our quarrels? We appeal as human beings to human beings: Remember your humanity, and forget the rest. If you can do so, the way lies open to a new Paradise; if you cannot, there lies before you the risk of universal death.


Resolution:

WE invite this Congress, and through it the scientists of the world and the general public, to subscribe to the following resolution:

"In view of the fact that in any future world war nuclear weapons will certainly be employed, and that such weapons threaten the continued existence of mankind, we urge the governments of the world to realize, and to acknowledge publicly, that their purpose cannot be furthered by a world war, and we urge them, consequently, to find peaceful means for the settlement of all matters of dispute between them."

     
    Max Born
    Percy W. Bridgman
    Albert Einstein
    Leopold Infeld
    Frederic Joliot-Curie
    Herman J. Muller
    Linus Pauling
    Cecil F. Powell
    Joseph Rotblat
    Bertrand Russell
    Hideki Yukawa
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Post #4 Dec 7 2007, 11:44 PM AZNguns
"Youth ages, immaturity outgrown, ignorance taught, even drunkeness sobered, but STUPID lasts forever."

-Aristophanes

"I live for days like these, when the passage of time has lost meaning and the sun in the sky can appear in as many places as it wants. To gaze at the clouds and dream of wondrous things. They say indolence is only for the dregs of society, that is wrong. It is days like these that enrapture the mind causing it to imagine, and with the imagination there lies no limits,"

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You wade through the grief and the bloodshed. There are corpses around you they bleed the dust of the ancient Earth. You reach the mountain and climb it till you reach the summit. There he stands, the Dark Lord, the Ungodly One, the Bane of Redemption. He laughs at your feeble attempts of glory.
There is a flash of lightning and the boom of thunder and the corpses at the bottom of the mountain rise to watch your defeat. You roar, a roar that shakes the foundations of the heavens themselves. The gods peer down in wonder at the task your are about to perform.
Flames arise and a great conflagration burns a symbol in the sky, a lion and a dragon in battle. You smile at the image and draw your sword, it howls in anticipation in the coming blood-drawing. He pulls out a massive scythe it drips blood, the blood of men, the blood of women, the blood of children, the blood of the universe.
You are the last warrior, the last champion, the last messiah.
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Post #5 Dec 14 2007, 09:08 PM Flak
Whether or not this has been repeated in the forums, I care not. I merely wish to express it in relevancy to your own quotes.

"Peace is an accident, war is natural. Old men start it, young men fight it, everybody in the middle dies, and nobody tells the truth."
-Sylvester Stallone.

Heh. And here I was thinking some great Military Tactician utter that.
Ha ha.

"Don't die for your country, make some other dumb bastard die for his."
-General George S. Patton.

I love that one.
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Post #6 Oct 29 2008, 08:21 PM Azedos_Sodeza
"I am not conceited by quoting myself. -Azedos_Sodeza" --Me of course.

I'm sorry, that's an inside joke from another forum I visit and I felt like I had to post that.

Also epic necromancy. I am a level 20 necromancer.
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Rikai shita ka? Do you understand?
Kore ga Mono wo Kurosutte... This is what it means...
iu koto da....To kill things...

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Post #7 Oct 29 2008, 09:02 PM Flak
You guys love to add quotes that were repeated by yourself.

Egotistic maniacs...
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Post #8 Oct 31 2008, 05:42 PM DaFranker
Yes, I can assert to the fact that I, at least, am what you say in this regard.

Cleaned-up, corrected, textually-enhanced translation of a (relatively) recent conversation between me and a friend:

