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Debate: Palestine or Israel?
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Topic Started: Dec 30 2004, 05:25 PM (1,576 Views)
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Rambo
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Jan 5 2005, 10:29 PM
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- Zelos77
- Dec 31 2004, 10:55 AM
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NO. Do they show the tanks running over Palestinian civilians' homes? NO. Do they show them stoning the Palestinian civilians to death? NO. Do they show them torturing them? NO.
well.......thats actually wrong......ive seen at least 1 news report showing israeli bulldozers running over homes in refugee camps.......hav u evr seen the crowds in palestine? they carry guns........lots of ak's..........ak's r not rocks.........plesae learn to distuingish the two.........and if israel evr..........and i mean EVR tortured palestinians.....well they couldnt afford this war as the us gives....(gives thats rite gives) the israelis weapons so that they can wage the war probably since the israelis seem to be a much more peaceful people rather than your beloved palestinains and there are far greater trade possibilities with a modern people than a sub-modern (3rd world if u will) anti-american people.....the lovely palestinians have activelly LOVED arafat for sayig no to the us ad israel ad is believed to help fund and chair (im not sure that thats the rite word but w/e) terrorist groups. (y did u think he was holed up in his 1/2 demolished compund for years?) now although the palesinians do deserve land theres no hope of them EVR getting jerusalaem so keep dreaming.....hoever i do believe that they should be allowed the gaza strip and the west bank.......i DO NOT believe that israel should tear down the wall cause even wen peace comes thers gunna be ALOT of pissed off palestinians but i do believe for economic and humanitarian reasons (u heard rite.....the israeli ppl have been active in humanitarian stuff and have been for quite a while..... i think it would be VERY unstable which is y an arab league not including iran (not iran cause a huge majority of the western world will be real pissed wen that happens which would severly limit huminatarian (especially governmental) efforts and trade as the western world is without a doubt where the money is at in the world markets.......the israleis should also have a mandatory dismantling of thier military by 1/20 within 1 year AFTER a peace treaty has been signed....after 3 years by 1/15 again.....after 5 years 1/15 again.....10 years after a peace treaty is signed the isreaeli military (not including counterinteeligence) must be reduced by at least 1/4 of its original size on the day such a treaty is signed.......(israel can not start rapidlly disbanding its military before sucha a peace agreement to lessen the impact on its military. if it should do so it would recieve no oil related products from either asia or africa and no weapon based products from australia, north america or europe. furthermore the us would not be allowed to give any more weaponsd to the israelis through itself or third parties.... if the us did its president would automatically resign along with top cabinet ministers (im not sure if thats wat they're called) along with top senate officials. all terrorist groups/terrorist groups would have to be disbanded within 2 years whether it be voluntarilly of forcibally i dont care AFTER peace agreement......(the un should decide which groups are terrorists/terrorist affilaited).......hmmmmmm....about the two years thing....that 2 year limit should start after the un has made its decision so its fair for the palestinians....former terrorists may join army ranks given that they're not high ranking officials (high ranking officials should be put on a type of parole and also be tried as criminals (if it is warranted)) i don think ive left anything out..if i have post wat it is and hopefully ill get bak within a moth or so.........lol well 2 weeks but no promises there............
