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| Post #1 Feb 28 2009, 06:57 PM | Duke Nukem |
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I'm a man that strong ideas about science rather than putting all my hope into something that may or may not exist. With science you can prove things. With faith you can not really prove things or disprove things. I think that religion has many flaws. One of the flaws is that people have beliefs rather than strong ideas. Its harder to change a belief rather than change an idea. Which do you think strongly about? *no screwin' off in this one please* |
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| Post #2 Feb 28 2009, 06:59 PM | Scorp |
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Science. Evolution has been proven over and over again. Christianity and all other religions are full of hypocrisy and false deities. I'm sorry to offend anyone, but it's pretty clear to me what's the truth. Now, that's not to say that nature itself isn't a mystery... What created the universe in the first place? That's way beyond me. What I know is false is that dinosaurs and humans co-existed, and that all life on Earth started... is it 10000 years ago? Whatever, doesn't matter. Reason for me. |
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| Post #3 Feb 28 2009, 07:02 PM | AkiraAsphyxia |
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I am an atheist. As I see it, religion in general is something people came up with in order to explain natural occurrences. Science can be proven. Religion cannot. I like the things I believe in to be able to be tangible and actually have logical reasoning behind them. |
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| Post #4 Feb 28 2009, 07:04 PM | Grunt_of_War |
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There are valid points for both sides, actually, but I think we have a topic like this elsewhere in this forum (or at least we used to). DaFranker probably covered them all, anyways. But personally, I have to agree with Scorp that Science just seems a more plausible choice than Religion. Ideology and belief, after all, doesn't exist without man. Note: If that phrase sounds familiar, it's because Flak used the phrase "God doesn't exist without Man" on his AIM profile. Of course, his is a more defined example than mine, but I don't think I can explicitly say that since I'm not wholly doubtful of God's existence. I think He can exist, yes, but not from all the ways He's depicted in the Bible. |
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| Post #5 Feb 28 2009, 07:07 PM | Duke Nukem |
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Alright i can understand where everyone is coming from with either faith or science but I am not an atheist. I am merely agnostic. That means i do not really care about which is right or which is wrong. I figured i woul let you guys fight over it while i watched and tried to think of things to counter you guys. Yes science can be proven but has science proved everything? No it has not Faith is a device to keep people from going out and doing stupid things. Many have strong beliefs on faith but I can not say i believe in it. If you wish to find true answers try to be neutral about this and approach it with a neutral attitude like I am. |
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| Post #6 Feb 28 2009, 07:28 PM | Scorp |
How so? As far as I'm concerned, people look to faith for a lot of bad purposes. You can be as terrible as you want as a Christian, simply apologize for your sins, and wabam, you're back in Heaven. Not to mention how religion seems to be the most popular method of starting wars ever. The Crusades were started by religion (sparked by religion, I mean, they weren't actually fought over religion), and a lot of conflicts in the Middle East are fought over religion. |
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| Post #7 Feb 28 2009, 08:43 PM | Deleted User |
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I'd rather not be in this, but I'm agnostic. Giving off the fact that science can prove many things, but would a god(s) actually exist? I mean, science can't prove somethings that religion has made out of the bible and etc. What ever religion, they have gods. But does that really prove that the divine beings exist? Next to the fact that anyone in this religions will tell you that you're wrong if you're Atheist. I'm sorry if I'm being a troll, but either way. You can face the fracture of earth that WILL try to prove that it/they exist. While Science and Atheists will try to prove them wrong. Whether or not, we'll find out sooner or later. ^_^; Edit; also, has anyone noticed that fear provokes worship towards these divine beings? |
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| Post #8 Feb 28 2009, 09:33 PM | Duke Nukem |
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well I do not agree at all with atheists because being an atheist means you think that other people are idiots for believing in religion. I'm agnostic. That means I could care less and just want to get on with my life. Now i do have my own opinions but I'm not going to flat out say that Religion is wrong and that science is right because no one knows and in my own opinion we will never know because god's can not be proven to exists until after death where the dead can not speak to the living and tell them. |
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| Post #9 Feb 28 2009, 09:53 PM | AkiraAsphyxia |
