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Drones and Nintendo are killing the industry.
Topic Started: Aug 2 2006, 10:42 AM (68 Views)
meowmixmaster
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you know there is something wrong with the handheld industry when you see non-games are the highest selling games, for example nintendogs (lol WTF?), Brain Age and some other gimmicky game.

But the ones to really blame are drones because they are the ones who encourage Nintendo to make these nongames.

god the industry is dying because no one buys real games anymore but nongames.
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agree
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Why so serious?
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I disagree because there are always games coming out that appeals to the casual fans as well. Nintendo is trying to bring in new gamers
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How are they killing the game industry if they're attracting non gamers?
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what are drones?
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how does brain age outsell everything

japanese ppl r the stupidest ppl in the fucking world
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Aug 3 2006, 04:50 AM
how does brain age outsell everything

japanese ppl r the stupidest ppl in the fucking world

Japanese market is different then North American market. Thats about it in a nut shell.

They're big JRPG fans and not into FPS's. They love games that require very little difficulty.

North AMerican gamers love FPS's.... not much into JRPG"s (I know we like em but casual gamers differ) They are too afraid to try innovative non games. Simple as that.

Otherwise it's mind boggling how people buy brain age about 60 000 units a week. Mario is acceptable because it's Mario but brain age?

And if u think Nintendo is killing the industry then you're

1) A tool
2) A bot
3) Hardcore Casual gamer that only cares about NCAA and NFL games
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Lol, all of you are fanboys. This makes an awesoem topic to read.
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Shaheer
Aug 2 2006, 09:59 PM
GuyLeBrown
Aug 3 2006, 04:50 AM
how does brain age outsell everything

japanese ppl r the stupidest ppl in the fucking world

Japanese market is different then North American market. Thats about it in a nut shell.

They're big JRPG fans and not into FPS's. They love games that require very little difficulty.

North AMerican gamers love FPS's.... not much into JRPG"s (I know we like em but casual gamers differ) They are too afraid to try innovative non games. Simple as that.

Otherwise it's mind boggling how people buy brain age about 60 000 units a week. Mario is acceptable because it's Mario but brain age?

And if u think Nintendo is killing the industry then you're

1) A tool
2) A bot
3) Hardcore Casual gamer that only cares about NCAA and NFL games

thats not true i know tons of ppl who play rpgs and "innovative games" but it just comes down to no one likes them as much as others

no ones afraid to try innovative games they just dont like them

this is where hardcore gamers r now lowering themselves to the status they hate by making such retarded assumptions like that
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GuyLeBrown
Aug 3 2006, 08:50 PM
Shaheer
Aug 2 2006, 09:59 PM
GuyLeBrown
Aug 3 2006, 04:50 AM
how does brain age outsell everything

japanese ppl r the stupidest ppl in the fucking world

Japanese market is different then North American market. Thats about it in a nut shell.

They're big JRPG fans and not into FPS's. They love games that require very little difficulty.

North AMerican gamers love FPS's.... not much into JRPG"s (I know we like em but casual gamers differ) They are too afraid to try innovative non games. Simple as that.

Otherwise it's mind boggling how people buy brain age about 60 000 units a week. Mario is acceptable because it's Mario but brain age?

And if u think Nintendo is killing the industry then you're

1) A tool
2) A bot
3) Hardcore Casual gamer that only cares about NCAA and NFL games

thats not true i know tons of ppl who play rpgs and "innovative games" but it just comes down to no one likes them as much as others

no ones afraid to try innovative games they just dont like them

this is where hardcore gamers r now lowering themselves to the status they hate by making such retarded assumptions like that

I meant to mean some innovative games. Every game is innovative in its own right but a portion of casual gamers will not be happy with quirky gimmicky features and will prefer to stick with their own genre preference.

