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Debate: Palestine or Israel?
Topic Started: Dec 30 2004, 05:25 PM (1,578 Views)
Shaheer
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oh wtf, that's why the hatred is so big? That's a bad mistake then to see israel taking that iniative to actually invade another country and murder citizens. No wonder Palestine has civilians that fight the military.
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They've been fighting over the land for a lot longer than 1948. That's simply when Isreal became an official state.


Click here for a brief history on the conflict. (It's actually not that brief)
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to me, its all about politics, i believe no one should get it, its just a waste of money, isreal is just spenind money just to get that pieace of land and innocent people are dying, and the palenstines are doing the suicide attack which they SAY their doing it for islam and its right, but in islam, that whole theory they made up doesnt even exist
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Dec 30 2004, 06:28 PM
oh wtf, that's why the hatred is so big? That's a bad mistake then to see israel taking that iniative to actually invade another country and murder citizens. No wonder Palestine has civilians that fight the military.

Well its deeper than that.

You see, During World War II, Britain seized Palestine and said they'll give it back after the war, but for some stupid reason they also promised the land to the jews because of the holocaust. It was Palestine though. Anyways, after the war, Britain didnt do anything about the jews, and let them go into Palestine with all the muslims. Well, its the Palestinians' homeland, why should they share it? War broke out and the US supported Israel and they are sending them guns and tanks and everything, while really, almost no one supports Palestine. Wanna know what they are fighting with? ROCKS! Its guns and tanks vs Rocks, with the exception of the morons doing the suicide bombings.

Oh, and The first war was in 1948, get your facts straight ;). And, if you dont know yet, I'm for Palestine 100% and I've been at almost every rally we have had here. We also had something very interesting here called a Die-In. We all go to an area and we have a huge rally, and some of us yell out like we are Israelis with guns and shoot the Palestinians with rocks (all acting ofcourse) and we fall down on the floor and pretend we are dead. It doesnt seem that effective, but trust me, when you see 400 people on the floor faking they are dead from the Israelis it is a very effective thing. Also, I did get in a huge arguement with a jewish woman who was for Israel that came and tried to attack me, lol.

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and may i ask what your background is?
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Dec 30 2004, 07:31 PM
and may i ask what your background is?

European, why?

I do have MANY Palestinians that are my friends, though. But I supported Palestine before I knew them.
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oh just wondering im pakistani, and yeah i think the whole thing is not good.. been going for a long time
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56 years.. soon to be 57. But that's completely idiotic to see USA helping out Israel. they have no authority to decide who gets the land.
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yea the whole issue over land is horrible. Land may be something worthwile to a country (resources) but going to war is stupid.
Just like India and Pakistan over Kashmir or Some conflicts with USSR with small countries, there should be some treaty to stop the violence.

And I agree wtih you, i'll side with palestinians. USA has no reason to help out israeli's. I don't like this man vs tank idea.
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Yea, and not only that. If you ever want to search up information about it, dont search in American Websites! They side with the Israelis.

For example:

In the news, they show suicide bombings killing barely any Israelis, but do they show Israelis with tanks running OVER Palestinian civilians? NO. Do they show the tanks running over Palestinian civilians' homes? NO. Do they show them stoning the Palestinian civilians to death? NO. Do they show them torturing them? NO.

Trust me, there will be many people who are going to try to tell you that Israel is the right one, but take it from someone who HAS BEEN THERE. I went to Palestinian and saw the frontlines were they fight. The Palestinian children are sitting here throwing rocks at the tanks when they are shooting them with guns and everything. I saw the hospitals and everything. It is terrible...
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Yea I've seen on the news some times of children throwing rocks at tanks. it's certainly a horrific site but it takes courage to actually go against a tank. If we see children on tv fighting for their nation, you know their is chaos throughout that land.
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i remember one news report where a palestine dad got shot cuz he saved his son, that almost made me cry
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Dec 30 2004, 10:50 PM
i remember one news report where a palestine dad got shot cuz he saved his son, that almost made me cry

