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Debate: Palestine or Israel?
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Topic Started: Dec 30 2004, 05:25 PM (1,577 Views)
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Dec 31 2004, 10:55 AM
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NO. Do they show the tanks running over Palestinian civilians' homes? NO. Do they show them stoning the Palestinian civilians to death? NO. Do they show them torturing them? NO.
well.......thats actually wrong......ive seen at least 1 news report showing israeli bulldozers running over homes in refugee camps.......hav u evr seen the crowds in palestine? they carry guns........lots of ak's..........ak's r not rocks.........plesae learn to distuingish the two.........and if israel evr..........and i mean EVR tortured palestinians.....well they couldnt afford this war as the us gives....(gives thats rite gives) the israelis weapons so that they can wage the war probably since the israelis seem to be a much more peaceful people rather than your beloved palestinains and there are far greater trade possibilities with a modern people than a sub-modern (3rd world if u will) anti-american people.....the lovely palestinians have activelly LOVED arafat for sayig no to the us ad israel ad is believed to help fund and chair (im not sure that thats the rite word but w/e) terrorist groups. (y did u think he was holed up in his 1/2 demolished compund for years?) now although the palesinians do deserve land theres no hope of them EVR getting jerusalaem so keep dreaming.....hoever i do believe that they should be allowed the gaza strip and the west bank.......i DO NOT believe that israel should tear down the wall cause even wen peace comes thers gunna be ALOT of pissed off palestinians but i do believe for economic and humanitarian reasons (u heard rite.....the israeli ppl have been active in humanitarian stuff and have been for quite a while..... i think it would be VERY unstable which is y an arab league not including iran (not iran cause a huge majority of the western world will be real pissed wen that happens which would severly limit huminatarian (especially governmental) efforts and trade as the western world is without a doubt where the money is at in the world markets.......the israleis should also have a mandatory dismantling of thier military by 1/20 within 1 year AFTER a peace treaty has been signed....after 3 years by 1/15 again.....after 5 years 1/15 again.....10 years after a peace treaty is signed the isreaeli military (not including counterinteeligence) must be reduced by at least 1/4 of its original size on the day such a treaty is signed.......(israel can not start rapidlly disbanding its military before sucha a peace agreement to lessen the impact on its military. if it should do so it would recieve no oil related products from either asia or africa and no weapon based products from australia, north america or europe. furthermore the us would not be allowed to give any more weaponsd to the israelis through itself or third parties.... if the us did its president would automatically resign along with top cabinet ministers (im not sure if thats wat they're called) along with top senate officials. all terrorist groups/terrorist groups would have to be disbanded within 2 years whether it be voluntarilly of forcibally i dont care AFTER peace agreement......(the un should decide which groups are terrorists/terrorist affilaited).......hmmmmmm....about the two years thing....that 2 year limit should start after the un has made its decision so its fair for the palestinians....former terrorists may join army ranks given that they're not high ranking officials (high ranking officials should be put on a type of parole and also be tried as criminals (if it is warranted)) i don think ive left anything out..if i have post wat it is and hopefully ill get bak within a moth or so.........lol well 2 weeks but no promises there............
Sorry, but you are the one of the most close-minded, selfish, arrogant fool I'd ever have to debate with. You have absolutely no idea what the fuck is going on in that country, but you watch the news to see. Listen, this is fucking LOGIC. Don't you think the US would show whats happening TO the Israelis rather than what the Israelis are DOING. HELLO! They are supporting Israel and they want this whole country to support them as well!
And you must be fucking kidding me if you think the Israelis behave more like humans. Listen to what I am about the say and tell me if that is fucking more like a human:
Do humans gather other humans, blind-fold them, tie them to the street then run the over with the tanks?! Do humans take a man away from his family to somewhere far away, and began beating him with stones until he is dead?! Do humans take their precious tanks and just go and run over houses, demolishing them, while the people are living inside there?! Do humans throw little packages to Palestinian children so they will think its a present and open it to discover it is a bomb exploding their guts out of them?! Do humans see a man going to the supermarket with his son to buy groceries a threat so that they have to kill him, leaving his son alone?! Do humans see children with little pebbles threats that they have to kill them? Tell me, If a little child was on the street throwing a pebble or a small rock at you, while you had ARMOR on, would you pull out a machine gun and shoot him right there in front of you? Is that humanitarian?
