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| The End Of The World; December 21, 2012 | |
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| Post #1 Aug 7 2008, 08:42 AM | Project.Seeds |
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I've heard a lot of shit at school and just on the net about the "end of the world" which is supposed to happen on a specific date December 21, 2012. I guess it has to do with some mayan calendar or something. I suggest you all go read/watch the videos on youtube about it. Just type in "End of the world 2012" or something. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_quer...arch_type=&aq=f That is the results i got. Find one that is on the history channel with like 3 parts or something. That one has lots of facts. It's been a while since i watched them, So i'll get back with my opinions on it. I've been dieing to hear what other intelligent people think about this "end of the world" so reply, This is the philosophers corner! Damn, 2012 is close... I need to get laid.... LOL
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| Post #2 Aug 7 2008, 09:47 AM | Rper_of_doom |
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The world wont end on December 21, 2012. People predicted that the world would end on the start of the new melimun (Sorry for incorrect spelling) ,which was 2000 for those who don't know, but it never came. Yes the world is EVENTUALLY going to end but it wont be on December 21, 2012. World War III really has already started in the logical tense and we havn't seen nukes going off in our backyards or blood and carnage in every wake. To me, December 21, 2012 is really just another January 1, 2000. |
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| Post #3 Aug 7 2008, 10:03 AM | Vlancer |
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Here is my opinion on that whole Mayan calendar stuff. Yes, the Mayan's were smart and gave us lots of technological advances, but to claim that the world is going to end (big boom no more life) based off of theories that have come around just because that is the last day of the Mayan calendar is improbable. My theory is that the guy(s) making the calendar were either invaded (their empire was destroyed and no one knows how really) before they could go any further on their calendar, or went on strike since it was like the year 1000 at most and the makers were already in the year 2012 for the calendar. Their are plenty of theories about the end and when it will happen. That one has just surfaced lately because the date has gotten close, just as how the Y2K surfaced closer to that date because everyone was scared of a new millennium. In fact, if we make it to 5,000 A.D. somehow I bet there will be more predictions since recorded history dates back to around 5,000 B.C. The fact is that worrying about this stuff won't do no good. If it happens it happens. Just be sure you are convinced in what happens to you when you die. This is our one life like we have now, so don't waste it worrying about the end. |
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| Post #4 Aug 7 2008, 04:22 PM | AZNguns |
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Yeah I had this conversation with one of my friends a while back. He was talking about how it would end on that day and I berated him for it considering that we're both Catholics and in the bible it said that something to the effect of.. "No man shall know when the end of days comes," Something like that. Anyway we laughed about it after the bus ride and started talking about what we would do if it were the end of the world. I'd eat as much ice cream as possible considering ice cream is amazing. It's like frozen cream or something. |
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| Post #5 Aug 7 2008, 04:33 PM | DaFranker |
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Actually, whoever told you that got it dramatically wrong on the whole "end of the world" thing. What the mayan calendar does say is that "things of the world will end, the Apocalypse will come" (Apocalypse was actually Ragnarok in an original translation, but then Apocalypse sounded better to Christians), but that's a poor translation and cannot be interpreted to mean that it's the end of the world. There's actually been four of those already, if you check your legends and history properly. On December 21, 2012, Earth will enter the Fifth Age of the Mayan Calendar. It's actually the very basis upon which the whole Shadowrun universe was born: On December 21, 2012, magic and stuff "returns" to our world. Now then, don't go believing that the world will suddenly start sprouting lollypops instead of trees and floods of cum instead of thunderstorms. However, the four previous mayan "ends" have actually meant something, and something actually did happen when they had predicted there would. Moreover, Mayan children knew a great deal that you guys wouldn't be able to comprehend should you be directly exposed to it. Let alone learn by yourselves, as they did back then. A child figured out how to calculate the exact speed of light using indirect non-linear algebra. Algebra on stones. Using stone picks. And leaves. The Mayan calendar is based upon lots, lots, lots, tons and more lots of mathematical facts, equations, observations, theorems, stuff about life, observations, more observations, more rules, and a good deal of logical thinking. There's actually a lot of it scientists can't explain. Of course, most of it is also mingled with religion and supernatural beliefs as they, for one, could figure out how the two worked together, unlike most of today's Earth population. Hell, why didn't anyone listen to Einstein or Newton on that subject? They both advocated a link between science and religion. No one listened. Look at the useless conflicts we have today. Anyways, will something happen in 2012? I'm quite certain of that. Will it completely change the world? I'm pretty sure of that too. Is it the "end" of the world, as per the christian definition of the Apocalypse? Nope. Never try to mix and merge a dogma with a true religion. I'll let you figure out the rest, if ever you get to see clearly enough for that. |