Sorry, but you are the one of the most close-minded, selfish, arrogant fool I'd ever have to debate with. You have absolutely no idea what the fuck is going on in that country, but you watch the news to see. Listen, this is fucking LOGIC. Don't you think the US would show whats happening TO the Israelis rather than what the Israelis are DOING. HELLO! They are supporting Israel and they want this whole country to support them as well! And you must be fucking kidding me if you think the Israelis behave more like humans. Listen to what I am about the say and tell me if that is fucking more like a human: Do humans gather other humans, blind-fold them, tie them to the street then run the over with the tanks?! Do humans take a man away from his family to somewhere far away, and began beating him with stones until he is dead?! Do humans take their precious tanks and just go and run over houses, demolishing them, while the people are living inside there?! Do humans throw little packages to Palestinian children so they will think its a present and open it to discover it is a bomb exploding their guts out of them?! Do humans see a man going to the supermarket with his son to buy groceries a threat so that they have to kill him, leaving his son alone?! Do humans see children with little pebbles threats that they have to kill them? Tell me, If a little child was on the street throwing a pebble or a small rock at you, while you had ARMOR on, would you pull out a machine gun and shoot him right there in front of you? Is that humanitarian? And yes, some Palestinians do carry little guns but what does that help against tanks and machine guns and bombs. Yes, some Palestinians do carry bombs, but here is another logics lesson. Don't you fucking think if they Palestinians care so much about their country they are willing to take their own life that they are the ones in trouble? If you don't understand that, then you must be extremely ignorant. And remember, Ignorance is bliss. Besides, the suicide bombings have really just began starting a few years ago, while the Israelis have been carrying bombs and guns and tanks since when? Here's your homework go to a website and find that out. Listen, to the part of the Palestinians carrying guns. Do you understand that a Palestinian man is so much dedicated to saving his family that he bends his knee and ties barbwire from above his ankle to about his knee. Why you ask? because then he will sit there, very unable to stand up from the barbwire. So he will not be able to run anway from the Israelis. And he will hold his gun and just try to shoot them away from his home when they are coming in tanks and with bombs and stuff. And if he succeeds killing them all, his wife will finally notice him there and run with some things to untie the barbwire and he will go on living. But do you want to know how many of them succeeded? 0. So basically let me rephrase that thing about guns vs rocks. This is what it really is: Guns, Tanks, and Bombs VS Shitty Guns, and rocks. Better? And by the way, US didn't support them because of your bullshit that "they seemed like they were going to win", or whatever the hell you said. Obviously, US don't like muslims as it has been shown a million times and I guess youre just some selfish guy who also doesn't like muslims as you have insulted them so many times in what you wrote. Listen, they have different customs, different backround, many things are different. So if they are different we must hate them, right? I mean, everyone HAS to be the same in this world. Otherwise, we kill the different ones right? Well, two things are wrong with that. First of all, the theory isnt everyone has to be the same, because jews and christians and hindus and buddhists and whatnot get along fine together. But The real theory is "NO MUSLIMS! KILL THEM ALL!" right? The second thing wrong with that is obviously that you shouldn't want everyone to be the same. We are all different whether we are the same religion or not. I hope you are seeing my point here. The African-Americans also had a hard time, but now they are fine, thanks to inspirational speakers like Malcolm X and MLK jr. Maybe the muslims need an inspirational speaker. And no, I'm not talking about that shit Osama Bin Laden. Another thing you people don't understand is that Osama Bin Laden is NOT liked by muslims all over the world at ALL! So they should be distinguished! Learn to distinguish those two, you stubborn idiot.
I think that America is involved because that Palestine is a muslim country cough cough. USA hates muslims with a passion. They invade their country, take their wealth and leave them to die. That's what happend in Afghanistan. America just takes their natural gas and export it to Their country. Same with Iraq... Oil! If Israeli gets Palestine USA can benefit from that. They have ties with Israeli and they can get more exports from that country. Palestine however doesn't export anything to USA because look at their country. It's war torn.
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Jan 7 2005, 10:54 PM
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your right. But it's more of the muslim issue, America hates them. Right now they're trying to clear up the image by helping out to thailand which is a good thing but we have to recognize what they are doing in iraq and palestine.
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Jan 9 2005, 11:50 AM
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theres a jewsish kid in my math class named vlad and everyone makes fun of him for being a jew
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Jan 9 2005, 07:28 PM
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That's just wrong.
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Jan 11 2005, 04:30 PM
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theres a jewsish kid in my math class named vlad and everyone makes fun of him for being a jew
that's very racist. I think whoever makes fun of that kid because of nationality is ignorant. If you partook in that childish situation you should be ashamed of yourself.