North American gamers..... ok of course there is a portion that likes rpg's but in general, I don't see almost every gamer saying RPG's are the best thing. That's why JRPG's dont sell well compared to Japan. We sell fairly decent but not 5 million +. Panzer Dragoon Orta for example... JRPG that barely broke 100 000 on Xbox. Dragon Quest IX around 500 000.... in Japan its about 3 000 000. The only JRPG thats successful here is Final Fantasy and Gameboy Titles. Even the Tales series were meh here. Symphonia only did good cuz the GC fanbase had no RPG's at all so they looked at TOS and bought it. Tales of Legendia..... couldn't even break 100 000 in USA.

Look at Japan, how many FPS's sell over there? Not too many. It's just a matter of preference. Just like how Casual gamers are different then Hardcore gamers. However Companies like Nintendo are trying to create some sort of middle ground so both gamers can enjoy different kinds of games.

SO like I said before

Nintendo is not killing the industry. Just enticing new people into the market. They're creating a new genre and non gamers are happy. Casual gamers are brought into the DS and possibly Wii while others just stick to normal convential gaming.
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no ones afraid to try innovative games they just dont like them


No one is afraid to try them its just that they dont want to try them. Big difference between teh two. If they wanted to try them then they'd pretty much pick up a DS right now and get some games that fully utilize the touch screen or pick up a game on a console that has the wierdest gameplay. Instead they don't and they choose to stick to normal games.

this is where hardcore gamers r now lowering themselves to the status they hate by making such retarded assumptions like that

Not really an assumption when there's actually truth to it. I dont see your normal gamer going to go play brain age. SO there's truth to Shaheer's statement.
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no ones afraid to try innovative games they just dont like them


No one is afraid to try them its just that they dont want to try them. Big difference between teh two. If they wanted to try them then they'd pretty much pick up a DS right now and get some games that fully utilize the touch screen or pick up a game on a console that has the wierdest gameplay. Instead they don't and they choose to stick to normal games.

this is where hardcore gamers r now lowering themselves to the status they hate by making such retarded assumptions like that

Not really an assumption when there's actually truth to it. I dont see your normal gamer going to go play brain age. SO there's truth to Shaheer's statement.

u dont see them PLAYING it cuz they have PLAYED it and think its a joke

trust me tons of ppl have played brain age casual and hardcore alike and ppl dont see any point to it

i no lots of casual gamers who have played that kirby game where u gotta draw the paths and crap and they dont like that either

it is an assumption casual gamers rnt different from us at all cept they play less than we do

hardcore gamers can say well we like rpgs a lot more than casual gamers cuz there too ignorant to japanese style games

THATS NOT TRUE AT ALL

casual gamers love zelda and final fantasy and theyve all grown up with everything nintendo threw at them and every rpg japan threw onto the playstation but everyone has different tastes

im a hardcore gamer and id rather go online on halo 2 or counter-strike than play final fantasy or play around with a touch screen anyday
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You're thinking completely different

ALL OF U R WRONG

first we need to define what hardcore/casual/normal gamer.

Shaheer: Opinions. U forgot Casual gamers are all over the place. THEY LIKE EVERYTHING. They have no biased

+_+: On the right track but not exactly there

Guylebrown: your thinking normal gamers.



Here's my definitions


Casual Gamer: Gamer who says "PS2 rocks because it has GTA"
"Final Fantasy Boredom" "RPG's gay cuz its turnbased' "LOL LOOK I'm shooting at people and its fun" that's a casual gamer.

Normal Gamer: Normal gamers are what guylebrown is mentioning. They are not casual gamers. Don't mix up the two. These guys aren't afraid to try something innovative but htey don't go out of bounds like the hardcore gamers. They just play games, if its fun its fun. Ok.. Thats what ur talking about

Hardcore gamers: about 1/4 of gamers are hardcore gamers. These guys are a just step up. They're guys who know a lot about gaming, and sadly most fanboys besdies casual gamers are located here.



so you see

Casual are the guys kinda like Shaheer said "Mindless guys playing NFL games on 360" he didnt say it but thats a perfect definition. These guys dont give a shit about anything innovative in that matter.