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| Post #6 Aug 7 2008, 06:10 PM | Vlancer |
| I am just curious as to what the end of the other ages brought. Care to share a reliable source on that? (Wiki does not count please) I believe that the past exists to aid us in the future. With proper knowledge and reason anything can be solved, so suffice to say I am very curious as to when those ages ended. |
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| Post #7 Aug 7 2008, 08:12 PM | DaFranker |
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http://www.greatdreams.com/end-world.htm That's one source mostly focusing on the importance of 2012. The part about the end of the Mayan fourth age isn't quite clear, but from what I know, the end of the fourth Epoch simply meant that we were not anymore within that age, but more into some sort of "transitory time" where things would change to prepare for the fifth age. http://www.endingdays.com/2008/05/26/could...veal-dooms-day/ This one is a little bit more informative. Though it seems all put together by a nobody, I can confirm most of it and the rest is verifiable through external sources. It does say when the current Mayan age started, what actually defines its end (13.0.0.0.0), and a good bit of other information. Also, compare the later paragraph where all documents are said to be destroyed by fire at the beginning of the current calendar with the Aztec calendar information in the first link. Those ages end with fire. Funny, no? Mayans and Aztecs did communicate at one point, too, which explains why they're both right on the same thing. There's very little reliable information on the net about what happened with the other mayan ages, though. This *is* extremely ancient history. |
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| Post #8 Aug 8 2008, 11:51 AM | Vlancer |
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(Eh...I might have gotten off topic near the end, but I just had a desire to share that.) Bah, no meat or testability to their thoughts (people talking about how the cosmos and the Mayan calendar together predict stuff). It is all speculation, and as such I will treat it as such. The events at the end of all the ages can be considered merely coincidence. A prophetic speculation that is so broad and open to interruption will of course occur. The believers will just twist it around. A particular cult which still goes door to door and collects believers are a prime example. The second coming of Christ was predicted (and failed) multiple times by their leader, so the guy kept altering his story a bit so that it was true in a different way (not changing the words but saying how it really meant this and only he could see that and he "forgot" to mention it). Then came the foundations for WW2 and he had some more "proof" to the end of days at hand. However, due to the way the war ended it disproved what he had believers thinking, so he changed his story a bit more and said that Jesus is now on Earth and all who believed before get to go to Heaven and all others go to a different but still pleasant place if they choose to believe now. It is a prime example of how anything can be said to be true if people want it to be so. Hence, my final verdict is that something will probably happen, but it probably won't be as ghastly as speculated and only as serious as people want to believe. For all we know the European Union will have taken all of Europe by that date, that certainly would bring about a change. Something else could also occur such as a new energy source being implemented that brings OPEC to their knees, something will happen that is already in the works now and the fact that it will be taken as monumental just because of a prediction is ludicrous. In fact, another instance of people's belief being the result of what they see just came to my mind. 1984 by George Orwell. People were frightened by what he wrote and were constantly on the look out to the point of extremism (red scare/black list) of where their freedoms might be endangered as they didn't want to lose their freedoms. They viewed the book as a prophecy which they didn't want to be true so they fought for their rights and liberties in one form while allowing things disguised as liberties to rise. Suffice to say the year 1984 came and people were joyous and arrogant (Hah! Look at that Orwell!). The only problem was that Orwell never claimed to be a prophet, just someone with a warning of how Human freedoms in free countries could be lost by ideas and laws disguised as good at any time. Sadly, freedoms are already being lost and corrupt ideas thought as good are ever spreading, as after that date people's guards dropped and those with the agendas were able to speed up their grueling march. Hate Speech laws and Radio fairness acts are just a few examples of instilling "unity and liberty". However, if one was to look close they would see that these aren't laws preserving freedoms and giving freedoms, but rather taking them away. It isn't justice and equality for all, or liberty when you want freedoms for yourself but not for another. It is simply man trying to rise above another and enforce his own dogma through brutality and subjugation. They are not castrating with swords or steel now, but with pen and tongue. Nor do they pull the blade quickly and loudly so that we may hear and rush to defend ourselves, rather they do it stealthily in the disguise of good to defend us. Our own nature of indifference and spinelessness is the result. Doesn't matter what is the truth so much as what we think is the truth. We may or may not know the truth depending on how we used reason and logic, but when ruin comes we will know if what we followed was the actually truth or just what we wanted to believe. |