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Jan 11 2005, 05:57 PM
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- Jan 9 2005, 11:50 AM
theres a jewsish kid in my math class named vlad and everyone makes fun of him for being a jew
that's very racist. I think whoever makes fun of that kid because of nationality is ignorant. If you partook in that childish situation you should be ashamed of yourself.
Well how can someone make the assumption that the kid who is jewish is from Israel? What's wrong with jews? it's just people who follow a religion.
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Zelos77
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Jan 12 2005, 03:01 PM
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Yea, you shouldn't have made that comment. Actually, I know a lot of jews who are for Palestine! Never judge someone like that.
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Jan 12 2005, 05:16 PM
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yea that was a very rude comment on this forum because as Zelos77 said, there are palestinians who are of the jewish religion.
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Jan 14 2005, 03:46 PM
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I'm a Christian and from my stand point and some info i have from the Bible, Israel originally owned the land. But they were conquered by this other nation and all the citizens of Israel were moved to that particualr nation. When the Israelies went back to their own land years later. They found it inhabitated by other people (palestines). Israel fought to get back their land and did get most of it back. But when they saw that the enemy had some better stuff (i.e chariots) they chickend out and just said we're fine with what land we got. That's my interpretation of the history.
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Jan 14 2005, 08:04 PM
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I'm a Christian and from my stand point and some info i have from the Bible, Israel originally owned the land. But they were conquered by this other nation and all the citizens of Israel were moved to that particualr nation. When the Israelies went back to their own land years later. They found it inhabitated by other people (palestines). Israel fought to get back their land and did get most of it back. But when they saw that the enemy had some better stuff (i.e chariots) they chickend out and just said we're fine with what land we got. That's my interpretation of the history.
Well you're interpretation is the most retarded bullshit I have ever heard.
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Jan 14 2005, 11:35 PM
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lol no when people make fun of the jewish kid it actually is quite funny
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Jan 14 2005, 11:37 PM
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I'm a Christian and from my stand point and some info i have from the Bible, Israel originally owned the land. But they were conquered by this other nation and all the citizens of Israel were moved to that particualr nation. When the Israelies went back to their own land years later. They found it inhabitated by other people (palestines). Israel fought to get back their land and did get most of it back. But when they saw that the enemy had some better stuff (i.e chariots) they chickend out and just said we're fine with what land we got. That's my interpretation of the history.
Well you're interpretation is the most retarded bullshit I have ever heard.
hahahahahaha bullshit thats funny
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Jan 15 2005, 08:21 AM
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lol no when people make fun of the jewish kid it actually is quite funny
hell, I admit it would be funny, but just think if it was you they were making fun of, what would you do?
See thats how I think of, unless its like someone I hate. Then I wouldn't mind kicking his ass.
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Jan 16 2005, 08:46 AM
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- Jan 14 2005, 11:35 PM
lol no when people make fun of the jewish kid it actually is quite funny
that's kinda mean to make fun of kids just because their a nationality. That's what happend in WWII when hitler killed a lot of jews and he only liked blue eyes and blonde people. It's discriminating without a basic reason.
Brownsound, what do you have against them?
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Jan 16 2005, 09:21 AM
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I'm a Christian and from my stand point and some info i have from the Bible, Israel originally owned the land. But they were conquered by this other nation and all the citizens of Israel were moved to that particualr nation. When the Israelies went back to their own land years later. They found it inhabitated by other people (palestines). Israel fought to get back their land and did get most of it back. But when they saw that the enemy had some better stuff (i.e chariots) they chickend out and just said we're fine with what land we got. That's my interpretation of the history.
palestinians had chariots back then? Now they have nothing. While before, the Israeli's had nothing and now they have tanks funded by the USA. Tanks vs Nothing= unfair this war= stupid.
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