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DaFranker: I'm just trying to go beyond my limits and make the world a better place, help people.
Friend: Isn't that exactly why you're *not* selfish?
DaFranker: No, you're getting it all wrong. See, I try to make the world a better place by changing it. I change people into better people, so they can benefit from their own evolution.
Friend: Still the textbook definition of selflessness to me...
DaFranker: Look, you can't change something without changing yourself. That's a basic principle of elementary physics. Just like conservation of energy in chemistry.
DaFranker: In fact, they're the same principle, worded differently.
DaFranker: A particle that hits another particle and changes its course will also have altered its own course in the process.
Friend: So you're also evolving by making others evolve. Yeah. I got that. But won't it also mean you'll just be better at helping them.
DaFranker: No, that's just it. All I really care about is improving ME. If that wasn't there, I wouldn't be doing any of this. In fact, it would really sound like a lot of bullshit to me.
DaFranker: You see, all those plans I make to help people, change them, it's really just because I find it fun, and because I'm getting something out of it. I really don't care if it means crushing a personality, making people sad or outright manipulating the very thoughts, emotions and basically the essence of a person and who she is.
Friend: So you're trying to tell me that just because it's in your best interest to help people and that's why you do it, you're selfish? Don't you think that's also the case for everyone else, actually?
DaFranker: You don't understand the extent of it. I obviously have capabilities most people don't, you know that. I just don't use them correctly. Because I don't want to. I don't feel like it. Or whatever reason crosses my mind. It's all about me, really.
DaFranker: I know if I really poured myself into it, I'd have quite enough time in this life to make things right, at least for some people. Just that in itself would be a "victory", if I really thought that way. But I don't.
DaFranker: When I don't succeed, when I fail at helping someone, I don't exactly care. I'm actually happy that it happened, because I got more experience out of it than if I'd succeeded. And if the same situation happens, I might actually try to fail again on purpose, just so I can get that kind of experience again. Without regard for what I leave behind.
DaFranker: And before you say something again...
DaFranker: I know I could change this, change my personality, change myself so that I WOULD care, that I really would do things for the best. What makes me so bad is that I don't. I could care and I don't. I choose not to. I choose that every single moment of my life.
Friend: Okay. Um. You need a girlfriend.
DaFranker: You're kidding, right?
Friend: No, why should I?
DaFranker: Haven't I told you what happened the LAST time I got a girlfriend? No, actually, I don't think you could survive the trauma.
Friend: Okay, now I want to know. What happened?
DaFranker: Fine, you asked for it. I broke down and ground to a pulp her entire social network, shattered over three dozen friendships, and got around thirty people on the verge of really wanting to kill eachother.
DaFranker: It's actually lucky I got bored before that, but by then I'd already wrecked my girlfriend's mind enough that she didn't have anyone else but me to rely on, and all those people are still in a huge hypocritical cold war to this day.
DaFranker: Especially the girls.
DaFranker: You know how hypocritically bitchy they can get. Stealing boyfriends, framing people for stuff, lots of drama. Editing pictures in photoshop to show a girl's boyfriend a picture of his girl having sex with her father would be one example of the kind of stuff I caused.
Friend: Oh shit.
DaFranker: I'm not even exaggerating. This is the kind of stuff I cause through my actions just as casually as some people take the bus to go to work. And the thing is, the only reason I care and am telling you all this is because other people care, and I have to make myself understand them to be able to change them.
DaFranker: Pretty fucked up, eh?


I have no idea why I'm actually posting this out here and making this kind of personal stuff so public. Maybe it's because I don't care about the people here anymore, for the reasons mentioned above.

Take it for what worth you'll give it. Feel free to use any or all of it against me in any situation you feel like it -- I probably deserve that.

Yes, that text is heavily edited by me, but all the things said were really said, and the sense is intact. I just had to fill in the gaps that you wouldn't have understood, since in the original conversation we left out lots of things we already knew or understood, that I just had to mention here so you could understand what was going on.

Did I mention the original text was also in québécois?

As a side note, some of you will obviously assume I'm moping and being self-incriminating and am probably depressed and stuff. You'll also try to sympathize and tell me I'm not like that, that it's not really my fault, that it's just a bad phase, or any other thing of the sort. Don't. It'll be your waste of time if you do, and you might actually succeed in ruining my fun. If you do ruin my fun, I'm ruining yours, because as wise as I can be, I'm also a very practical person, and if taking down someone just so he won't get in my way later won't cause me too much trouble, I'll do it.

Being hypocritical just isn't as fun as making other people be hypocritical in your place.

If you can count at least ten ways I could mean the following sentence, then take all those for true. If you can't find at least ten, then all the ones you did find are false:

It's all about power.
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Post #9 Oct 31 2008, 07:15 PM Flak
Wisdom of the Fucking Day:

Its times like this that I wished DaFranker was deficient in fingers.

Or a tongue. Or toes. Or a nose. Or elbows. Or knees. Or a chin. Or appendages in general that are capable of scrupulously buttons on an input device such as a keyboard.

I hate you Franker. Shut up. Happy Halloween. ;)
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Post #10 Nov 2 2008, 08:07 PM DaFranker
Meh? I don't understand what you mean, Flak.

Why would you wish for me to not be able to give you ammunition to later throw at me in an argument? :P
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Post #11 Nov 2 2008, 08:18 PM Flak
Because it's volatile, heavy, and doesn't load into the weapon.

That entire phrase was a metaphor. But, you already knew that.
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Post #12 Nov 2 2008, 09:16 PM DaFranker
I love chess, especially when it's not played with a board and a set of pieces ^^
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"'You only think you are you barnpots,' shouted angry farmers from the meadows. 'Shut that row up! You're frightening the chickens, you lot and your bloody philosophy. You can't eat philosophy can you? Where would you be if us farmers went round spouting statements like that, eh? Dead, that's where you'd be! Because there'd be naff all to eat!"

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Post #14 Nov 6 2008, 07:11 PM Taceo
Nothing gives us courage more readily than the desire to avoid looking like a damn fool.


Sometimes there is no darker place than our thoughts, the moonless midnight of the mind.


The hands of every clock are shears, trimming us away scrap by scrap, and every time piece with a digital readout blinks us towards implosion.



It's all Dean Koontz.
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Post #15 Nov 6 2008, 07:41 PM Flak
"Wooden wings aren't as flexible as feathered ones."

- ME.
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Post #16 Nov 6 2008, 07:53 PM Taceo
Very nice.



We are hypocrisy, we are corruption, and we are the people that inhabit the dark alley ways. When we step into the light, we show what we really are, and it's not a pretty picture.

-me


*this probably makes no sense to anyone but me, but it has a meaning.
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Post #17 Nov 6 2008, 07:58 PM Flak
That makes perfect sense, silly.
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