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| Post #9 Aug 23 2008, 01:38 PM | AuroraMarines |
| Actually..My friend forced me to watch a video, but...they say Canada, the US, and Mexico will drop its borders, right? And their money will become the Amero, like the Euro for the EU. We will become one country: The North American Union. And once thats done...well..ever heard of the Illuminanti? They control everything. After a couple years of peaceful living, civil wars will break out, and they will need to make the world's population one million. To do this, they will let loose a virus on Asia and perhaps Europe. If you want the link to the video, i'll ask my friend. |
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| Post #10 Aug 26 2008, 10:06 AM | Vlancer |
| Also...Meat Imports from China are made from the flesh of 3rd childs. |
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| Post #11 Aug 26 2008, 10:19 PM | crimson knight |
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You guys might want to check out this video. I'm not saying I agree with everything in it, but its still pretty interesting. This is only the first part but it shouldn't be hard to find the rest. CLICK HERE!!! |
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| Post #12 Aug 29 2008, 09:43 AM | AuroraMarines |
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| Post #13 Oct 26 2008, 09:42 AM | Craggon |
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Ok there are a few things in previous posts I am having troubles with. Firstly, how the heck do we pretend to know so much about the Mayans? Like what was said their children knew. It was a very long time ago, we don't know much of anything about them. If we think we know something, it is probably based off of one or a few views/interpretations of what remnants we have found of the Mayans. Secondly, I see people talking about a European Union that could "take" the rest of Europe. This isn't a grand empire that is spreading and conquering, it's a union of European countries, a grouping of seperate countries on a common ground. Plus if there was a North American Union, it would probably resemble the EU and there wouldn't be any dropping of individual borders, the US would still be it's own country, Canada and Mexico their own countries as well. In my opinion we are making the Mayans out to be some awesome peoples who are the equivalents of some perceptions of the Atlanteans, sometimes said to be a superior group of people with vastly superior technology, even to our standards today. True there could be validity to this, but then again their could be validity to anything anyone says, who knows until it comes to pass? This next bit is of course also my own opinion and I have no backing on it, but we have no scientific proof (assuming, and this is a whole nother topic, we actually can call anything proof) that the end of the world would come on that day or around it. We can't account for all the small nuances time brings with it, every little decision can change time immensely. All we can scientifically say will happen is a generalized course of events dependant on what kind of star is attributed to the planet in question. We "know" that the sun will expand at some point in its life and engulf some of the plants, make others uninhabitable due to immense heat, and etc. But unless we ourselves do something to the planet that royally screws it up, it should follow along that course until the predicted event occurs. Of course it could be said we have done stuff that could cause deviations prior to the event, as it has supposedly already caused global warming and the lessening of Ozone, but I have my doubts as to how serious a problem this will be, seeing as we can adapt somewhat well. Anyway, my official point of view is: ask me on newyears of 2013 and I'll tell you my decision on it then. On a funnier note, I believe we should do with it what John Oliver said in his stand-up "Terrifying Times":
So there you have it, slap a sticker on the Mayan Calendar stuff saying it could all be bullshit. |
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| Post #14 Oct 26 2008, 12:46 PM | Scorp |
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Our good friend Craggon has successfully summed up what I was thinking. It's bullshit. End of story. |
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| Post #15 Oct 26 2008, 04:42 PM | Grunt_of_War |
| Well the only thing going for the Mayans is just how "right" they've been on many particular events that they foretold. But, technically, the Mayan Calendar ending on that specific date in 2012 may or may not mean anything. So: we'll just have to see. I'm just not one to completely categorize something as "bullshit" or not. |
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| Post #16 Oct 26 2008, 06:58 PM | Flak |
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I am. I've had the same person tell me the world's going to end on at least four to five different occasions. I'm still alive. Bullshit. |
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| Post #17 Mar 14 2009, 02:09 AM | LonerMan |