Okay, like I said earlier, I'm an atheist. Atheism isn't thinking people who follow a religion are stupid for believing in what they do. Maybe some atheists do, but that's them. Breaking down the meanings of the various parts of the word "atheism" reveals that "a" means "not or without" and that "the" relates to "god." So, literally, "atheism" means "without god." I just don't believe that there's any sort of being or beings somewhere somehow existing serving as god(s) or goddess(es). |
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| Post #10 Feb 28 2009, 09:57 PM | Scorp |
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Duke's assumption is certainly naive, but not entirely untrue. A lot of atheists believe people are idiots for following their religion without question. To be honest, I'm one of them; this is not to say that I'm against worshiping a deity at all... Everything in moderation, and there's no reason you should not be able to question your morals and beliefs because someone tells you it's heresy. Period. |
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| Post #11 Feb 28 2009, 10:08 PM | crimson knight |
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| Post #12 Feb 28 2009, 10:31 PM | Scorp |
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| Post #13 Feb 28 2009, 10:33 PM | AkiraAsphyxia |
| *insert clip from Benny Benassi's "Satisfaction" here* |
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| Post #14 Feb 28 2009, 10:43 PM | Scorp |
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I love that song so much. Anyway, Crimson, post. |
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| Post #15 Feb 28 2009, 10:59 PM | crimson knight |
| Ok guys, since you really want to know here's what I believe. I believe that this world was created by God. However, I believe it is arrogant and foolish to believe that humans were created in His image. The evidence for evolution is very strong, and as a man of intellect I can see how it is a very possible thing. Science states that everything was created in the Big Bang and life evolved out of that. I also believe this. However, I believe that it is God that allows these things to happen. As of right now science can not explain why the Big Bang occurred. I believe it was God that caused it to happen. I also believe God is responsible for the original species on Earth. He made the perfect organism in that it was able to change according to its environment. Thus, evolution occurred as the Earth changed, and eventually humans resulted. We were lucky enough to be gifted with sentient thought. It is because of this I believe we should not be so closed minded as to think science and religion can not go together. |
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| Post #16 Feb 28 2009, 11:09 PM | Scorp |
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How hard was that? Now I see your views, and respect you just a little bit more for your open-mindedness. That's essentially what I was talking about earlier. Some things simply can't be rationalized, which is where the thought of a celestial being, or 'God' comes into play. My point is mainly that organized religion is a hoax designed to gain land and make money (this all began a very long time ago). |
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| Post #17 Feb 28 2009, 11:25 PM | Taceo |
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Science, all the way. To be honest here, I'm an atheist. I just can't force myself to believe in something that I don't fully understand. Sure the Bible explains what God is, and there is a bible-type book for every religion I'm pretty sure. My problem is, I cannot bring myself to trust a book, that claims these things, when it wasn't written till centuries after the events. Word of mouth was the original way to pass down knowledge, but words get twisted, meanings change, and once you get to a point where it can all be written down, who's to say it's the truth? Obviously, my main problems with religion are a doubtfulness as to the validity of biblical texts and an inability to believe in something I can't understand. My biggest problem with religion though, is the hypocrisy. Hypocrisy in religion just serves to increse my doubt in such people and their faiths. Another big problem with me is the people who keep trying to convert me. The religious believers tell me to repent for my sins, and all that good stuff, but honestly why? They sin, do they not, and they repent, for they have a concious mind that will kill them with guilt of their actions. That is their level of concious and what they think deserves to be repentance worthy. To be quiet honest, I haven't done anything I think is worthy of their 'repentance,' yet I 'sin' every day according to them. Honestly, if anyone who isn't of a certain denomination or religion, have;t you heard this hundreds of times before: "You're going to hell." I know I hear it a lot, and it just serves to push me away from religion. But what do I know, in their eyes? Nothing, to them I'm just an atheist going to hell in a handbasket. Ummm, yeah, ending that little rant now. |
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| Post #18 Mar 1 2009, 12:14 AM | InfernoTsunami |