People really differentiate gamers to just Casual/Hardcore but really there has to be a normal gamer and thats what Guylebrown was aiming at.

So in all, this should help.
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Aug 3 2006, 06:03 PM
WOA WOA WOA


You're thinking completely different

ALL OF U R WRONG

first we need to define what hardcore/casual/normal gamer.

Shaheer: Opinions. U forgot Casual gamers are all over the place. THEY LIKE EVERYTHING. They have no biased

+_+: On the right track but not exactly there

Guylebrown: your thinking normal gamers.



Here's my definitions


Casual Gamer: Gamer who says "PS2 rocks because it has GTA"
"Final Fantasy Boredom" "RPG's gay cuz its turnbased' "LOL LOOK I'm shooting at people and its fun" that's a casual gamer.

Normal Gamer: Normal gamers are what guylebrown is mentioning. They are not casual gamers. Don't mix up the two. These guys aren't afraid to try something innovative but htey don't go out of bounds like the hardcore gamers. They just play games, if its fun its fun. Ok.. Thats what ur talking about

Hardcore gamers: about 1/4 of gamers are hardcore gamers. These guys are a just step up. They're guys who know a lot about gaming, and sadly most fanboys besdies casual gamers are located here.



so you see

Casual are the guys kinda like Shaheer said "Mindless guys playing NFL games on 360" he didnt say it but thats a perfect definition. These guys dont give a shit about anything innovative in that matter.

People really differentiate gamers to just Casual/Hardcore but really there has to be a normal gamer and thats what Guylebrown was aiming at.

So in all, this should help.

Finally an argument topic in the videogames forum! It looks like we're having trouble differentiating between Casual gamer and Hardcore gamer. Neji said it right you forgot about normal gamers but a lot of people do.

You see, Casual gamers is how Shaheer depicted them to be. However thats the general notion behind Casual gamers and there are many people who actually follow that belief. There is some truth in his statements but like Guylebrown was arguing, not all people are like that. So a good question is, "How do we classify the difference between Casual gamers? What are casual gamers?"

Neji also brought up a point, with what casual gamers are. Not necessarily true though. They don't favor FPS's over RPG's. That's justu a overused phrase. In North America "Gamers prefer First Person Shooters over RPG's" Thats a better statement to follow because in reality it's true. It doesn't mean Casual gamers hate RPG"s its just that in general they prefer other genres.

Like Shaheer said in Japan its completely different. But it still follows the same rules but you flip RPG's and FPS's apart. It's because FPS's are fairly new to the market and hasn't had that edge in Japan in all these years since Japanese developers don't develop to that genre as much. Does it mean Casual gamers in Japan hate FPS's? Not at all! They just prefer RPG's over.

Guylebrown stated something about Brain Age. The whole Notion of the Nintendo DS is to play games differently. Everyone should know that by now. It's not meant to compete with the PSP. In reality, Brain Age is just like every DS game. It's something different. It doesn't matter who's playing a DS game, it's considered different. Therefore Casual gamers and Hardcore gamers do not apply to anything when playing the DS. It's something meant for everybody.

The term "Casual" is something only referred to "Console" gaming.
Don't ever try and use it in handheld gaming because that'll result in something like you've just seen in the posts above.
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Aug 2 2006, 09:50 PM
how does brain age outsell everything

japanese ppl r the stupidest ppl in the fucking world

It's because Nintendo DS is the big thing in Japan. People are familar with the same types of genres and are accustomed to them for a period of time. Then a new genre is created adding for a lot of innovation and a lot of new experiences for the gamer. It's been said that Japan is lacking behind North America because there's a lack of diversity in the gaming itself. Gamers are more subjected to the same genre instead of having to play all types of others. Therefore Brain Age went successful in Japan.

Also if you didn't know Brain Age was the #2 in USA for 3 weeks.
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