Yep, I know that story. THis is it:

A man went with his son to buy some grocery. The Israelis began shooting them and the dad tried hiding behind a trash can to save them. They kept shooting, so he covering himself over his son and he was shot four times. Really sad...
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Dec 31 2004, 04:40 AM
NO. Do they show the tanks running over Palestinian civilians' homes? NO. Do they show them stoning the Palestinian civilians to death? NO. Do they show them torturing them? NO.

well.......thats actually wrong......ive seen at least 1 news report showing israeli bulldozers running over homes in refugee camps.......hav u evr seen the crowds in palestine? they carry guns........lots of ak's..........ak's r not rocks.........plesae learn to distuingish the two.........and if israel evr..........and i mean EVR tortured palestinians.....well they couldnt afford this war as the us gives....(gives thats rite gives) the israelis weapons so that they can wage the war probably since the israelis seem to be a much more peaceful people rather than your beloved palestinains and there are far greater trade possibilities with a modern people than a sub-modern (3rd world if u will) anti-american people.....the lovely palestinians have activelly LOVED arafat for sayig no to the us ad israel ad is believed to help fund and chair (im not sure that thats the rite word but w/e) terrorist groups. (y did u think he was holed up in his 1/2 demolished compund for years?) now although the palesinians do deserve land theres no hope of them EVR getting jerusalaem so keep dreaming.....hoever i do believe that they should be allowed the gaza strip and the west bank.......i DO NOT believe that israel should tear down the wall cause even wen peace comes thers gunna be ALOT of pissed off palestinians but i do believe for economic and humanitarian reasons (u heard rite.....the israeli ppl have been active in humanitarian stuff and have been for quite a while..... i think it would be VERY unstable which is y an arab league not including iran (not iran cause a huge majority of the western world will be real pissed wen that happens which would severly limit huminatarian (especially governmental) efforts and trade as the western world is without a doubt where the money is at in the world markets.......the israleis should also have a mandatory dismantling of thier military by 1/20 within 1 year AFTER a peace treaty has been signed....after 3 years by 1/15 again.....after 5 years 1/15 again.....10 years after a peace treaty is signed the isreaeli military (not including counterinteeligence) must be reduced by at least 1/4 of its original size on the day such a treaty is signed.......(israel can not start rapidlly disbanding its military before sucha a peace agreement to lessen the impact on its military. if it should do so it would recieve no oil related products from either asia or africa and no weapon based products from australia, north america or europe. furthermore the us would not be allowed to give any more weaponsd to the israelis through itself or third parties.... if the us did its president would automatically resign along with top cabinet ministers (im not sure if thats wat they're called) along with top senate officials. all terrorist groups/terrorist groups would have to be disbanded within 2 years whether it be voluntarilly of forcibally i dont care AFTER peace agreement......(the un should decide which groups are terrorists/terrorist affilaited).......hmmmmmm....about the two years thing....that 2 year limit should start after the un has made its decision so its fair for the palestinians....former terrorists may join army ranks given that they're not high ranking officials (high ranking officials should be put on a type of parole and also be tried as criminals (if it is warranted))

i don think ive left anything out..if i have post wat it is and hopefully ill get bak within a moth or so.........lol well 2 weeks but no promises there............
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the return of "theberlinwall" where have you been? That sounds like you.

but I side with the palestinians. Yea the children don't have AK's because the older use them. And it's not to go and start shooting random israeli's, it's to defend when tanks come in there area.

I've seen on the news countless of times of children going face to face with tanks. And look at israel, it's in much better condition then palestine. Why? Because palestinians can't have tanks because their economy isn't as high. Solving this wouldn't be so easy, because both sides won't back down but as "tag" stated, palestinians will be pissed when israeli's take the land beause they've been fighting for a long time.
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