And yes, some Palestinians do carry little guns but what does that help against tanks and machine guns and bombs. Yes, some Palestinians do carry bombs, but here is another logics lesson. Don't you fucking think if they Palestinians care so much about their country they are willing to take their own life that they are the ones in trouble? If you don't understand that, then you must be extremely ignorant. And remember, Ignorance is bliss. Besides, the suicide bombings have really just began starting a few years ago, while the Israelis have been carrying bombs and guns and tanks since when? Here's your homework go to a website and find that out.
Listen, to the part of the Palestinians carrying guns. Do you understand that a Palestinian man is so much dedicated to saving his family that he bends his knee and ties barbwire from above his ankle to about his knee. Why you ask? because then he will sit there, very unable to stand up from the barbwire. So he will not be able to run anway from the Israelis. And he will hold his gun and just try to shoot them away from his home when they are coming in tanks and with bombs and stuff. And if he succeeds killing them all, his wife will finally notice him there and run with some things to untie the barbwire and he will go on living. But do you want to know how many of them succeeded? 0.
So basically let me rephrase that thing about guns vs rocks.
This is what it really is: Guns, Tanks, and Bombs VS Shitty Guns, and rocks.
Better?
And by the way, US didn't support them because of your bullshit that "they seemed like they were going to win", or whatever the hell you said.
Obviously, US don't like muslims as it has been shown a million times and I guess youre just some selfish guy who also doesn't like muslims as you have insulted them so many times in what you wrote. Listen, they have different customs, different backround, many things are different. So if they are different we must hate them, right? I mean, everyone HAS to be the same in this world. Otherwise, we kill the different ones right? Well, two things are wrong with that. First of all, the theory isnt everyone has to be the same, because jews and christians and hindus and buddhists and whatnot get along fine together. But The real theory is "NO MUSLIMS! KILL THEM ALL!" right? The second thing wrong with that is obviously that you shouldn't want everyone to be the same. We are all different whether we are the same religion or not.
I hope you are seeing my point here. The African-Americans also had a hard time, but now they are fine, thanks to inspirational speakers like Malcolm X and MLK jr. Maybe the muslims need an inspirational speaker. And no, I'm not talking about that shit Osama Bin Laden. Another thing you people don't understand is that Osama Bin Laden is NOT liked by muslims all over the world at ALL! So they should be distinguished! Learn to distinguish those two, you stubborn idiot.
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Dec 31 2004, 11:23 AM
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this topic is the most fast paced one ever in this forum. But this is a good debate.
I've read in the "time' magazine of a Palestinian man being killed because he tried to save his son. That's sick and horrid. What kind of fight is this? It's like USA and Iraq. Israeli has all the weapons and Palestine is fighting by using anything that can harm a person. It's unfair and inhumane. The best thing to do is just give the land to russia or something so they both can stop fighting but like someone said above, they will be pissed. It's really hard to explain what will happen in the future between these two countries but it's not going to get any better.
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Dec 31 2004, 05:03 PM
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Yea Israel actually Occupies some of Palestine. Palestinians are getting pushed back, that's why they're fighting back. If I was in there position, I'd do the exact same thing. I don't want my neighbours to take over my country. And WTF does USA has to do with this? They have no part in helping out Israeli's. It's unfair because no other countries can't do nothing about it because USA has so much power. The palestinians are slowly being opressed by the israeli's that it's getting sick now. Even though i'm American, I feel that this is a sickening choice for my goverment to make. Israel gets clean water Palestine gets no water Israel has swimming pools Palestine has nothing leisure Israel has tanks Palestine has rocks Israel has more economy then Palestine Israel has houses Palestine has rubble
I think the UN should do something
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Dec 31 2004, 05:04 PM
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Oh yea and even when Palestine tries to live in a good life, terrorism is always there. On the news, they showed a part of Gaza (city in Palestine) and they were having their own "American Idol" and there was these 2 singers. When people were watching on the TV of their idols, it turned to a terrorism broadcast and there were these guys in masks saying to attack the israeli's and they showed shocking footage to the little kids.