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I would have to say neither Science nor Faith. Now, I'm one of those nuts with this sthing called a religion XD. Anyways... Both science and religion can't really exist or be proven. Science is all about observations, and faith about trusting and accepting. Examples/beliefs about each: If you walk out onto a baseball field and get his with a ball, you'll probably be more careful the next time, right? Well, we don't apply that to science, well, most of us don't. Our 'facts' are only as good as our method of testing and observing them. We could easily misinterpret results, and set that miscalculation as the basis of a whole school of thought, but it would all be wrong. The thing is, we wouldn't if it was or wasn't, since we had been misled the entire time. Faith is trusting in what you've been told. Hell, if we can't believe what we interpret with our own senses, just hearing of or reading about anything religious makes it completely unstable as a choice. Most people are going to choose science over faith because science can be 'proven' and 'accurate'. It isn't. Its what we've built out of our best guesses at questions. Meh, I don't like these questions much, they don't stimulate me philosophically enough for a long post... |
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| Post #19 Mar 1 2009, 12:26 AM | Duke Nukem |
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Alright guys you all have very interesting thoughts *mostly crimson* but i do not really care enough to take a side on this this is why i am agnostic rather than atheist. Someone said before in one of there posts that it is ok to worship a deity. If you mean a deity like a god then I will have to disagree. If we spend all our time worshiping then we get no where in life and for what? a place that may or may not exists? I just don't care sorry. We as a species make progress by learning and evolving. I feel that we need more thinkers rather than believers. We can progress as a species faster this way and truly find out this question when we have the technology to find out how the universe was created. Till that day I'm neutral |
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| Post #20 Mar 1 2009, 12:34 AM | Scorp |
First of all, your saying that pretty much goes against every bit of knowledge man has sought for since our existence. I get where you're coming from; we don't have enough evidence to be completely concrete about a lot of things... and that's somewhat true. But when you compare science to faith, it boils down to that; faith has absolutely zero evidence, aside from 'God made stuff'. Is it such a sin to use your head and think just for a few moments? Maybe try and contribute to science, rather than shunning it and thinking it inappropriate to be taught in schools because 'evolution is a theory?' (even though 'theory' suggests it's a fact, not just a hypothesis) Obviously, I'm not directing that flak at you, Gamenac, I'm just speaking my mind. |
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| Post #21 Mar 1 2009, 12:50 AM | Duke Nukem |
I love this topic it's a good debate topic i think I can see where everyone is coming from but many people believe in faith over science ... because in our world of sin today it is more likely your going to "hell" than heaven with all the sins that are committed today. |
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I'm no mere simple man. I am more than just a man, i am Duke Nukem. I succeed where you fail, i win where you lose, i achieve absolute victory where you suffer absolute humiliation. Let's just say ... I've got balls of steel. ![]() Don't you just love my siggy??? Compliment of RTMX. ![]() | |
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| Post #22 Mar 1 2009, 12:53 AM | crimson knight |
| Well we all know you're going to hell for brutally murdering the English language. |
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| Post #23 Mar 1 2009, 01:01 AM | Taceo |
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Lol Very nice, Crimson. ![]() I'm going to hell for: Swearing on a daily basis Using 'The Lord's' name in vain Blasphemy in general Sacrelige ( I doodled on a bible and then burned it.) (Hey, it was free) Lack of a Baptism I don't 'repent' or pray I've broken all but two of the ten commandments if I remember correctly There's some more stuff, but it's not like I'm 'The Devil' or anything. Yet they insist on me going to Hell, is it honestly that bad? |
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| Post #24 Mar 1 2009, 01:20 AM | Flak |
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NO! No, no, no! No! This topic is as plentiful as "Good Versus Evil." I'm fucking sick of it. I won't close this topic based on that truth alone, but... Sheesh. Let's try to aim for some originality, Hm? |
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| Post #25 Mar 1 2009, 03:51 AM | Duke Nukem |
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I'm going to hell for many reasons ... if it exists ... but not for bad grammar .... i'd go for many reasons ... like: daily mastur.... not going to finish that one taking the lord's name in vein every ten seconds swearing at kittens for being to cute kicking babies harassing the elderly challenging god and winning making fun of retarded people *i'm sorry but i can't help this one i have a problem I've broken every single commandment .... except the one about murder O_o and the wife thing I rubbed my cats face in a pile of its own feces that was in my room. I've convinced my dog that when i call him a worthless piece of shit that it is good. I make many upon many racist comments twords jews ... i don't hate them i just love making fun of them ![]() I .... i believe that is it O_o Oh yea I also urinated in holy water .... I was struck with lightning for that one. |
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