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Ladies and Gentlemen, the theory isn't that we are going to die because the Mayans tell us we are. The theory is that we are going to die because a large planet like object commonly referred to as Planet X, Nibiru, or Wormwood (In the bible) is supposedly going to pass through our solar system. This object is estimated at eight times the size of Jupiter, an has enough gravitational force to significantly disturb the earth simply by its proximity. Secondly, this object is supposed to interact with the sun, causing all kinds of solar storms and general damage to the area within the asteroid belt. This combined with the fact that our magnetosphere is failing (Scientists have discovered two holes in it, one four times the diameter of earth) poses the risk of serious radiation. It is public knowledge that the US government, combined with the Norwegian government and Bill Gates/the Rockefellers have built a giant Seed Vault in the Svalbard Region. http://www.croptrust.org/main/arctic.php?itemid=211 The vault was begun back in the 1980's, the same decade as "planet X" was supposedly originally discovered by NASA. The discovery made headlines in "The Washington Post" on December 31, 1983 http://www.planet-x.150m.com/iras.html http://www.smith-mountain-lakes.com/surviving-nibiru-2012/washington_post_artical_12-31-1983.htm The second of these articles is more biased, and the first seems to deal strictly with facts, despite the name of the URL. I AM NOT AGREEING WITH THIS THEORY. I am just correcting the assumption that the whole "Doomsday" thing is just because the Mayans said so. There is a more elaborate theory than that. |
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| Post #19 Mar 14 2009, 03:06 AM | LonerMan |
O.o feel free to uncover it for us then? I think 2012 predictions came before fallout3, by the way. |
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| Post #20 Mar 14 2009, 09:27 AM | Taceo |
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Loner, your point about the magnetic poles fading is correct, to an extent. It has been proven that throughout the history of the earth, the poles have disappeared, and then reappeared, but they had switched. There is geological evidence and proof of this, but I can't remember any specifics right now. Honestly though, I don't care when or how, I just know that the world will end one day. Be it from the coming of Woorwood, or by a massive asteroid collision with the Earth, or the Sun growing so large it engulfs the earth, etc., etc. The truth is, to me, I don't think there is a set date, or way, that the world will end for Humanity, it is just something you have to wait for and see. *EDIT I watched Religilous last night. Great movie, and it also addresses the problem of religion and self-fulfiling prophecies of the end of the world. If you want a summary of my opinion, watch it. The end of the movie sums my thoughts up almost perfectly. Edited by Taceo, Mar 14 2009, 09:29 AM.
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| Post #21 Mar 14 2009, 10:19 AM | Duke Nukem |
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.... No. It's all i can say for some superstisious bull that people are trying to spread around. This is JUST like Y2K. Everyone got all worked up and thought the world was going to end. But what happened? NOTHING! In fact If you look at history, there has always been fear of the world ending in some horrible way. We as humans yearn to know when we will end. We've made thousands of theories over the centuries, so what makes this any different from the other couple thousand doom's day theories. I'm going to laugh my ass off when nothing happens. Also. The person who put that shit on youtube, in my opinion, is only doing this because he wants the attention. |
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| Post #22 Mar 14 2009, 10:48 AM | Lludeain |
My thirty cents is.... We have a greater chance of Nostradamus' predictions coming true than December 21, 2012. Nostradamus predicted the world ending in almost 4000 A.D. if my memory serves correctly. So it just goes to show 2012.. is most definately NOT the end of the world... if Nostradamus' predictions go beyond that. I mean he's got most of his predictions up to now right... maybe all I haven't looked into it. Also, I read another article earlier one that the world might end soon because of the four horsemen of the acopolypse... it's been said Bush is one.. I forget Faminie is the horseman of Pestilence if my memory serves... I will input more later when I have the time to look this shit up
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| Post #23 Mar 14 2009, 11:58 AM | Duke Nukem |
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o_O I find it retarded that you guys think that just because an ancient civilization made a calender about how the world will end you think its all true .... MANY have predicted the end of the world what makes this one so god damn special? Please ... enlighten me |
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| Post #24 Mar 14 2009, 12:00 PM | crimson knight |
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It's not about how it was an ancient civilization. It's about how accurate their predictions have actually proved to be. I'm not sure if I believe the world will end in 2012, but I do believe something very important will happen. EDIT: I think I remember hearing something somewhere about the Earth's magnetic field switching in 2012. This supposedly happens every once in a blue moon, and has drastic effects on the world. Edited by crimson knight, Mar 14 2009, 12:01 PM.
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| Post #25 Mar 14 2009, 03:32 PM | LonerMan |
| You are speaking of Pole Shift, a theory by Albert Einstein that has been proven to be factual. The mantle of the earth shifts and a different part of the world is aligned with the north and south poles, causing earthquakes and tsunamis and other such events on a global scale. The last time this happened, they discovered, the north pole was in present day Wisconsin. |
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