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Dec 31 2004, 05:25 PM
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never knew it was that bad
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Dec 31 2004, 07:14 PM
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Palastinians deserve that land, Jews r fucking gay
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Dec 31 2004, 07:17 PM
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Im suspending you for two days for disrespecting ^... you just ruined the debate
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Jan 2 2005, 12:42 PM
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NO. Do they show the tanks running over Palestinian civilians' homes? NO. Do they show them stoning the Palestinian civilians to death? NO. Do they show them torturing them? NO.
well.......thats actually wrong......ive seen at least 1 news report showing israeli bulldozers running over homes in refugee camps.......hav u evr seen the crowds in palestine? they carry guns........lots of ak's..........ak's r not rocks.........plesae learn to distuingish the two.........and if israel evr..........and i mean EVR tortured palestinians.....well they couldnt afford this war as the us gives....(gives thats rite gives) the israelis weapons so that they can wage the war probably since the israelis seem to be a much more peaceful people rather than your beloved palestinains and there are far greater trade possibilities with a modern people than a sub-modern (3rd world if u will) anti-american people.....the lovely palestinians have activelly LOVED arafat for sayig no to the us ad israel ad is believed to help fund and chair (im not sure that thats the rite word but w/e) terrorist groups. (y did u think he was holed up in his 1/2 demolished compund for years?) now although the palesinians do deserve land theres no hope of them EVR getting jerusalaem so keep dreaming.....hoever i do believe that they should be allowed the gaza strip and the west bank.......i DO NOT believe that israel should tear down the wall cause even wen peace comes thers gunna be ALOT of pissed off palestinians but i do believe for economic and humanitarian reasons (u heard rite.....the israeli ppl have been active in humanitarian stuff and have been for quite a while..... i think it would be VERY unstable which is y an arab league not including iran (not iran cause a huge majority of the western world will be real pissed wen that happens which would severly limit huminatarian (especially governmental) efforts and trade as the western world is without a doubt where the money is at in the world markets.......the israleis should also have a mandatory dismantling of thier military by 1/20 within 1 year AFTER a peace treaty has been signed....after 3 years by 1/15 again.....after 5 years 1/15 again.....10 years after a peace treaty is signed the isreaeli military (not including counterinteeligence) must be reduced by at least 1/4 of its original size on the day such a treaty is signed.......(israel can not start rapidlly disbanding its military before sucha a peace agreement to lessen the impact on its military. if it should do so it would recieve no oil related products from either asia or africa and no weapon based products from australia, north america or europe. furthermore the us would not be allowed to give any more weaponsd to the israelis through itself or third parties.... if the us did its president would automatically resign along with top cabinet ministers (im not sure if thats wat they're called) along with top senate officials. all terrorist groups/terrorist groups would have to be disbanded within 2 years whether it be voluntarilly of forcibally i dont care AFTER peace agreement......(the un should decide which groups are terrorists/terrorist affilaited).......hmmmmmm....about the two years thing....that 2 year limit should start after the un has made its decision so its fair for the palestinians....former terrorists may join army ranks given that they're not high ranking officials (high ranking officials should be put on a type of parole and also be tried as criminals (if it is warranted)) i don think ive left anything out..if i have post wat it is and hopefully ill get bak within a moth or so.........lol well 2 weeks but no promises there............
Sorry, but you are the one of the most close-minded, selfish, arrogant fool I'd ever have to debate with. You have absolutely no idea what the fuck is going on in that country, but you watch the news to see. Listen, this is fucking LOGIC. Don't you think the US would show whats happening TO the Israelis rather than what the Israelis are DOING. HELLO! They are supporting Israel and they want this whole country to support them as well! And you must be fucking kidding me if you think the Israelis behave more like humans. Listen to what I am about the say and till me if that is fucking more like a human: Do humans gather other humans, blind-fold them, tie them to the street then run the over with the tanks?! Do humans take a man away from his family to somewhere far away, and began beating him with stones until he is dead?! Do humans take their precious tanks and just go and run over houses, demolishing them, while the people are living inside there?! Do humans throw little packages to Palestinian children so they will think its a present and open it to discover it is a bomb exploding their guts out of them?! Do humans see a man going to the supermarket with his son to buy grocery's a threat so that they have to kill him, leaving his son alone?! Do humans see children with little pebbles threats that they have to kill them? Tell me, If a little child was on the street throwing a pebble or a small rock at you, while you had ARMOR on, would you pull out a machine gun and shoot him right there in front of you? Is that humanitarian? And yes, some Palestinians do carry little guns but what does that help against tanks and machine guns and bombs. Yes, some Palestinians do carry bombs, but here is another logics lesson. Don't you fucking think if they Palestinians care so much about their country they are willing to take their own life that they are the ones in trouble? If you don't understand that, then you must be extremely ignorant. And remember, Ignorance is bliss. Besides, the suicide bombings have really just began starting a few years ago, while the Israelis have been carrying bombs and guns and tanks since when? Here's your homework go to a website and find that out. Listen, to the part of the Palestinians carrying guns. Do you understand that a Palestinian man is so much dedicated to saving his family that he bends his knee and ties barbwire from above his ankle to about his knee. Why you ask? because then he will sit there, very unable to stand up from the barbwire. So he will not be able to run anway from the Israelis. And he will hold his gun and just try to shoot them away from his home when they are coming in tanks and with bombs and stuff. And if he succeeds killing them all, his wife will finally notice him there and run with some things to untie the barbwire and he will go on living. But do you want to know how many of them succeeded? 0. So basically let me rephrase that thing about guns vs rocks. This is what it really is: Guns, Tanks, and Bombs VS Shitty Guns, and rocks. Better? And by the way, US didn't support them because of your bullshit that "they seemed like they were going to win", or whatever the hell you said. Obviously, US don't like muslims as it has been shown a million times and I guess youre just some selfish guy who also doesn't like muslims as you have insulted them so many times in what you wrote. Listen, they have different customs, different backround, many things are different. So if they are different we must hate them, right? I mean, everyone HAS to be the same in this world. Otherwise, we kill the different ones right? Well, two things are wrong with that. First of all, the theory isnt everyone has to be the same, because jews and christians and hindus and buddhists and whatnot get along fine together. But The real theory is "NO MUSLIMS! KILL THEM ALL!" right? The second thing wrong with that is obviously that you shouldn't want everyone to be the same. We are all different whether we are the same religion or not. I hope you are seeing my point here. The African-Americans also had a hard time, but now they are fine, thanks to inspirational speakers like Malcolm X and MLK jr. Maybe the muslims need an inspirational speaker. And no, I'm not talking about that shit Osama Bin Laden. Another thing you people don't understand is that Osama Bin Laden is NOT liked by muslims all over the world at ALL! So they shouldn't even be distinguished!
Zelos is right. Tag you obviously are one minded and by the looks of it, you don't know your facts about Palestine and Israel.
Yasser Arafat was like a god to the palestine hopefully this upcoming election can turn around the situation.
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I read in a article in the paper that israeli's bulldozed a palestinian house because they didn't have a building permit. There was a picture of a 4 yr old walking through his collapsed house with a stuffed teddy bear in his hand. That's sad :(
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Jan 2 2005, 02:29 PM
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Also Israeli is saying for Palestinina militants to stop attacking Israeli's or more action will be pursued. But those militants are defending their country. The palestinian people cooly said "we don't need people dictating things for us." It was somethign like that
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Jan 2 2005, 04:15 PM
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NO. Do they show the tanks running over Palestinian civilians' homes? NO. Do they show them stoning the Palestinian civilians to death? NO. Do they show them torturing them? NO.
well.......thats actually wrong......ive seen at least 1 news report showing israeli bulldozers running over homes in refugee camps.......hav u evr seen the crowds in palestine? they carry guns........lots of ak's..........ak's r not rocks.........plesae learn to distuingish the two.........and if israel evr..........and i mean EVR tortured palestinians.....well they couldnt afford this war as the us gives....(gives thats rite gives) the israelis weapons so that they can wage the war probably since the israelis seem to be a much more peaceful people rather than your beloved palestinains and there are far greater trade possibilities with a modern people than a sub-modern (3rd world if u will) anti-american people.....the lovely palestinians have activelly LOVED arafat for sayig no to the us ad israel ad is believed to help fund and chair (im not sure that thats the rite word but w/e) terrorist groups. (y did u think he was holed up in his 1/2 demolished compund for years?) now although the palesinians do deserve land theres no hope of them EVR getting jerusalaem so keep dreaming.....hoever i do believe that they should be allowed the gaza strip and the west bank.......i DO NOT believe that israel should tear down the wall cause even wen peace comes thers gunna be ALOT of pissed off palestinians but i do believe for economic and humanitarian reasons (u heard rite.....the israeli ppl have been active in humanitarian stuff and have been for quite a while..... i think it would be VERY unstable which is y an arab league not including iran (not iran cause a huge majority of the western world will be real pissed wen that happens which would severly limit huminatarian (especially governmental) efforts and trade as the western world is without a doubt where the money is at in the world markets.......the israleis should also have a mandatory dismantling of thier military by 1/20 within 1 year AFTER a peace treaty has been signed....after 3 years by 1/15 again.....after 5 years 1/15 again.....10 years after a peace treaty is signed the isreaeli military (not including counterinteeligence) must be reduced by at least 1/4 of its original size on the day such a treaty is signed.......(israel can not start rapidlly disbanding its military before sucha a peace agreement to lessen the impact on its military. if it should do so it would recieve no oil related products from either asia or africa and no weapon based products from australia, north america or europe. furthermore the us would not be allowed to give any more weaponsd to the israelis through itself or third parties.... if the us did its president would automatically resign along with top cabinet ministers (im not sure if thats wat they're called) along with top senate officials. all terrorist groups/terrorist groups would have to be disbanded within 2 years whether it be voluntarilly of forcibally i dont care AFTER peace agreement......(the un should decide which groups are terrorists/terrorist affilaited).......hmmmmmm....about the two years thing....that 2 year limit should start after the un has made its decision so its fair for the palestinians....former terrorists may join army ranks given that they're not high ranking officials (high ranking officials should be put on a type of parole and also be tried as criminals (if it is warranted)) i don think ive left anything out..if i have post wat it is and hopefully ill get bak within a moth or so.........lol well 2 weeks but no promises there............
First of all,
A) Israeli's have M4's and Tanks and many more machine guns. What do Palestinians have? Mabe a few Ak's with few bullets. They can't match Israeli's army. B) I've seen many video's of Children throwing Rocks at tanks. It takes guts and this is what is happening in the middle east. Read in the paper, there is atleast 1 article on Palestine Israel. It's always "20 palestinians die" "Tank blows up house" "Children murdered" "Gaza being taken over"
First of all, why is Israeli's in Gaza city? That's a palestinian city. Why is Israeli building on Palestinian ground? Why is US involved in this? Why doesn't UN do anything about this? How come innocent people have to die just over land and many of those people just want peace. Why do innocent people have to be involved in major conflicts? What brown$ound said was wrong, because it has nothing to do with religion. The lower intellectuals may say jews vs muslims but it's not. This is far beyond that. This conflict has been going on for years. It's about dominance. It's no longer about land. Israeli's are pushing Palestinians back, that's why they carry around Ak's. To fight back. With Yasser Arafat gone, Palestine has a new chance. With the election this week or next week, a new face will emerge as leader and guide Palestine to peace. We can hope for that.
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I'm not completely one sided because Israel has there reason to be in Palestine. It's not completely on taking over another country. There's more to it. I know people wouldn't let that be going on without realizing the situation. If Israel was taking over Palestine wouldn't another country intervene?
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What will the new elections accomplish? Even if there was a new person in charge, Palestine would be pushed in the same direction and more violence will ensue
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Jan 3 2005, 06:31 PM
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I'm not completely one sided because Israel has there reason to be in Palestine. It's not completely on taking over another country. There's more to it. I know people wouldn't let that be going on without realizing the situation. If Israel was taking over Palestine wouldn't another country intervene?
Whats the reason for them being there? Do you have one, or are you just trying to act like you're smart?
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Jan 4 2005, 08:23 PM
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he always try acting smart. that homo
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